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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:55 am

In the UK the CAA is handling the Thomas Cook refund website which is struggling due to "unprecedented demand". Really, they did not see that coming???

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49957577
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:55 pm

Looks like the HiFly a380 is finished with Operation Matterhorn, positioned back to Beja today.

Read elsewhere that Operation Matterhorn was running for 2 weeks and due to finish Oct 6th, so are all the repatriation flights now finished, or are there many left?
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:01 pm

The last one was the Hi Fly A380 doing MCO-MAN this morning.
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:01 pm

Project Matterhorn finished today, good job done by the CAA. It was reported 94% of TCX pax flew back from holiday on the day they would have done anyway.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:01 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
In the UK the CAA is handling the Thomas Cook refund website which is struggling due to "unprecedented demand". Really, they did not see that coming???

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49957577


In fariness the CAA and British government have done an excellent job considering the scale of the operation. Getting refunds back to people will take as long as it takes. The priority was getting people home. Plenty of countries that would have not done half what the UK have done. Credit where its due. One guy was complaining because he was flown back to MAN and then being coached to London and said it was unacceptable. I mean seriously !!
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Thu Oct 10, 2019 8:44 am

In the aftermath of the Thomas Cook collapse, TUI have now announced an extra Two Million Seats from their UK airports to destinations including Turkey, Greece, Balearics, Canaries, Egypt, Mexico and Florida.

As well as committing to employing over 300 TCX Flight Deck and Cabin Crew.

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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:16 am

Ryga wrote:
In the aftermath of the Thomas Cook collapse, TUI have now announced an extra Two Million Seats from their UK airports to destinations including Turkey, Greece, Balearics, Canaries, Egypt, Mexico and Florida.

As well as committing to employing over 300 TCX Flight Deck and Cabin Crew.

http://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/3461 ... lion-seats


Unless they're banking on the MAX being back in service by next summer, i'd like to see where the aircraft are coming from to offer all these extra seats and be crewed by TUI crew
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:49 am

More 787s on short routes ?
 
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:12 am

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
Looks like the HiFly a380 is finished with Operation Matterhorn, positioned back to Beja today.

Read elsewhere that Operation Matterhorn was running for 2 weeks and due to finish Oct 6th, so are all the repatriation flights now finished, or are there many left?


A lot of exaggeration around this issue. Nobody stranded, nobody needing repatriation. Alternative arrangements put in place to take people home at the end of their holiday. A lot of hassle that people would have preferred to avoid but no crisis.

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Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:31 am

Geoff1947 wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
Looks like the HiFly a380 is finished with Operation Matterhorn, positioned back to Beja today.

Read elsewhere that Operation Matterhorn was running for 2 weeks and due to finish Oct 6th, so are all the repatriation flights now finished, or are there many left?


Nobody stranded, nobody needing repatriation. Alternative arrangements put in place to take people home at the end of their holiday. A lot of hassle that people would have preferred to avoid but no crisis.

Geoff


This is true for passengers, however there are a large number of Thomas Cook staff stranded and needing repatriation. The CAA exercise hasn't and wont help them, and they also didn't get paid this month so many are indeed stranded and struggling to get back. Some of the resort staff earnt very little money.
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:32 am

Nobody stranded, nobody needing repatriation. Alternative arrangements put in place to take people home at the end of their holiday. A lot of hassle that people would have preferred to avoid but no crisis.


Quite a few were repatriated using Matterhorn aircraft where there were spare seats. The TC staff are however, the responsibility of the Official Receiver and it is they who are supposed to be making arrangements for them. Matterhorn was combination of ATOL money (to enable ATOL holders to complete their holiday and come home) and taxpayers money (to bring all non ATOL holders back to the UK). Neither sources of money extend to making arrangements for staff and crew, however unfair that may sound.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:34 am

In the UK the CAA is handling the Thomas Cook refund website which is struggling due to "unprecedented demand". Really, they did not see that coming???


I think it probably was anticipated and it was probably an issue with the systems of whoever the CAA were using to process the payments.
 
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:11 pm

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Nobody stranded, nobody needing repatriation. Alternative arrangements put in place to take people home at the end of their holiday. A lot of hassle that people would have preferred to avoid but no crisis.


