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Miami Air 737 runway overrun into river at NAS Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 2:44 am

Mayor says there is a commercial aircraft down in the St. Johns River

https://twitter.com/lennycurry/status/1 ... 0347659270
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 2:49 am

First reports says is a Boeing 737, skided of the runway into the river
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 2:51 am

Image

https://twitter.com/JSOPIO/status/1124506148256743424

There is no fatalities. Everyone onboard is now safe
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 2:52 am

All passengers accounted for per local news.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 2:53 am

The last 737 (and aircraft) in looks to be an LL 738 from Guantanamo.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK ... /MUGM/KNIP
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 2:53 am

Thankfully it says no reported deaths.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 2:55 am

N732MA appears to be the aircraft.
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 2:59 am

Glad all are safe. Has to be a nerve wracking experience. Hopefully the media doesn't start some mass 737 hysteria now, however....
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 2:59 am

Charter Miami Air flight. Not a commercial flight

http://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status/ ... 2353479680
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:02 am

Apparently a few animals are missing hopefully they are found safe.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:02 am

We were due for a corrosion corner runway overrun since the last one was in November

Thankfully nobody was killed
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:02 am

Wow. I snapped a picture of this ac at PIE on March 14th. Glad everyone is ok!
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Sat May 04, 2019 3:06 am

Live Reporting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVGX6CfDlbg

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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:07 am

N732MA
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plan ... -30618.htm

Inbound from Guantanamo Bay Cuba to Naval Base Jacksonville. Appears to be a Military Charter
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:07 am

Glad everyone is ok.

Sctvman wrote:
Charter Miami Air flight. Not a commercial flight

http://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status/ ... 2353479680


A charter flight is a commercial flight. What it is not, is a scheduled flight.

SierraPacific wrote:
We were due for a corrosion corner runway overrun since the last one was in November


What's a "corrosion corner overrun'?
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:14 am

Francoflier wrote:
Glad everyone is ok.

Sctvman wrote:
Charter Miami Air flight. Not a commercial flight

http://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status/ ... 2353479680


A charter flight is a commercial flight. What it is not, is a scheduled flight.

SierraPacific wrote:
We were due for a corrosion corner runway overrun since the last one was in November


What's a "corrosion corner overrun'?


Miami Air is based in the North side of the Miami airport along with a couple of other airlines like Skylease, Amerijet, and World Atlantic Airlines. It is nicknamed corrosion corner because of the terrible maintenance of their aircraft and the tendency for them to abandon their aircraft on the northeast side of MIA.

They are generally known as very sketchy airlines that on average have a serious accident once a year. I was referencing the last time Skylease overran a runway in November which was the last corrosion corner airline accident.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:19 am

Well over 1,000 feet of overrun grass beyond the end of Runway 10 and the St. John's River;.. must of been a good amount of energy remaining at the end of the runway to continue on through the grass that far. NWS Jacksonville radar depicts rain over the field in the last hour.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:20 am

Must have been pretty low speed at the time of entering the water, no?
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:21 am

It had been raining in the area at the time of the aircraft's approach so the runway was wet and had ponding water on it.
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:23 am

Dive teams have been sent in to rescue animals in the cargo hold.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:35 am

SierraPacific wrote:
Miami Air is based in the North side of the Miami airport along with a couple of other airlines like Skylease, Amerijet, and World Atlantic Airlines. It is nicknamed corrosion corner because of the terrible maintenance of their aircraft and the tendency for them to abandon their aircraft on the northeast side of MIA.

They are generally known as very sketchy airlines that on average have a serious accident once a year. I was referencing the last time Skylease overran a runway in November which was the last corrosion corner airline accident.


I see, thanks.

Although this does nothing to improve the 737's reputation for runway overruns...

Dive teams have been sent in to rescue animals in the cargo hold.


This being a military charter, could these be high value K9s? I hope they're ok.
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 3:37 am

SierraPacific wrote:
Miami Air is based in the North side of the Miami airport along with a couple of other airlines like Skylease, Amerijet, and World Atlantic Airlines. It is nicknamed corrosion corner because of the terrible maintenance of their aircraft and the tendency for them to abandon their aircraft on the northeast side of MIA.

