Well we are talking about the good old US of A with its well trained pilots with not just hundreds of hours but thousands of hours.
All the more reason not to let kids with 150 hrs at the Controls. If a pilot with 1,000s of hrs can muck it up sometimes that’s even more proof insanely low times pilots shouldn’t be at the controls. A super low time pilot may be competent and educated but he / she can’t be experienced. It take hours to be experienced.
No one died. This is more of a runway excursion. Damage to the plane will classify it as an accident but it’s really just an unfortunate incident.
Every pilot has started with 0 hours in their logbook. Most of them flew through their career without accidents. So what is your point? No pilots plane?
I don’t get the vehement defense of 150 hr total time pilots at the controls of mainline schedule pax planes. Your argument is spurious all pilots start with zero hours. While true you are missing the point.
Let me try and explain it differently. Let’s say you want to be a race car driver like NASCAR. You don’t wake up one day, take a 100 or 150 hour race driving course (they do have those btw) and go enter the Daytona 500 after done. You start at lower levels. At junior and rookies series. You build experience. You build time in the car. You try things out. You learn what works and doesn’t. You learn how a car feels in a lower series before it steps out on you and spins. You learn how hot temperatures and racing at tacks aft different elevations change the handling of the car. You progressively move up to bigger cars, more horsepower, faster cars as your skills and experience builds. You gain seat time. Then you move up to the next level as your prove yourself capable of handling more speed, more power and challenges. Sure your first time in the car at a new level is your your first time but you have thousands of laps of experience and thousands of hours of practice you can apply to a more challenging situation.
Sure you can be super smart...brilliant even. You can read books and take comprehensive, immersive classes about understeer and oversteer and all of the things NASCAR drivers need to know. Sure you can practice in a simulator. Sure you can go down to Daytona and strap in a race car with an experienced driver and in tandem take some hot laps at speed. Does that mean you are ready to be at the wheel for the Daytona 500? I think not.
You need to prove yourself, you need experience. Could you maybe enter a race after a class and a few tandem laps. Sure. Maybe you won’t even wreck and cross the finish line running. Can you really say afterwards you were totally prepared without a lot of prior experience for the race? Can you say you were as good as the other drivers like a Dale Earnhardt, JR or Chase or Bill Elliott with with all of their experiences in racing they have to draw from and apply to their book knowledge and skills? I think not.
So let’s look at putting a kid say in his 20s in the right seat of a B737 or A320 or B767 or 777 whatever. He or she is in their 20s. They don’t even have many life experiences yet. Let alone experiences flying in a multitude of weather and situations. They have gone from single seat or twin engine piston to flying from major airports with 150-300 people they are responsible for all in 150 total hours??
Now you can justify it by saying well it’s been done and usually it’s fine. Sure has and Flying is super safe. I guess it’s valid argument. The facts prove it to an extent. The only reason the facts prove it is because flying is so safe and so automated. Almost never does anything bad happen. Hell, the airlines don’t even want pilots to touch the controls really. So you get your statistics that make it look just fine, not because it really is but because 99.999 percent of the time everything works as it should.
If we are honest and really looked at it there is no way to say a pilot of a 737 or mainline plane has as much experience to draw from at 150 or 200 hrs total time than a guy or gal that has flown thousands of hours total. We can make one off arguments. We can Cite accidents where very experienced pilots screwed up and did something stupid. To me that’s all the more reason to want experience in the cockpit. If a high or higher time pilot can screw up then imagine the opportunities for an insanely low time pilot. My fav response is well I rather have a competent pilot with 150 hours than an idiot with 6,000. Hell yes. Me too. So would I. Are we insane to want to have a 6,000hr incompetent pilot in the cockpit??. We should look at why that sometimes happens. Is it because of affirmative action hires, privacy laws for mental health problems, lack of oversight or background checks?? Sure I’d rather fly with a 100hr sober competent pilot than a drunk 6,000hr pilot. We should not, however use a statement like that to justify the 150hr guy. We should say what the heck is wrong we have an incompetent drunk 6,000hr guy. Shame on us for letting him have 6,000hrs to try and kill someone. The argument people make the 150 hr guy is somehow safe is the same reason a 6,000hr idiot hasn’t killed someone yet. Don’t use the fact to justify the low time guy.
Also I see arguments..spurious again....well every 737 pilot or whatever has zero hours on type then the started. Yes. Of course. But they should have prior experiences they can draw from flying other types of planes. I cannot see any real and rational way to justify a pilot with a total lifetime number of hours flown at say 150-250-300 where they have any business being in the cockpit of a mainline jet as their FIRST job and responsibility out of flight school. I don’t care how good the flight school or how immersive. You cannot inject experiences and circumstances into someone’s brain. They have to learn and experience themselves and they shouldn’t be doing that with 100(s) of passengers on board.
Again make all the one off arguments you want. Doesn’t change the fact it is better to have experienced pilots in the cockpit. Do we honestly think a 150hr total time pilot..total time as in just out of flight school that’s every minute he has ever flown anything that flys...at 159 hours and maybe this person is brilliant. The equivalent of Picasso in the cockpit....do we really think and expect they are able to cope with Sully’s circumstances? Al Haynes and UA232? Aloha’s 737 convertible. What about the AS MD80. Those pilots had Tremendous experience but still crashed yes. But they flew a damn MD80 upside down for several minutes and recovered. They stayed calm. Do we expect a 150hr TOTAL TIME pilot to be able to successfully handfly a damaged plane upside down that wasn’t even meant to fly upside down? What about the NW 747 what had a massive rudder failure over the pacific. Those guys and I’ve watched their interviews had a couple hundred years of experience between them and they struggled hard. They said they had no procedures for this type of failure. They had to use their tremendous experience to safely land a fully loaded 747 in dire circumstances. The AC767 glider, Japan Air 747 w basically no tail bc is fell off. Only the experience of those pilots kept the planes in the air and in most of those crashes saved lives. You are on board. You want a guy w a total of 150 hrs or a guy with over 18,000hrs in the NW case? How good do you feel about his book smarts in this situation and a few hrs sim time?
You need a heart transplant. Do you want a new surgeon just out of school. Look buddy, I can do your heart transplant. I went to the best school, Harvard or whatever, I’ve helped do a few and even done a couple on my own. I graduated top of my class. Been published. Genius IQ. Look I’ve got 200hrs of heart transplant experience. Ya each procedure is a 10 hr deal but I’ve done 20. Or do you want the guy that’s done 200 heart transplants and has 2,000 hrs of swapping hearts out successfully with a proven track record.
I mean truthfully we don’t even let people with 209 hrs of total driving time drive busses and semi trucks yet you are ok with putting them in a mainline jet with hundreds of pax?
I want a proven pilot in the cockpit. Someone that has a body of work done successfully and time tested. You can’t be time tested with 209hrs total time.
There are even folks that won’t buy a car the first year it comes out as a new model. Why? They want the new model to prove itself. Yet people argue with a straight face about putting a new pilot in a cockpit with almost no hrs of total time. SMH
Past performance is not a guarantee of future results. But it’s a pretty darn good indicator.