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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:09 am

InThrustWeTrust wrote:
OY-VKH diverted from ARN/CPH to MAN...
Flightradar24.com


It was scheduled from ARN as a ferry flight; DK4994
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:11 am

Yes.Im sorry. I saw it now. Its a ferry fligt
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:36 am

So TCX should be well into the meeting now. Any idea how long these last an when we can expect an announcement?
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:40 am

That’s now at least two completely false statements that various people have posted here trying to fan and stir hysteria. So much for factual posts with hard evidence.....
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:55 am

Operations look normal, but then, the meeting has only started less than an hour ago.

I expect more news around midday, one way or the other. Even if they do get the additional £200m needed, which I feel is unlikely , they will burn through that in no time at all.

Again, consumer confidence is gone, the brand name is effectively worthless from a consumer perspective.
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:03 am

Skyblue39 wrote:
That’s now at least two completely false statements that various people have posted here trying to fan and stir hysteria. So much for factual posts with hard evidence.....



Skyblue39 - do you wish to enlighten us on which statements you believe are factually untrue ?
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:21 am

flyjay123 wrote:
Skyblue39 wrote:
That’s now at least two completely false statements that various people have posted here trying to fan and stir hysteria. So much for factual posts with hard evidence.....



Skyblue39 - do you wish to enlighten us on which statements you believe are factually untrue ?


People referring to “diversions” which were not true diversions at all. Trying to stoke fear and melodrama.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:37 am

Rumours now that MAS A380 9M-MNF is due into MAN at 1800 and 9H-MIP is in CDG. Not sure for definite if these rumours are true as they were on a Facebook page.
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:42 am

CWL757 wrote:
Rumours now that MAS A380 9M-MNF is due into MAN at 1800 and 9M-MIP is in CDG. Not sure for definite if these rumours are true as they were on a Facebook page.


Do you have a link, interested to follow.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:48 am

FCAFLYBOY wrote:
CWL757 wrote:
Rumours now that MAS A380 9M-MNF is due into MAN at 1800 and 9M-MIP is in CDG. Not sure for definite if these rumours are true as they were on a Facebook page.


Do you have a link, interested to follow.

Here you go- https://m.facebook.com/groups/481319115 ... ent_filter
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:52 am

Not seeing any live flights for Malaysian A380's that would match those arrival times...
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:59 am

by738 wrote:
Not seeing any live flights for Malaysian A380's that would match those arrival times...

I was thinking the same. There was a handling request for an A380 into MAN though so wether that will be the HiFly in CDG or a delayed MAS bird remains to be seen.
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:10 am

by738 wrote:
Not seeing any live flights for Malaysian A380's that would match those arrival times...


The MAS 380 is taxiing in KUL, destination N/A
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:19 am

by738 wrote:
Not seeing any live flights for Malaysian A380's that would match those arrival times...


Agree, if it was due in to MAN at 18:00L it would’ve been airborne hours ago.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:27 am

I wonder all the time why they should pull together a wetleased fleet at MAN or LGW if their intention is to repatriate people back TO the UK.
Can anyone help me understand?


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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:28 am

eagles94 wrote:
by738 wrote:
Not seeing any live flights for Malaysian A380's that would match those arrival times...


The MAS 380 is taxiing in KUL, destination N/A


Well it’s on it’s way somewhere as MH8490 which is clearly not a regular flight number, but as it’s 13 hours from KUL, not getting there by 6pm local time for sure. As I type running through 18,000ft.
Source: flightradar24 but can’t copy a link I am afraid.
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:29 am

VS4ever wrote:
eagles94 wrote:
by738 wrote:
Not seeing any live flights for Malaysian A380's that would match those arrival times...


The MAS 380 is taxiing in KUL, destination N/A


Well it’s on it’s way somewhere as MH8490 which is clearly not a regular flight number, but as it’s 13 hours from KUL, not getting there by 6pm local time for sure. As I type running through 18,000ft.
Source: flightradar24 but can’t copy a link I am afraid.


It’ll here to the U.K. for around midnight which unfortunately is “ideal” for the CAA. Let’s hope it’s off to do a hajj charter or something
 
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:53 am

Ryanair01 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Boeing74741R wrote:

A good conspiracy theory if it was true. It was undoubtedly due to the fact that there was an ATOL licence involved, so there was an obligation to provide repatriation flights regardless of the timing.


The "conspiracy" is that the brought ALL people home. Monarch sold a lot of seat only tickets (a lot more than TCX incidentally) and those passengers should not be repatriated by ATOL. I don't know about political interference but someone decided during the ZB collapse that trying to explain the subtleties of the ATOL scheme to distressed holiday makers yelling and/or crying at a TV crew in a foreign airport about how the government had stranded them was not worth the fight.


I gather the CAA felt it was impractical to sift through (especially at foreign ports) who was/wasn't entitled to repatriation. Their strategy was that in practice it was smoother to try and fly Monarch's schedule, at which point you've got the aircraft and the seats so you might as well fill them with stranded people.