They are generally known as very sketchy airlines that on average have a serious accident once a year. I was referencing the last time Skylease overran a runway in November which was the last corrosion corner airline accident.

Isn't "corrosion corner" usually the area where the planes go to die? Or are semi abandoned in limbo before finding a new home at a fly-by-night operation or broken down?
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 3:40 am

Francoflier wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:
Miami Air is based in the North side of the Miami airport along with a couple of other airlines like Skylease, Amerijet, and World Atlantic Airlines. It is nicknamed corrosion corner because of the terrible maintenance of their aircraft and the tendency for them to abandon their aircraft on the northeast side of MIA.

They are generally known as very sketchy airlines that on average have a serious accident once a year. I was referencing the last time Skylease overran a runway in November which was the last corrosion corner airline accident.


I see, thanks.

Although this does nothing to improve the 737's reputation for runway overruns...

Dive teams have been sent in to rescue animals in the cargo hold.


This being a military charter, could these be high value K9s? I hope they're ok.

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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:01 am

Is the nose cone off on that picture posted above?
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Sat May 04, 2019 4:01 am

Just minor evac casualties being reported. Military passengers that actually listen to instructions and execute them. It makes a huge difference in a situation like this.
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 4:02 am

Crazy.
Hope everyone is OK.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:03 am

csturdiv wrote:
Is the nose cone off on that picture posted above?


Yes, Also looks like impact damage into the pressure shell, at the right side wing root.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:03 am

SierraPacific wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Glad everyone is ok.

Sctvman wrote:
Charter Miami Air flight. Not a commercial flight

http://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status/ ... 2353479680


A charter flight is a commercial flight. What it is not, is a scheduled flight.

SierraPacific wrote:
We were due for a corrosion corner runway overrun since the last one was in November


Not correct! Corrosion Corner was named after the many propliners that were abandoned on the northwest corner of the airport in the 60 and 70s. I spent many years on the North side of MIA.

What's a "corrosion corner overrun'?


Miami Air is based in the North side of the Miami airport along with a couple of other airlines like Skylease, Amerijet, and World Atlantic Airlines. It is nicknamed corrosion corner because of the terrible maintenance of their aircraft and the tendency for them to abandon their aircraft on the northeast side of MIA.

They are generally known as very sketchy airlines that on average have a serious accident once a year. I was referencing the last time Skylease overran a runway in November which was the last corrosion corner airline accident.


Not correct! Corrosion Corner was named after the many propliners that were abandoned on the northwest corner of the airport in the 60 and 70s. I spent many years on the North side of MIA. It’s no longer Corrosion Corner and is known as the NW36th Street gang. Miami Air is a solid airline, operating civilian and military charters all over the world safely for many years!
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:08 am

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Just minor evac casualties being reported. Military passengers that actually listen to instructions and execute them. It makes a huge difference in a situation like this.

I can imagine it was a quick affair with a group who are ready to take swift action when time is critical.
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:09 am

Oh Christ, CNN has Schiavo pontificating already...
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:09 am

I live on the St. John's river, 4 miles south of NAS Jax. Around the time of this incident there were thunderstorms in the area.

The primary runway at NAS Jax was shutdown and completely rebuilt several years ago to meet 21st century standards, it is about 8,000 feet.

NAS Jax is home to several squadrons of Navy P8 aircraft a variant of the 737-800. The P8 aircraft do "touch and go's" all the time. There are a few P-3 aircraft remaining at the base.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:10 am

Biscayne738 wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Glad everyone is ok.



A charter flight is a commercial flight. What it is not, is a scheduled flight.



Not correct! Corrosion Corner was named after the many propliners that were abandoned on the northwest corner of the airport in the 60 and 70s. I spent many years on the North side of MIA.

What's a "corrosion corner overrun'?


Miami Air is based in the North side of the Miami airport along with a couple of other airlines like Skylease, Amerijet, and World Atlantic Airlines. It is nicknamed corrosion corner because of the terrible maintenance of their aircraft and the tendency for them to abandon their aircraft on the northeast side of MIA.

