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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:11 am

September with 3:Aigle, XL and TC
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:12 am

What is the situation of Thomas Cook Airlines Balearics?
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:17 am

Avion express is going to suffer too..
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:37 am

Thomas Group Group has updated their website with latest news: https://www.thomascookgroup.com/pressrelease

Compulsory liquidation of Thomas Cook Group plc
September 23, 2019

"Further to the announcement made on 20 September 2019, Thomas Cook Group plc (“the Company”) continued to engage with a range of key stakeholders over the weekend in order to secure final terms on the recapitalisation and reorganisation of the Company.

Despite considerable efforts, those discussions have not resulted in agreement between the Company’s stakeholders and proposed new money providers. The Company’s board has therefore concluded that it had no choice but to take steps to enter into compulsory liquidation with immediate effect.

An application was made to the High Court for a compulsory liquidation of the Company before opening of business today and an order has been granted to appoint the Official Receiver as the liquidator of the Company.........

We expect that AlixPartners UK LLP will now work very closely with the Civil Aviation Authority in the UK, to effect the repatriation of all UK customers impacted by this announcement."

The collapse will pushed 116 aircraft into the used aircraft market. Breakdown would be, according to planespotters.net:
16 A320
57 A321
12 A330
15 B757
16 B767

The breakdown for subsidiaries:
Condor: 53 (7 A320, 14 A321, 1 A330, 15 B757, 16 767)
UK: 45 (3 A320, 35 A321, 7 A330)
Balearics: 6 A320
Scandinavia: 8 A321, 4 A330
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:41 am

NearMiss wrote:
Man, it's been quite a year in terms of airlines dissapearing.


We aren't done yet.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:43 am

Varsity1 wrote:
NearMiss wrote:
Man, it's been quite a year in terms of airlines dissapearing.


We aren't done yet.


Is Norwegian next? I am shocked that airline is still around.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:44 am

I just boarded my Condor flight to Frankfurt from Canada.. the captain briefly mentioned the Thomas Cook shutdown... so glad Condor made it!
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:44 am

so this year: XL, Aigle, JOON, JetAiways, Thomas Cook, WOW, Avianca Argentina, Oceanair,. Germania, FlyBMI...
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:45 am

juliuswong wrote:

The collapse will pushed 116 aircraft into the used aircraft market. Breakdown would be, according to planespotters.net:
16 A320
57 A321
12 A330
15 B757
16 B767


This is a bit of a broad assumption at this point as the only thing that has been confirmed that the Thomas Cook UK subsidiary (as well as the parent company) has entered liquidation.

However, does not mean all subsidiaries are going to be shut down. Condor's website was updated to emphasize that all Condor flights are continuing to operate as scheduled.
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:47 am

juliuswong wrote:

The collapse will pushed 116 aircraft into the used aircraft market. Breakdown would be, according to planespotters.net:
16 A320
57 A321
12 A330
15 B757
16 B767


But lot of those ac are very old, so might be end like scrapp...let see who can get those B753, B767 can get second life as Freigthers
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:53 am

danipawa wrote:
juliuswong wrote:

The collapse will pushed 116 aircraft into the used aircraft market. Breakdown would be, according to planespotters.net:
16 A320
57 A321
12 A330
15 B757
16 B767


But lot of those ac are very old, so might be end like scrapp...let see who can get those B753, B767 can get second life as Freigthers

Icelandair may be interested in some of the 753's. A little over a year ago they took delivery of one from Arkia.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:54 am

Does anyone knows if the german division:
"Thomas Cook Aviation GmbH (Ex-Air Berlin Aviation GmbH), IATA »» H3 ; ICAO »» TCN and Callsign NAUTILUS" are still operating?
It seems the Airbus 321 Condor fleet belongs to this TC outfit, or is it a little bit more confusing...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Cook_Aviation
Tks
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:55 am

MT2867 has not yet taken off from JFK, but that would be flown with a plane on the DK AOC (OY-VKF). Takeoff was scheduled just as the going out of business announcement was made.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:57 am

mattyfitzg wrote:
Thomas Cook Group have set a deadline of May 7th, for interest in the airline arm of the business.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-thoma ... =applenews

Potential takers include Indigo Partners, Lufthansa, Easyjet and IAG.