I stand to be corrected, but I recall everyone who booked a Monarch flight on a flight-only basis under Greybull ownership received an ATOL certificate, so everyone was covered anyway whether they were on a package or not?
 
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Re: Updated: Thomas Cook Files for U.S. Bankruptcy Protection

Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:57 am

Boeing74741R wrote:
Ryanair01 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:

The "conspiracy" is that the brought ALL people home. Monarch sold a lot of seat only tickets (a lot more than TCX incidentally) and those passengers should not be repatriated by ATOL. I don't know about political interference but someone decided during the ZB collapse that trying to explain the subtleties of the ATOL scheme to distressed holiday makers yelling and/or crying at a TV crew in a foreign airport about how the government had stranded them was not worth the fight.


I gather the CAA felt it was impractical to sift through (especially at foreign ports) who was/wasn't entitled to repatriation. Their strategy was that in practice it was smoother to try and fly Monarch's schedule, at which point you've got the aircraft and the seats so you might as well fill them with stranded people.


I stand to be corrected, but I recall everyone who booked a Monarch flight on a flight-only basis under Greybull ownership received an ATOL certificate, so everyone was covered anyway whether they were on a package or not?


You’re right, Monarch did issue ATOL certificates under Greybull for flight only.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:03 am

From what I've read, after the meeting today, Cooks will decide tonight whether they are toast or successful in getting that extra dosh. They will need to be ready with an announcement for when the markets open in the morning. Unlikely they will decide or announce anything today until today's flying programme is complete ( as in their aircraft back in the UK )
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:09 am

bennett123 wrote:
Perhaps the hotel has ongoing problems getting money from Thomas Cook.

I have also heard a few times that these firms cut the hotels and other providers to the bone. The result is a distinct lack of goodwill.

This then likely seals the deal... who's going to want to stay there after this?
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:10 am

Are there still airtanker 330 in the fleet? Could a loan be excused by the government on the bases of keeping national assets secure and not impounded ?
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:13 am

f4f3a wrote:
Are there still airtanker 330 in the fleet? Could a loan be excused by the government on the bases of keeping national assets secure and not impounded ?


It’s operated by AirTanker flight crew, under the AirTanker AOC, it wouldn’t be impounded, likewise with the Smartlynx/Avion aircraft.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:14 am

f4f3a wrote:
Are there still airtanker 330 in the fleet? Could a loan be excused by the government on the bases of keeping national assets secure and not impounded ?


I doubt it, as Air Tanker aircraft are leased-only and are not a TCX asset.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:14 am

Seems the UK Government has made up its mind...
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said the government is ready to fly holidaymakers back to the UK if tour operator Thomas Cook collapses. So basically that says they won't give TC any money..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49785426
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 am

f4f3a wrote:
Are there still airtanker 330 in the fleet? Could a loan be excused by the government on the bases of keeping national assets secure and not impounded ?


Not sure how that makes any sense at all.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 am

jomur wrote:
Seems the UK Government has made up its mind...
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said the government is ready to fly holidaymakers back to the UK if tour operator Thomas Cook collapses. So basically that says they won't give TC any money..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49785426


They’ve already got the ball rolling.
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:23 am

jomur wrote:
Seems the UK Government has made up its mind...
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said the government is ready to fly holidaymakers back to the UK if tour operator Thomas Cook collapses. So basically that says they won't give TC any money..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49785426


He has certainly gone further in his statements compared to Brandon Lewis on Sophie Ridge on Sunday this morning where he refused to talk much about TC.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:45 am

eagles94 wrote:
jomur wrote:
Seems the UK Government has made up its mind...
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said the government is ready to fly holidaymakers back to the UK if tour operator Thomas Cook collapses. So basically that says they won't give TC any money..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49785426


They’ve already got the ball rolling.
MH8490 Airbus A380 9M-MNF enroute to Manchester from KL. Expected 0033


No passengers need repatriating from Mancheseter - they need to be returned to Man - so why?
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:46 am

Don’t ask Me, ask the CAA.
Also 2 Eastern 767s in SNN on standby, third arriving later on.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:50 am

flyjay123 wrote:
eagles94 wrote:
jomur wrote:
Seems the UK Government has made up its mind...
Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said the government is ready to fly holidaymakers back to the UK if tour operator Thomas Cook collapses. So basically that says they won't give TC any money..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49785426


They’ve already got the ball rolling.
MH8490 Airbus A380 9M-MNF enroute to Manchester from KL. Expected 0033


No passengers need repatriating from Mancheseter - they need to be returned to Man - so why?

Theres more than one set of crew, they need a base. It will be catered and fuelled both ways from base.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:52 am

Seems to be over. No TCX flight plans filed for tomorrow. Usually there would be a few dozen in the system by now.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:02 pm

Terrier79 wrote:
I wonder all the time why they should pull together a wetleased fleet at MAN or LGW if their intention is to repatriate people back TO the UK.
Can anyone help me understand?