They are generally known as very sketchy airlines that on average have a serious accident once a year. I was referencing the last time Skylease overran a runway in November which was the last corrosion corner airline accident.


Not correct! Corrosion Corner was named after the many propliners that were abandoned on the northwest corner of the airport in the 60 and 70s. I spent many years on the North side of MIA. It’s no longer Corrosion Corner and is known as the NW36th Street gang. Miami Air is a solid airline, operating civilian and military charters all over the world safely for many years!


Miami Air has been in Sydney recently, operating for Fiji Airways as a result of their Max8 being grounded.
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:13 am

I fly P-8s at NAS Jax. The weather was not ideal, our runway isn't grooved, and the first 1000 feet of the runway is NOTAM'd closed due to some construction. (Bringing the length from 9000 to 8000 feet). I'm not gonna talk hypotheticals, but there isn't much room for error flaring on this runway. Also, it's almost exactly 1000 feet from last brick to the water at the end. Glad to see nothing more serious happened.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:16 am

cwienck wrote:
I fly P-8s at NAS Jax. The weather was not ideal, our runway isn't grooved, and the first 1000 feet of the runway is NOTAM'd closed due to some construction. (Bringing the length from 9000 to 8000 feet). I'm not gonna talk hypotheticals, but there isn't much room for error flaring on this runway. Also, it's almost exactly 1000 feet from last brick to the water at the end. Glad to see nothing more serious happened.

Thanks for that info about the runway condition. It matches my thoughts. METAR was gusts at 290, mist, 800 scattered.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 4:30 am

Biscayne738 wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:
Francoflier wrote:

Not correct! Corrosion Corner was named after the many propliners that were abandoned on the northwest corner of the airport in the 60 and 70s. I spent many years on the North side of MIA. It’s no longer Corrosion Corner and is known as the NW36th Street gang. Miami Air is a solid airline, operating civilian and military charters all over the world safely for many years!


LOL.

You know when they're losing pilots even to places like Atlas there are problems. They pay dung and probably get dung for pilots right now.
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 4:31 am

freakyrat wrote:
It had been raining in the area at the time of the aircraft's approach so the runway was wet and had ponding water on it.


Imagine if American pilots had to fly in kind of conditions that are routine in the monsoon season in SE Asia. It'd be carnage. Those pilots out there must be damn good.

Having lived in Colombia a while, which is basically covered in monster cumulonimbus year round, and terrain that makes for some very interesting (visual only!) approaches a lot of pilots get nowhere near enough respect on this forum if they're not from the right country.
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 4:35 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
Just minor evac casualties being reported. Military passengers that actually listen to instructions and execute them. It makes a huge difference in a situation like this.


Not sure what point you're trying to Prove? Everyone survivie most flights that land on rivers I can think of recently where evacuation is possible .Sully, even the Bali flight that landed on a coral reef in the sea rather than a river. But thank you for giving such credit to the passengers of those flights and we need more positivity here.
 
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Sat May 04, 2019 4:40 am

Planetalk wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
Just minor evac casualties being reported. Military passengers that actually listen to instructions and execute them. It makes a huge difference in a situation like this.


Not sure what point you're trying to Prove? Everyone survivie most flights that land on rivers I can think of recently where evacuation is possible .Sully, even the Bali flight that landed on a coral reef in the sea rather than a river. But thank you for giving such credit to the passengers of those flights and we need more positivity here.

Evacs have been studied for years. Different types of passengers are proven to react better than others. A plane full of Military passengers would be better disciplined to react quickly to the unexpected, compared to an all leisure pax flight like the British Midland crash.
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 5:03 am

KAUSpilot wrote:
Biscayne738 wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:


LOL.

You know when they're losing pilots even to places like Atlas there are problems. They pay dung and probably get dung for pilots right now.