Quite a few were repatriated using Matterhorn aircraft where there were spare seats. The TC staff are however, the responsibility of the Official Receiver and it is they who are supposed to be making arrangements for them. Matterhorn was combination of ATOL money (to enable ATOL holders to complete their holiday and come home) and taxpayers money (to bring all non ATOL holders back to the UK). Neither sources of money extend to making arrangements for staff and crew, however unfair that may sound.


I think TC staff should have also been covered by the CAA and this should be looked at in future. They covered those that were not supposed to be for example those that booked flight only on the website had no right to be flown back anymore then TC staff did but of course for logistical reasons the CAA brought all customers back.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:08 pm

You have to praise those unemployed TC staff who put on their uniforms and helped passengers at airports, and did so without pay and a ticket to get home.
 
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:15 pm

I think TC staff should have also been covered by the CAA and this should be looked at in future. They covered those that were not supposed to be for example those that booked flight only on the website had no right to be flown back anymore then TC staff did but of course for logistical reasons the CAA brought all customers back.


That's an honorable aspiration but you must remember what the role is of the CAA is. It is solely to administer the ATOL scheme and to protect the holidays and travel of those that have paid their £2.50 as part of their booking. It is the UK government that wanted everyone brought back and not stranded, that's why taxpayers money was added to treat everyone the same in the repatriation effort. Thomas Cook staff are not consumers of the holidays but employees of the company that has gone into receivership, The are therefore the responsibility of the Official Receiver. I empathise with those who were stuck abroad and felt forgotten. It sounds harsh but all parties have to account for where they are spending either ATOL or taxpayers money. No other country in the world would do what the UK has done.

From the Government's website:
For flights back to the UK, it doesn’t matter whether customers are ATOL protected or not, or what their nationality is. Everyone on a Thomas Cook holiday with a return flight to the UK within the 2 weeks will be brought home.

Under normal circumstances, passengers who are not ATOL protected would be asked to find, and pay for, their own way home. However, given the extent of the disruption the government is stepping in to assist impacted passengers and get people home.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:19 pm

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You have to praise those unemployed TC staff who put on their uniforms and helped passengers at airports, and did so without pay and a ticket to get home.


Indeed thats why many of them are being snapped up by other UK carriers. Also with Hays Travel taking ove the TC shops lots of the retail staff will be saved also.

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I think TC staff should have also been covered by the CAA and this should be looked at in future. They covered those that were not supposed to be for example those that booked flight only on the website had no right to be flown back anymore then TC staff did but of course for logistical reasons the CAA brought all customers back.


That's an honorable aspiration but you must remember what the role is of the CAA is. It is solely to administer the ATOL scheme and to protect the holidays and travel of those that have paid their £2.50 as part of their booking. It is the UK government that wanted everyone brought back and not stranded, that's why taxpayers money was added to treat everyone the same in the repatriation effort. Thomas Cook staff are not consumers of the holidays but employees of the company that has gone into receivership, The are therefore the responsibility of the Official Receiver.


Indeed I understand what you are saying but these Thomas Cook staff are also UK tax payers and a very large amount of them being with the company 20-30 years have paid their fair share of taxes so we need to look at that aspect also. Again its something that I feel should be addressed for future although hopefully there will not be any again on this scale. Even if cabin crew had to pay GBP2 a month out of their wages into a insurance fund / rescue fund it would help solve this issue in future.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:11 pm

TUI and all the other companies taking on ex TC staff will have to he careful to make sure they are not discriminating against non TC job applicants by ignoring them and just employing TC workers. They don't automatically get priority in the UK.
 
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:35 pm

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TUI and all the other companies taking on ex TC staff will have to he careful to make sure they are not discriminating against non TC job applicants by ignoring them and just employing TC workers. They don't automatically get priority in the UK.


cant beat experience over none, so any applicant with little to no experience are of course at a disadvantage, and those with relevant experience of course will always get a priority. That's not discrimination, that's just practicle!
 
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:32 pm

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
jomur wrote:
TUI and all the other companies taking on ex TC staff will have to he careful to make sure they are not discriminating against non TC job applicants by ignoring them and just employing TC workers. They don't automatically get priority in the UK.


cant beat experience over none, so any applicant with little to no experience are of course at a disadvantage, and those with relevant experience of course will always get a priority. That's not discrimination, that's just practicle!