Your post will be even more helpful if it is updated to include the number of daily slot pairs Thomas Cook had at Gatwick airport, and an indication whether those slots would now be returned to the general pool for redistribution.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:00 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
MT2867 has not yet taken off from JFK, but that would be flown with a plane on the DK AOC (OY-VKF). Takeoff was scheduled just as the going out of business announcement was made.


Is the Danish arm of the company affected? I can't seem to find anything on it.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:02 am

VSMUT wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
MT2867 has not yet taken off from JFK, but that would be flown with a plane on the DK AOC (OY-VKF). Takeoff was scheduled just as the going out of business announcement was made.


Is the Danish arm of the company affected? I can't seem to find anything on it.

Not as of yet. The flights from CPH, BLL and ARN this morning are still scheduled to operate as normal. Check in is also open for them
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:03 am

golfingboy wrote:
juliuswong wrote:

The collapse will pushed 116 aircraft into the used aircraft market. Breakdown would be, according to planespotters.net:
16 A320
57 A321
12 A330
15 B757
16 B767


This is a bit of a broad assumption at this point as the only thing that has been confirmed that the Thomas Cook UK subsidiary (as well as the parent company) has entered liquidation.

However, does not mean all subsidiaries are going to be shut down. Condor's website was updated to emphasize that all Condor flights are continuing to operate as scheduled.

I agree with you to certain extent, however signs are not really pleasant at the moment. All four subsidiaries' website now no longer accessible at the moment through the Group website although I do think Condor website stands alone. I suppose those flight that are scheduled to depart when the announcement was made will continue to do so until they return to base. Thereafter would be a different story.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:05 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
MT2867 has not yet taken off from JFK, but that would be flown with a plane on the DK AOC (OY-VKF). Takeoff was scheduled just as the going out of business announcement was made.


I read that passengers were stopped while boarding at JFK and that a A330 has been impounded by JFK and British Embassy staff at airport assisting. Unconfirmed though.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:08 am

BNAMealer wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
NearMiss wrote:
Man, it's been quite a year in terms of airlines dissapearing.


We aren't done yet.


Is Norwegian next? I am shocked that airline is still around.


22,000 people are going to wake up this morning to find they have lost their jobs, and you’re taking punts on who will be next? Pathetic.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:09 am

One thing that keeps me intrigued...why the british authorities choosed the TC repatriation pax operation with this same name?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Matterhorn

My prayers are now with all TC employees and families...all the best and that light may shine again to all!
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:12 am

Kinda sad, on FR24 there is only one aircraft with the transponder still on in CPH, it's the A321 inbound from Corfu last night.

Looks like they just left the flight in a hurry.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:14 am

ryan78 wrote:
Sad to see this all unfold over the past few days. I've always enjoyed the Thomas Cook branding and loved seeing their wide bodies throughout the Caribbean.

On a side note, Air Transat was due to take on 10 Thomas Cook A321's in Nov/Dec for winter seasonal lease. What happens to those lease agreements now? Is Transat SOL in this case?



Yes, this one has crossed my mind too, this could put Transat in a difficult position this winter as i assume these leases will now be cancelled, amd Transat will retain their 330s that were to go in opposite direction.

Sad to see another well known name go!
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:16 am

juliuswong wrote:
golfingboy wrote:
juliuswong wrote:

The collapse will pushed 116 aircraft into the used aircraft market. Breakdown would be, according to planespotters.net:
16 A320
57 A321
12 A330
15 B757
16 B767


This is a bit of a broad assumption at this point as the only thing that has been confirmed that the Thomas Cook UK subsidiary (as well as the parent company) has entered liquidation.

However, does not mean all subsidiaries are going to be shut down. Condor's website was updated to emphasize that all Condor flights are continuing to operate as scheduled.

I agree with you to certain extent, however signs are not really pleasant at the moment. All four subsidiaries' website now no longer accessible at the moment through the Group website although I do think Condor website stands alone. I suppose those flight that are scheduled to depart when the announcement was made will continue to do so until they return to base. Thereafter would be a different story.