I have heard they are hiring CFI's right at 1500 hours so it would not surprise me if that was a factor in this accident at all
 
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 5:14 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
cwienck wrote:
I fly P-8s at NAS Jax. The weather was not ideal, our runway isn't grooved, and the first 1000 feet of the runway is NOTAM'd closed due to some construction. (Bringing the length from 9000 to 8000 feet). I'm not gonna talk hypotheticals, but there isn't much room for error flaring on this runway. Also, it's almost exactly 1000 feet from last brick to the water at the end. Glad to see nothing more serious happened.

Thanks for that info about the runway condition. It matches my thoughts. METAR was gusts at 290, mist, 800 scattered.


Umm, the weather wasn’t that good. Here are the METARs and the touchdown was around 0144Z. How many planes do we have to lose due to landing with a tailwind in a thunderstorm? It just baffles the mind!!

KNIP 040217Z 00000KT 10SM -TSRA SCT025CB BKN080 BKN120 BKN250 24/21 A2997 RMK AO2 OCNL LTGIC VC E TS E MOV E T1 SET P0000 T02390211 $
KNIP 040153Z 13003KT 2SM +TSRA BR SCT010 BKN021CB OVC035 23/21 A2998 RMK AO2 TSB04 SLP149 FRQ LTGIC OHD TS OHD MOV E T1 SET P0074 T02280206 $
KNIP 040145Z 29008G16KT 3SM +TSRA BR SCT008 BKN015CB OVC032 24/22 A2999 RMK AO2 TSB04 FRQ LTGIC OHD TS OHD MOV E T1 SET P0063 T02440222 $
KNIP 040122Z 35004KT 5SM +TSRA BR SCT008 BKN018CB OVC030 24/22 A2998 RMK AO2 TSB04 FRQ LTGIC OHD TS OHD MOV E T1 SET P0010 T02440222 $
KNIP 040105Z COR 08003KT 10SM -TSRA SCT008 BKN030CB BKN045 BKN250 25/23 A2997 RMK AO2 TSB04 OCNL LTGIC VC W TS W MOV E T1 SET P0000 T02500228 $
KNIP 040103Z 06003KT 10SM -RA SCT008 BKN030CB BKN250 25/23 A2997 RMK AO2 OCNL LTGIC DSNT SW CB DSNT SW T2 SET P0000 T02500228 $
KNIP 040053Z 00000KT 10SM -RA SCT010 BKN030 BKN045 BKN250 25/22 A2997 RMK AO2 RAB52 SLP143 OCNL LTGIC DSNT SW CB DSNT SW T2 SET P0000 T02500222 $
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Re: Miami Air 737 runway overrun into river at NAS Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 5:35 am

hariacc wrote:
First, glad everyone are save. Hopefully no casualties

Secondly, (I know this is cheap), How came, the super pilot from the United States can not even landed 737 properly? Are the crew of the aircraft from the third world because I read in somewhere that US pilot is super, properly train and can not do wrong.


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Re: Miami Air 737 runway overrun into river at NAS Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 5:39 am

For a small charter airline that only has 8 737NGs, this is probably going to be a big blow to their bottomline and hurt their reputation. I remember how quickly things went downhill at Eastern after the overrun at LGA with Pence onboard.
 
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G500Captain wrote:
FlyingElvii wrote:
cwienck wrote:
I fly P-8s at NAS Jax. The weather was not ideal, our runway isn't grooved, and the first 1000 feet of the runway is NOTAM'd closed due to some construction. (Bringing the length from 9000 to 8000 feet). I'm not gonna talk hypotheticals, but there isn't much room for error flaring on this runway. Also, it's almost exactly 1000 feet from last brick to the water at the end. Glad to see nothing more serious happened.

Thanks for that info about the runway condition. It matches my thoughts. METAR was gusts at 290, mist, 800 scattered.


Umm, the weather wasn’t that good. Here are the METARs and the touchdown was around 0144Z. How many planes do we have to lose due to landing with a tailwind in a thunderstorm? It just baffles the mind!!