Which is why I said they have to be careful as someone could argue they were discriminated against.
 
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:27 pm

jomur wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
jomur wrote:
TUI and all the other companies taking on ex TC staff will have to he careful to make sure they are not discriminating against non TC job applicants by ignoring them and just employing TC workers. They don't automatically get priority in the UK.


cant beat experience over none, so any applicant with little to no experience are of course at a disadvantage, and those with relevant experience of course will always get a priority. That's not discrimination, that's just practicle!


Which is why I said they have to be careful as someone could argue they were discriminated against.



They can't since "the less experienced" are not a protected class. I'm from the US so not familiar with local laws but I would imagine there's no legal framework for someone to argue they were discriminated against because the job went to someone more qualified than them.
 
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:58 pm

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gunnerman wrote:
You have to praise those unemployed TC staff who put on their uniforms and helped passengers at airports, and did so without pay and a ticket to get home.


Indeed thats why many of them are being snapped up by other UK carriers. Also with Hays Travel taking ove the TC shops lots of the retail staff will be saved also.

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I think TC staff should have also been covered by the CAA and this should be looked at in future. They covered those that were not supposed to be for example those that booked flight only on the website had no right to be flown back anymore then TC staff did but of course for logistical reasons the CAA brought all customers back.


That's an honorable aspiration but you must remember what the role is of the CAA is. It is solely to administer the ATOL scheme and to protect the holidays and travel of those that have paid their £2.50 as part of their booking. It is the UK government that wanted everyone brought back and not stranded, that's why taxpayers money was added to treat everyone the same in the repatriation effort. Thomas Cook staff are not consumers of the holidays but employees of the company that has gone into receivership, The are therefore the responsibility of the Official Receiver.


Indeed I understand what you are saying but these Thomas Cook staff are also UK tax payers and a very large amount of them being with the company 20-30 years have paid their fair share of taxes so we need to look at that aspect also. Again its something that I feel should be addressed for future although hopefully there will not be any again on this scale. Even if cabin crew had to pay GBP2 a month out of their wages into a insurance fund / rescue fund it would help solve this issue in future.


Weren’t all flight crew back in the UK when trading ceased ? Are you saying some of the resort reps couldn’t afford a flight home. Not convinced there is an issue except the unfortunate fact that a lot of people lost their jobs.

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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:44 am

Saw a Thomas Cook jet take off from Las Vegas about 3 hours ago . I guess the lease owner figured out how to pay for fuel and crew.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:08 am

Thomas Cook buyers pledge to save 555 shops and 2,500 jobs

All 555 Thomas Cook shops are to be bought by rival Hays Travel in a move that could save up to 2,500 jobs.

The independent travel agent said the move gives it shops in areas where it had little or no presence, including Scotland and Wales.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49985369

Some good news after a few weeks of uncertainty.
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Fri Oct 11, 2019 4:36 am

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Saw a Thomas Cook jet take off from Las Vegas about 3 hours ago . I guess the lease owner figured out how to pay for fuel and crew.


Sure it wasn't Condor?

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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:12 am

jomur wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
jomur wrote:
TUI and all the other companies taking on ex TC staff will have to he careful to make sure they are not discriminating against non TC job applicants by ignoring them and just employing TC workers. They don't automatically get priority in the UK.


cant beat experience over none, so any applicant with little to no experience are of course at a disadvantage, and those with relevant experience of course will always get a priority. That's not discrimination, that's just practicle!


Which is why I said they have to be careful as someone could argue they were discriminated against.


Providing TUI and others follow their normal recruitment procedures and treat all candidates fairly and measure them all against set criteria, there's no grounds for discrimination if the successful applications just happen to be ex-Thomas Cook staff. I know where you are coming from and I'm sure there are some companies who have proceeded with recruitment processes knowing beforehand who they're going to offer the job to and have to be seen to be treating all candidates fairly, however whoever does miss out would have to prove they were discriminated against.

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Weren’t all flight crew back in the UK when trading ceased ?