Condor has applied for a transitional loan from the German government, so it looks like they intend to continue to operate as a standalone company for the foreseeable future assuming they can secure the loan.
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:17 am

Basefly wrote:
Kinda sad, on FR24 there is only one aircraft with the transponder still on in CPH, it's the A321 inbound from Corfu last night.

Looks like they just left the flight in a hurry.

That specific aircraft is currently taxiing to DK's hangar at CPH
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:20 am

Condor flights from DUS, LEJ and FRA are departing.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:24 am

DK1632 ARN-LCA is now cancelled.
DK1124 CPH-FNC and DK1292 BLL-LCA are still listed as "scheduled". Check in is even open for DK1124
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:26 am

golfingboy wrote:
Condor has applied for a transitional loan from the German government, so it looks like they intend to continue to operate as a standalone company for the foreseeable future assuming they can secure the loan.

If this were to happen (which I think it will), would this mean a potential rebrand for Condor in the future? Also, what will happen to the A332s DE leased from MT?
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:27 am

I do wonder if German interests will revive(or at least partially revive) Condor...

So sad. I loved that Thomas Cook livery and the "Kestrel" callsign when they had it. The crews were always very cool and quick to give back an "Ahoy!" on the radio. A lot of history with both Thomas Cook and Condor. I wish them all the best, and my thoughts are with the crews.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:28 am

DK1124 has just been cancelled now. Looks like DK is going down too
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:29 am

I watched Condor leave MSP about 90 minutes ago. That was the last flight of the season so MSP consumers should be safe.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:30 am

usflyer msp wrote:
I watched Condor leave MSP about 90 minutes ago. That was the last flight of the season so MSP consumers should be safe.


Still confused on this, is it the Thomas Cook Group which includes Condor that has collapsed, or is it just Thomas Cook UK itself?
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:34 am

DK1376 HEL-Larnaca is cancelled. Travellers were checked in normally but the flight did not leave.
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:34 am

Chasensfo wrote:
I do wonder if German interests will revive(or at least partially revive) Condor...

So sad. I loved that Thomas Cook livery and the "Kestrel" callsign when they had it. The crews were always very cool and quick to give back an "Ahoy!" on the radio. A lot of history with both Thomas Cook and Condor. I wish them all the best, and my thoughts are with the crews.

Probably. Germany can't really afford to lose anymore charter/holiday after they've lost both Air Berlin and Germania
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News 87and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:35 am

SASViking wrote:
DK1632 ARN-LCA is now cancelled.
DK1124 CPH-FNC and DK1292 BLL-LCA are still listed as "scheduled". Check in is even open for DK1124


Dk1292 is listet as cancelled
Dk 1124 is cancelled too
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:37 am

I have to ask now: what happens at resorts abroad owned or managed by Thomas Cook?
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News 87and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:38 am

fessor wrote:
SASViking wrote:
DK1632 ARN-LCA is now cancelled.
DK1124 CPH-FNC and DK1292 BLL-LCA are still listed as "scheduled". Check in is even open for DK1124


Dk1292 is listet as cancelled
Dk 1124 is cancelled too

They were not when I wrote that post. I've since written another when DK1124 was cancelled ;)
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:39 am

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I have to ask now: what happens at resorts abroad owned or managed by Thomas Cook?

They'll likely go to another travel agency. The travllers are still there for them
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:45 am

SASViking wrote:
fessor wrote:
SASViking wrote:
DK1632 ARN-LCA is now cancelled.
DK1124 CPH-FNC and DK1292 BLL-LCA are still listed as "scheduled". Check in is even open for DK1124


Dk1292 is listet as cancelled
Dk 1124 is cancelled too

They were not when I wrote that post. I've since written another when DK1124 was cancelled ;)


Thomas Cook Scandinavia is stopping operations too :(

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/thoma ... er-kollaps
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News 87and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:47 am

VSMUT wrote:
SASViking wrote:
fessor wrote:

Dk1292 is listet as cancelled
Dk 1124 is cancelled too

They were not when I wrote that post. I've since written another when DK1124 was cancelled ;)


Thomas Cook Scandinavia is stopping operations too :(

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/thoma ... er-kollaps

They indeed are now. They've just been very slow to announced it. Check in was even open for about an hour at CPH. However there's hope for them to be sold, as they together with Spies/Ving/Tjäreborg (the Danish, Swedish, Norwegian and Finnish travel agencies) were actually profitable
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:48 am

As for that JFK flight---the flight is now carrying a 5Y number (Giant 2867 Heavy) and Atlas Air will bring those passengers home.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News 87and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:48 am

VSMUT wrote:
SASViking wrote:
fessor wrote:

Dk1292 is listet as cancelled
Dk 1124 is cancelled too

They were not when I wrote that post. I've since written another when DK1124 was cancelled ;)


Thomas Cook Scandinavia is stopping operations too :(

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/thoma ... er-kollaps


But most strange is that it is still posible to book a holiday on Spies.dk right now
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News 87and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:51 am

fessor wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
SASViking wrote:
They were not when I wrote that post. I've since written another when DK1124 was cancelled ;)


Thomas Cook Scandinavia is stopping operations too :(

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/thoma ... er-kollaps


But most strange is that it is still posible to book a holiday on Spies.dk right now

It's indeed very odd. It's also still possible to order from the taxfree shop for DK flights on their website.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:53 am

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I have to ask now: what happens at resorts abroad owned or managed by Thomas Cook?


Around 186 of them IIRC.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:58 am

Ishrion wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
I watched Condor leave MSP about 90 minutes ago. That was the last flight of the season so MSP consumers should be safe.


Still confused on this, is it the Thomas Cook Group which includes Condor that has collapsed, or is it just Thomas Cook UK itself?

Unfortunately, it is Thomas Cook Group that collapsed, meaning all divisions including hotels and resorts and airlines have gone bust with Condor the exception. Googling the word "Thomas Cook" Google News section displays some holiday makers are now being locked in by hotel and resort management asking them to pay and some are asked to leave.

God speed for all. Seems like Micheal O Leary's prediction is now slowly unraveling. Europe aviation will consolidate into five big groups: Lufthansa, IAG, Air France-KLM, Ryanair and easyJet

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ups-463831
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:59 am

This is an amazing thing to be happening, especially during a time of economic prosperity. My thoughts and hopes are with those whose travel plans are in limbo, but moreso with those whose livelihood is at stake. I hope that Thomas Cook's assets, including their human assets, will be taken by a buyer who will take good care of the business and people as a whole.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News 87and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:02 am

SASViking wrote:
fessor wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

Thomas Cook Scandinavia is stopping operations too :(

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/thoma ... er-kollaps


But most strange is that it is still posible to book a holiday on Spies.dk right now

It's indeed very odd. It's also still possible to order from the taxfree shop for DK flights on their website.

Most probably handled by third party which run the website for them. Soon enough it will be off.

Those owned resort most probably will be most probably be taken over by creditors administrators soon.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:07 am

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As for that JFK flight---the flight is now carrying a 5Y number (Giant 2867 Heavy) and Atlas Air will bring those passengers home.


Yes CAA website updated :

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Re: Thomas Cook Airlines News 87and Discussion Thread

Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:12 am

juliuswong wrote:
SASViking wrote:
fessor wrote:

But most strange is that it is still posible to book a holiday on Spies.dk right now

It's indeed very odd. It's also still possible to order from the taxfree shop for DK flights on their website.

Most probably handled by third party which run the website for them. Soon enough it will be off.

Those owned resort most probably will be most probably be taken over by creditors administrators soon.

Spies (the Danish part of Thomas Cook Group) have just updated their website. They state that until further notice it's only flights that were scheduled for Monday September 23, that have been cancelled. They don't know if they can operate on Tuesday. They also say that they tried to get the Monday morning flights to operate but had to cancel last minute
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:17 am

Thomas Cook (India) will see no impact from the collapse of the UK group.
https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/co ... 475999.ece

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