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Well, there wouldn't be any intention of simply evacuating all Thomas Cook package holiday passengers in the shortest time possible, the ATOL system allows people in-resort on holiday to complete their holidays and fly back approximately on the day they'd expected to. So something vaguely resembling the TCX timetable needs to be operated, with empty journeys departing the UK and loaded journeys arriving back into the UK, for about 2 weeks. This means that aircraft brought in from outside the UK need to come in with extra crews as pilots and cabin crew will need rest periods. The re-crewing points obviously have to be at UK airports since very few airports elsewhere have multiple TCX flights every single day.
There's also a need to arrange maintenance cover for up to two weeks, basic catering and so on.
Now based on what happened with Monarch, flights will be consolidated onto fewer UK airports than TCX normally serve, with road transport within the UK to the ultimate destination, though some shorthaul planes may be temporarily based at other UK airports than LGW and MAN.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:04 pm

Final flight looks to be TCX24LU GTCDN LTBS-EGNT arriving back around 3.45 am tomorrow.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:04 pm

Feel very sorry for the passengers and crew who are going to be hit by this . I wonder whether flights booked through TC on other airlines will be effected ? For ex they book holidays using easyJet flights . Would the flight portion still be honoured ?
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:08 pm

RobK wrote:
Final flight looks to be TCX24LU GTCDN LTBS-EGNT arriving back around 3.45 am tomorrow.


What about long haul? 6 x A330’s crossing the Atlantic right now en-route to LAS, CUN, MCO CCC etc?
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:11 pm

    RobK wrote:
    Final flight looks to be TCX24LU GTCDN LTBS-EGNT arriving back around 3.45 am tomorrow.



    A poster on another forum is TC Cabin crew, operating LGW-DLM tonight and according to he/she, the flight is operating.


    EDIT: That flight won’t be home until around 6/7am.
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:19 pm

    I am at a hotel in Antalya and here are some people very frustrated and anxious about return flight next days.
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:24 pm

    So what will be grounded tonight?

    - Thomas Cook UK
    - Thomas Cook Balearics
    - Thomas Cook Scandinavia
    - Condor

    Only UK, the three TC brands or everything?
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:25 pm

    Yakamoz wrote:
    I am at a hotel in Antalya and here are some people very frustrated and anxious about return flight next days.

    Yes I wouldn't look forward to a chaotic Haji A380 flight back if the apparently inevitable occurs...
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:25 pm

    First one out tomorrow is GLA ZTH 04:00L.
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:40 pm

    FCAFLYBOY wrote:
    RobK wrote:
    Final flight looks to be TCX24LU GTCDN LTBS-EGNT arriving back around 3.45 am tomorrow.


    What about long haul? 6 x A330’s crossing the Atlantic right now en-route to LAS, CUN, MCO CCC etc?


    No flight plans filed for their return :confused: . Even checked their actual flight IDs and nothing. Nothing for the LGW-DLM flight mentioned nor the GLA flight tomorrow. It's possible they might get filed later but they'd normally be in the system since a.m. for the US/Caribbean returns. I'll check again later today :profile: .
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:53 pm

    GLA has 3 flight going tomorrow morning. 0400 to Zakynthos, 0530 to Palma and 0615 to Mahon. All still showing as operating on the GLA app at the moment.
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:05 pm

    jomur wrote:
    All still showing as operating on the GLA app at the moment.

    Which is likely to be the last place which will have the latest update....
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:32 pm

    eagles94 wrote:
    jomur wrote:
    Seems the UK Government has made up its mind...
    Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has said the government is ready to fly holidaymakers back to the UK if tour operator Thomas Cook collapses. So basically that says they won't give TC any money..

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49785426


    They’ve already got the ball rolling.
    MH8490 Airbus A380 9M-MNF enroute to Manchester from KL. Expected 0033

    It's 9:28pm here in Malaysia. My friend working with MH has informed me the A380 is indeed for rescue flight. Departed with two sets of crews. I hope he is wrong. Not seeing any MH A350 going AOG at LHR atm, so I am not holding my breath.

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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:33 pm

    Scheduled Flights for tomorrow are still showing as available through the fare buckets.
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:45 pm

    jomur wrote:
    GLA has 3 flight going tomorrow morning. 0400 to Zakynthos, 0530 to Palma and 0615 to Mahon. All still showing as operating on the GLA app at the moment.


    Everything will show as normal until the airports involved are officially informed otherwise. The same as the TC website will still sell tickets until any such change as was the case with Monarch.
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:56 pm

    We wont know any more until the board meet tonight and a decision is made if they can or cannot carry on, id expect the next update to be very late tonight or early tomorrow morning, the CAA are just getting prepared if the worse does happen they cannot sit about and wait and do nothing.
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:06 pm

    Very sad ! TC is very important here at Caribbean market..
     
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    Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

    Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:38 pm

    why bring in a plane from KUL ,surely they could use planes nearer to britain ,also why did the TCflights leave this morning knowing it will fold ?
    by the way MH8490 is over the arabian sea as we speak
    https://www.flightradar24.com/MAS8490/2232ec78 ( hope link works )

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