Nope. For example, crew who operated flights from the UK to long-haul destinations on Sunday 22nd September plus potentially any of the few days before would have been on a layover after completing their shifts. There was also a photo doing the rounds on Twitter of ex-Thomas Cook crew a couple of days after they collapsed stood around an Upper Class bar on a Virgin Atlantic flight having been able to get on one of their flights back to the UK.

It was different to the Monarch collapse a couple of years ago who would have no doubt had most/all of their crew back in the UK as they had ceased long-haul flying a few years prior.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:35 am

The recent news for the Travel Shop staff is great news. But for the Cabin Crews the news that other airlines are recruiting isn't great news. Many TCX staff were very senior and on permanent contracts - They will be recruited into junior and temporary flying roles, with very significant pay cuts (The recruiting airlines will have to do this to avoid putting their own staff at a disadvantage on permanent contracts or senior crew roles). Many TCX staff wont be able to afford to take up a new role at TUI, for example.
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:10 am

azz767 wrote:
Ryga wrote:
In the aftermath of the Thomas Cook collapse, TUI have now announced an extra Two Million Seats from their UK airports to destinations including Turkey, Greece, Balearics, Canaries, Egypt, Mexico and Florida.

As well as committing to employing over 300 TCX Flight Deck and Cabin Crew.

http://travelweekly.co.uk/articles/3461 ... lion-seats


Unless they're banking on the MAX being back in service by next summer, i'd like to see where the aircraft are coming from to offer all these extra seats and be crewed by TUI crew

There are two more 789's coming soon which is perfect timing, and I'm sure by next summer extra capacity can be leased in whether the MAX's are back or not.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:56 am

APYu wrote:
The recent news for the Travel Shop staff is great news. But for the Cabin Crews the news that other airlines are recruiting isn't great news. Many TCX staff were very senior and on permanent contracts - They will be recruited into junior and temporary flying roles, with very significant pay cuts (The recruiting airlines will have to do this to avoid putting their own staff at a disadvantage on permanent contracts or senior crew roles). Many TCX staff wont be able to afford to take up a new role at TUI, for example.


Surely its not a case of "they won't be able to afford to take up a new role" but they will have to reduce their lifstyle to to mathc their new earnings ? The state will not pay them anything over basic unemployment pay, and whilst pilots are continually moaning about their pay, I cannot see any other job that will pay them as much.

This is where pilots pay scales based on seniority come back to bite. 3 weeks ago I'm sure TCX pilots with 20 years experience or more thought the system whereby they received 3 x the salary of junior colleagues doing exactly the same job eminently fair
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:07 pm

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Weren’t all flight crew back in the UK when trading ceased ? Are you saying some of the resort reps couldn’t afford a flight home. Not convinced there is an issue except the unfortunate fact that a lot of people lost their jobs.

Geoff


It's an interesting question, actually. These people lost jobs, lost their paycheck, lost their flight home (presumably part of the working arrangement) and now would have to both try to figure out how to get a flight home, and cover their room/board until they do. And afford that.

While they are at it, they are actually seen as part of TC (who owes a lot of people money at resorts, I suppose) in the receiving country, no? They probably needed to get out fast. Plus their work permits are most likely TC-linked; no TC -- no grounds for legally being there anymore...
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:29 pm

What sometimes happens is that airlines will take employees of a collapsed company back home on a standby basis. It costs very little to put people into seats which would otherwise go unfilled.
 
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:30 am

A bid has been placed on the Nordic part of Thomas Cook and there are also other interested parties.
https://www.travelnews.se/ving/bud-lagt ... gsprocess/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-thom ... SKBN1WQ1NV

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Thomas Cook (TCG.D), the world’s oldest travel firm, has received a non-binding bid for its Nordic operations, a spokesman said on Friday.

The company collapsed last month, stranding hundreds of thousands of holidaymakers around the world.

“The bid that has been placed is for the whole Nordic operations, which is Thomas Cook Northern Europe plus the Nordic airline,”
said Fredrik Henriksson, head of communications at Thomas Cook Northern Europe/Ving.

He added that several parties had shown an interest in the Nordic business, but gave no further details on the offer.
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:08 am

Thunderboltdrgn wrote:
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Thomas Cook (TCG.D), the world’s oldest travel firm, has received a non-binding bid for its Nordic operations, a spokesman said on Friday.