KNIP 040217Z 00000KT 10SM -TSRA SCT025CB BKN080 BKN120 BKN250 24/21 A2997 RMK AO2 OCNL LTGIC VC E TS E MOV E T1 SET P0000 T02390211 $
KNIP 040153Z 13003KT 2SM +TSRA BR SCT010 BKN021CB OVC035 23/21 A2998 RMK AO2 TSB04 SLP149 FRQ LTGIC OHD TS OHD MOV E T1 SET P0074 T02280206 $
KNIP 040145Z 29008G16KT 3SM +TSRA BR SCT008 BKN015CB OVC032 24/22 A2999 RMK AO2 TSB04 FRQ LTGIC OHD TS OHD MOV E T1 SET P0063 T02440222 $
KNIP 040122Z 35004KT 5SM +TSRA BR SCT008 BKN018CB OVC030 24/22 A2998 RMK AO2 TSB04 FRQ LTGIC OHD TS OHD MOV E T1 SET P0010 T02440222 $
KNIP 040105Z COR 08003KT 10SM -TSRA SCT008 BKN030CB BKN045 BKN250 25/23 A2997 RMK AO2 TSB04 OCNL LTGIC VC W TS W MOV E T1 SET P0000 T02500228 $
KNIP 040103Z 06003KT 10SM -RA SCT008 BKN030CB BKN250 25/23 A2997 RMK AO2 OCNL LTGIC DSNT SW CB DSNT SW T2 SET P0000 T02500228 $
KNIP 040053Z 00000KT 10SM -RA SCT010 BKN030 BKN045 BKN250 25/22 A2997 RMK AO2 RAB52 SLP143 OCNL LTGIC DSNT SW CB DSNT SW T2 SET P0000 T02500222 $



Weather wasn’t good is an understatement 0.63 inches (16 mm) in the previous 23 minutes


Location: KNIP
JACKSONVILLE - TOWER FIELD - USA (FLORIDA)
Latitude: 30°14'05"N - Longitude: 081°40'35"W.
Magnetic declination: 6.55°W
Sunrise: 10:41 UTC
Sunset: 00:06 UTC
Report emitted the day: 04, time 01:45 UTC
Saturday 4 May 2019 04:45 local time.
Wind: True direction = 290 degrees, speed: 8 knots (15 km/h) (4 m/s), with Gusts of maximum speed 16 knots (30 km/h) (8 m/s).
Runway 10, length 8002 feet, altitude 20 feet: Cross Wind 2 KT Left - Centerline Wind 8 KT rear.
Runway 14, length 5980 feet, altitude 10 feet: Cross Wind 3 KT Right - Centerline Wind 7 KT rear.
Runway 28, length 8002 feet, altitude 8 feet: Cross Wind 2 KT Right - Centerline Wind 8 KT front.
Runway 32, length 5980 feet, altitude 8 feet: Cross Wind 3 KT Left - Centerline Wind 7 KT front.
Minimum horizontal visibility: 3 statute miles (4828 meters).
Weather: Strong Thunderstorms Rain .
Weather: Mist .
Clouds: Scattered (3-4 oktas), at 800 feet above aerodrome level (244 meters).
Clouds: Broken sky (5-7 oktas), at 1500 feet above aerodrome level (457 meters), cumulonimbus.
Clouds: Overcast sky (8 oktas), at 3200 feet above aerodrome level (975 meters).
Temperature: 24 degrees Celsius (75 Fahrenheit). Dewpoint: 22 degrees Celsius (72 Fahrenheit). Relative humidity 88.62 %.
QNH (Sea-level pressure): 29.99 inches (1016 hPa).
Additional information:
Automated observation with precipitation discriminator (rain/snow).
Thunderstorms began at 01:04 UTC (04:04 local time).
Lightning is observed. Lightning which takes place within the cloud. Frequency is about 1 to 6 flashes per minute.
Overhead Weather: Thunderstorms .
Overhead Moving direction East.
T1: Unknown token.
SET: Unknown token.
The amount of precipitation the has occurred since the last Metar is 0.63 inches (16 mm).
Temperature: 24.4 degrees Celsius (75.9 Fahrenheit). Dewpoint: 22.2 degrees Celsius (72 Fahrenheit).
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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

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Oh Christ, CNN has Schiavo pontificating already...

