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MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:42 pm
by klm617
Could we ever see commercial service at one of these airports for those who live Northeast of the city. Both PTK and PHN had service by North Central and then after that by a couple of commuter airlines. MTC would be great for an Allegiant type operation but don't know if they'd ever get access to use that field.

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 12:19 am
by DLPMMM
klm617 wrote:
Could we ever see commercial service at one of these airports for those who live Northeast of the city. Both PTK and PHN had service by North Central and then after that by a couple of commuter airlines. MTC would be great for an Allegiant type operation but don't know if they'd ever get access to use that field.


What City?

We have no idea what you are talking about.

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Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 12:26 am
by YouGeeElWhy
DLPMMM wrote:
What City?
THE city. Man this site has such casuals these days.

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 12:52 am
by 910A
klm617 wrote:
Could we ever see commercial service at one of these airports for those who live Northeast of the city. Both PTK and PHN had service by North Central and then after that by a couple of commuter airlines. MTC would be great for an Allegiant type operation but don't know if they'd ever get access to use that field.


In simple terms the answer is NO..

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 1:21 am
by tb727
I highly doubt it. I don't think PHN is big enough for anything, MTC is a good spot for east siders of Detroit but I don't think it would be enough draw for Allegiant and I also don't ever see it being a joint use airport. PTK is kind of limited with space. They would just be throwing money away trying any other metro area airports because I don't think anything outside of DTW would last long term.

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Wed May 01, 2019 2:34 am
by MO11
klm617 wrote:
Could we ever see commercial service at one of these airports for those who live Northeast of the city. Both PTK and PHN had service by North Central and then after that by a couple of commuter airlines. MTC would be great for an Allegiant type operation but don't know if they'd ever get access to use that field.


Pontiac is a Class IV airport, so its certificate would have to be upgraded. The other two have no FAR 139 certification, so they would have to spend money to go through the entire process.

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 2:30 am
by WA707atMSP
MO11 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Could we ever see commercial service at one of these airports for those who live Northeast of the city. Both PTK and PHN had service by North Central and then after that by a couple of commuter airlines. MTC would be great for an Allegiant type operation but don't know if they'd ever get access to use that field.


Pontiac is a Class IV airport, so its certificate would have to be upgraded. The other two have no FAR 139 certification, so they would have to spend money to go through the entire process.


Another problem with PTK is ground access. Six years ago, I flew Lakeshore Express' short lived PTK-MDW flight, mainly to log PTK. Although the Detroit suburb of Birmingham is closer to PTK than it is to DTW, the drive from Birmingham to PTK was almost as long (on a Sunday afternoon) as it would have been from Birmingham to DTW, because M-59 from Telegraph Road to PTK has so many stoplights.

45 years ago, there were plans to turn M-59 into a full freeway from downtown Pontiac to I-96, which would have resulted in a very quick drive from Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills to PTK. However, these plans were dropped in the mid 1970s at the same time the planned northern extension of I-275 from Novi to Clarkston, and the extension of the Lodge Freeway northwest to connect with the northern extension of I-275, were dropped.

I don't think commercial air service to PTK will happen unless it's accompanied by major improvements to M-59, and M-59 upgrades will not happen for a VERY long time, if ever.

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 5:28 am
by FlyingElvii
If I recall, Northwest ran a couple of DTW-Pontiac trips a day in the 90’s with a DC-9-10 for the automaker traffic. Went away during the first BK, if I remember correctly. Republic may have started it earlier than that.

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 10:54 am
by WA707atMSP
FlyingElvii wrote:
If I recall, Northwest ran a couple of DTW-Pontiac trips a day in the 90’s with a DC-9-10 for the automaker traffic. Went away during the first BK, if I remember correctly. Republic may have started it earlier than that.


PTK was never served by either Republic or Northwest. North Central did serve PTK as a stop on their Detroit (Willow Run) - Flint route, but suspended service at Pontiac in the early 1960s.

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 11:59 am
by klm617
There was an airline back in the mid 80's or early 90's that was suppose to start MDW-PTK flights with a Convair. I think there also was another city they were going to serve from PTK maybe CLE but it never materialized.

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 3:00 pm
by tjwgrr
klm617 wrote:
Could we ever see commercial service at one of these airports for those who live Northeast of the city. Both PTK and PHN had service by North Central and then after that by a couple of commuter airlines. MTC would be great for an Allegiant type operation but don't know if they'd ever get access to use that field.


No.

PHN longest runway is 5100 ft. FNT and DTW are each about an hour drive depending on traffic. Sarnia, ON (YZR) just across the river has AC Jazz DH8A flights to YYZ
MTC is a military field with no civilian ops
PTK as stated in posts above

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 4:28 pm
by zakuivcustom
Instead of thinking about those airports, they could have "easily" just Make Detroit City Airport Great Again anyway :duck: :duck:

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 4:38 pm
by drdisque
Oakland County who owns PTK has also expressly said that they have no interest in ever building a commercial terminal at PTK, even if an airline wanted to fly there.

Re: MTC, PHN and PTK

Posted: Fri May 03, 2019 7:33 pm
by klm617
drdisque wrote:
Oakland County who owns PTK has also expressly said that they have no interest in ever building a commercial terminal at PTK, even if an airline wanted to fly there.


I would say that that is the correct political position for the airport to have given the opposition to commercial service that the neighborhoods around the airport have.