The company collapsed last month, stranding hundreds of thousands of holidaymakers around the world.

“The bid that has been placed is for the whole Nordic operations, which is Thomas Cook Northern Europe plus the Nordic airline,”
said Fredrik Henriksson, head of communications at Thomas Cook Northern Europe/Ving.

He added that several parties had shown an interest in the Nordic business, but gave no further details on the offer.


This was expected, the Nordic group Ving/Spies/Tjäreborg have all been profitable. The Finnish Tjäreborg just commented they are rather pleased with their autumn season, despite the crisis.
 
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:52 pm

The UK Government is to seek a change to insolvency law, to enable the CAA to use the aircraft & crew of a failed airline to repatriate their customers. This means they don't need to lease a fleet in future that may or may not be needed before the company fails. Thomas Cook failed, leaving 140,000 customers abroad, but could not use the existing fleet / crew to bring them all back to the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50022039
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:39 pm

In all fairness, it’s a rarity to see the like of this on that scale. TCX also inadvertently helped the situation having so many Avion and smartlynx frames operating for them throughout the summer, meaning a sizeable part of the re-pat fleet was available to go. If that number was extra TCX planes I think the repatriation would have been a lot harder to be as successful. Whilst it seems like a logical move, I don’t think we’ll see a collapse and subsequent repat operation of this size for a good while so the ability to lease in aircraft if a smaller airline went bust would be a lot easier
 
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:42 pm

This is true for passengers, however there are a large number of Thomas Cook staff stranded and needing repatriation. The CAA exercise hasn't and wont help them, and they also didn't get paid this month so many are indeed stranded and struggling to get back. Some of the resort staff earnt very little money.[/quote]


This is unfortunately not uncommon. Back at the beginning of deregulation in the US, Braniff was the first major airline to fail. Many of the other airlines provided Non Rev transportation back to bases for stranded staff (both inflight crew and others), but as time went on over the years, this became less and less uncommon. I don't know, however, what happened when Malev (Hungary) shut down, or Swissair, Sabena, et al. In the UK, what happened when Monarch shut down? Anybody out there know? I think Air Berlin was a slightly different situation, because I'm not sure if they'd be considered a "Major" or a "Legacy" type carrier, as they were kind of a hybrid, with a LCC regional operation and a full service international. Again, anybody out there have any knowledge?
 
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:35 pm

uta999 wrote:
The UK Government is to seek a change to insolvency law, to enable the CAA to use the aircraft & crew of a failed airline to repatriate their customers. This means they don't need to lease a fleet in future that may or may not be needed before the company fails. Thomas Cook failed, leaving 140,000 customers abroad, but could not use the existing fleet / crew to bring them all back to the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50022039

This makes a great deal of sense in so many ways, firstly it saves the tax payer SO MUCH money, have to wait and see if it comes to pass.
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:41 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
uta999 wrote:
The UK Government is to seek a change to insolvency law, to enable the CAA to use the aircraft & crew of a failed airline to repatriate their customers. This means they don't need to lease a fleet in future that may or may not be needed before the company fails. Thomas Cook failed, leaving 140,000 customers abroad, but could not use the existing fleet / crew to bring them all back to the UK.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50022039

This makes a great deal of sense in so many ways, firstly it saves the tax payer SO MUCH money, have to wait and see if it comes to pass.


Yes and it's been suggested by many, including myself for years. I guess the Operation Matterhorn bills have prompted some rapid discussion amongst CAA/ATOL types ? Mind you, the chance to see the HiFly A380 operate at my local (GLA) airport was a treat unlikely to be witnessed again.
 
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:32 pm

The liquidators will have been responsible for the repatriation of any flight crew who were down route at the time of the collapse, responsibility for resort staff however would depend entirely on who they were employed by and their terms and conditions. If they were directly employed by Thomas Cook UK once again its down to the liquidators, if however they were employed by a local subsidary of Thomas Cook in the resort nation, or a local contractor it will have been down to the individuals to get themselves home. There's a strong chance that resort reps may not have been on Thomas Cook UK contracts, UK minimum wage, holiday entitlement, maximum working hours etc would make them expensive compared to local hires.
 
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:17 am

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In the UK, what happened when Monarch shut down? Anybody out there know?