She does nothing to improve CNN's trustworthiness. I stopped listening to her years ago. She came from NTSB as I recall, but she's full of crap.
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Re: Miami Air 737 runway overrun into river at NAS Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 6:14 am

Can we please step away from the comments about nationality? These type of comments do not add to the discussion and lead us off-topic.

In case you all missed it, the topic here is that a Boeing 737-800 (NOT A MAX) departed the end of a runway at the Jacksonville NAS. It was transporting US military personnel and their families, not prisoners (that we have been told) and so that commentary and sentiment also has no bearing here.

One poster, who flies a similar type, has mentioned that the runway has been shortened due to ongoing maintenance, and it wasn't overly long to begin with. The weather was also less than optimal.

Thankfully, it sounds like the human souls aboard fared well, with only minor injuries.

Yes, I will be the first to introduce the common Anet mantra...is it a writeoff? My gut feeling is that this aircraft will never fly again.
 
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Re: Miami Air 737 runway overrun into river at NAS Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 6:23 am

tcfc424 wrote:
One poster, who flies a similar type, has mentioned that the runway has been shortened due to ongoing maintenance, and it wasn't overly long to begin with.


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Re: Plane crash in Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 6:24 am

Planetalk wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
It had been raining in the area at the time of the aircraft's approach so the runway was wet and had ponding water on it.


Imagine if American pilots had to fly in kind of conditions that are routine in the monsoon season in SE Asia. It'd be carnage. Those pilots out there must be damn good.

Having lived in Colombia a while, which is basically covered in monster cumulonimbus year round, and terrain that makes for some very interesting (visual only!) approaches a lot of pilots get nowhere near enough respect on this forum if they're not from the right country.



Funny you say this. I flew with a Colombian (ex Copa) 737 pilot flying 175's at republic and he couldn't believe how bad the weather is in the US compared to Columbia.
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Re: Miami Air 737 runway overrun into river at NAS Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 6:27 am

tcfc424 wrote:
Can we please step away from the comments about nationality? These type of comments do not add to the discussion and lead us off-topic.

In case you all missed it, the topic here is that a Boeing 737-800 (NOT A MAX) departed the end of a runway at the Jacksonville NAS. It was transporting US military personnel and their families, not prisoners (that we have been told) and so that commentary and sentiment also has no bearing here.

One poster, who flies a similar type, has mentioned that the runway has been shortened due to ongoing maintenance, and it wasn't overly long to begin with. The weather was also less than optimal.

Thankfully, it sounds like the human souls aboard fared well, with only minor injuries.

Yes, I will be the first to introduce the common Anet mantra...is it a writeoff? My gut feeling is that this aircraft will never fly again.


Over 18 years old its a good bet she won't fly again. Engines are likely shot, the gear is probably gone, Avionics are sitting in somewhat brackish water so that's gone. Add in possible structural damage to the wings and fuselage and I would be very surprised if she flies again. I expect the fact that she is at the end of the runway of an active Naval Air Station to contribute to her being removed quickly possibly by crane onto a barge (possibly causing more damage) and moved out as soon as is feasibly possible.
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Re: Miami Air 737 runway overrun into river at NAS Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 6:29 am

zeke wrote:
tcfc424 wrote:
One poster, who flies a similar type, has mentioned that the runway has been shortened due to ongoing maintenance, and it wasn't overly long to begin with.


8006ft landing distance available on 10

M0194/19 NOTAMN
Q) ZJX/QMRCM/IV/NBO/A/000/999/3014N08140W005 A) KNIP B) 1903281251 C) 1905302300
E) RWY 10 TORA 8,003FT, TODA 8,003FT, ASDA 8,006FT, LDA 8,006FT.


Which is still much longer than many runways the 737 operates into. (LTN with its 2000m runway being one)

I'm guessing it'll be one or more of the following:

1. ABS or general braking failure
2. Inappropriate runway selection
3. Poor surface condition
 
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Re: Miami Air 737 runway overrun into river at NAS Jacksonville

Sat May 04, 2019 6:57 am

Yet another 737 runway overrun. Why do these incidents always seem to be on that aircraft? Higher approach speeds vs other aircraft?
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