When Monarch shut down, all the planes returned to their UK bases complete with their crews. That was easy because Monarch had abandoned long-haul operations some time earlier, while it was still solvent. The final version of Monarch was short-haul only, with all flights being operated on an out and back basis so the crews always returned to base with their plane. All ground handling was outsourced, along with all mx outside the UK.
So the only Monarch personnel stuck outside the UK were Monarch Holidays resort reps, but even there, quite a few were permanently resident in the country they worked in and didn't intend to return to the UK when the tourist season ended, or were locals.

Thomas Cook shorthaul worked the same way, but obviously the longhaul routes required crews to take rest at the far end of the routes so there would be several crews at any one time in the USA who had no easy way of getting home.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:19 am

Bongodog49 wrote:
... If they were directly employed by Thomas Cook UK once again its down to the liquidators, if however they were employed by a local subsidary of Thomas Cook in the resort nation, or a local contractor it will have been down to the individuals to get themselves home. ...

This would be a very convenient route for TC liquidators to wiggle out of taking care of overseas-positioned staff. Unless a destination was in the EU, a British resort rep would need to have a work permit from the host nation. In most jurisdictions, it means a local subsidiary or office has to be opened -- as address for correspondence, at the very least. In your model, existence of a local subsidiary nullifies all chance of a resort rep to be taken care of...
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:56 am

Whilst the Hays deal has largely helped Thomas Cook retail staff and many of the airline staff getting snapped up by rivals, lets spare a thought for the tourism industry in Spain especially those " Cooks Club " exclusive hotels. Staff there won't be so fortunate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49997775
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:44 pm

TC957 wrote:
Whilst the Hays deal has largely helped Thomas Cook retail staff and many of the airline staff getting snapped up by rivals, lets spare a thought for the tourism industry in Spain especially those " Cooks Club " exclusive hotels. Staff there won't be so fortunate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49997775


Indeed but the Spanish and Canary Island authorities need to step in here also to try replace what has been lost. They need to set up an emergency group to go to various operators all over Europe to try strike new deals. With WTM London coming up in a few weeks it will be an ideal time to do business also.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:51 pm

The last Thomas Cook aircraft, A330 reg G-TCXC, departed from Glasgow today to Newquay.
Have all the other TC aircraft now departed from other airports where they were stranded after TC collapsed?
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:54 pm

MAN still has at least 2 A330 and possibly 2 A321 too. OY-VKH from the Scandinavian arm is in the hangar and has been reported as being scrapped in situ.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:58 pm

User001 wrote:
MAN still has at least 2 A330 and possibly 2 A321 too. OY-VKH from the Scandinavian arm is in the hangar and has been reported as being scrapped in situ.


Haven’t heard if the 3 that were sitting at BHX have moved yet?
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:51 pm

jomur wrote:
The last Thomas Cook aircraft, A330 reg G-TCXC, departed from Glasgow today to Newquay.
Have all the other TC aircraft now departed from other airports where they were stranded after TC collapsed?


Yes indeed, I got about 20 minutes notice and got over to see old Thom off for the final time...

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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:21 pm

Status of the fleet can be found on the always excellent Jethros site https://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet ... nes_uk.htm
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:22 pm

David_itl wrote:
The last one was the Hi Fly A380 doing MCO-MAN this morning.


I had no clue HiFly was running an A380 into MCO for reparation flights. Was this a one off flight or did it make other appearances?? I see the A340 subbing for Norwegian all the time but never an a380?
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:02 am

crownvic wrote:
David_itl wrote:
The last one was the Hi Fly A380 doing MCO-MAN this morning.


I had no clue HiFly was running an A380 into MCO for reparation flights. Was this a one off flight or did it make other appearances?? I see the A340 subbing for Norwegian all the time but never an a380?


380 has flown for Norwegian many times. In august it operated their LGW-JFK route for nearly 3 weeks.
 
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Re: Thomas Cook Bankruptcy Discussion Thread

Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:06 am

User001 wrote:
OY-VKH from the Scandinavian arm is in the hangar and has been reported as being scrapped in situ.


Why should they scrap a plane the airline want back ? it came there for mainitance, sad if ended up scrapped, then Thomas Cook Scandiavia Airlines has to find another 330 in the market instead.

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