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SierraPacific wrote:They still service Hong Kong to this day along with Japan from the GUM hub. It is a full-fledged hub for United still post-merger which shocks quite a bit of people.
I was in Hong Kong a couple of years ago and was so confused to see a United 737 land and taxi to a gate.
BoeingGuy wrote:SierraPacific wrote:They still service Hong Kong to this day along with Japan from the GUM hub. It is a full-fledged hub for United still post-merger which shocks quite a bit of people.
I was in Hong Kong a couple of years ago and was so confused to see a United 737 land and taxi to a gate.
Didn’t Air Micronesia serve Australia at one time too, like CNS? Okinawa too, I believe.
seb146 wrote:I had always thought Continental Micronesia flew the island hopper between HNL-GUM. It never occurred to me they would fly beyond that route. This pic was posted
and blew me away. How often did they fly outside the "Island Hopper" route? Has anyone here ever flown CO Micronesia 727 to HKG?
I really enjoy these classic photos!
BoeingGuy wrote:SierraPacific wrote:They still service Hong Kong to this day along with Japan from the GUM hub. It is a full-fledged hub for United still post-merger which shocks quite a bit of people.
I was in Hong Kong a couple of years ago and was so confused to see a United 737 land and taxi to a gate.
Didn’t Air Micronesia serve Australia at one time too, like CNS? Okinawa too, I believe.
Flyingsottsman wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:SierraPacific wrote:They still service Hong Kong to this day along with Japan from the GUM hub. It is a full-fledged hub for United still post-merger which shocks quite a bit of people.
I was in Hong Kong a couple of years ago and was so confused to see a United 737 land and taxi to a gate.
Didn’t Air Micronesia serve Australia at one time too, like CNS? Okinawa too, I believe.
They did right up to the merger with United, I think maybe a year after the UA/CO merger they dropped Cairns.
CALMSP wrote:love the GUM hub, really wish it could position itself to a SE Asia hub with a connection to LAX/SFO.
BoeingGuy wrote:Wikipedia states that Air Micronesia has previously served ITO. I don’t believe that is correct. CO served ITO from the mainland in the early-1970s though.
Anyone know for sure if Air Mike ever served ITO?
RWA380 wrote:seb146 wrote:I had always thought Continental Micronesia flew the island hopper between HNL-GUM. It never occurred to me they would fly beyond that route. This pic was posted
and blew me away. How often did they fly outside the "Island Hopper" route? Has anyone here ever flown CO Micronesia 727 to HKG?
I really enjoy these classic photos!
Continental Micronesia flew HNL-LAX/SFO/GUM on DC-10 & 747's, CO MIKE also flew n/s GUM-NRT/NGO/OSA/FUK/SEL/PUS/TPE/MNL/YAP/SPNCNS/POM DPS to name some.
http://www.departedflights.com/COsummer1992.html
http://www.departedflights.com/CO090584.html
http://www.departedflights.com/CO030182.html
http://www.departedflights.com/CO090880.html - many routes authorized but not operated incl BKK & SIN.
http://www.departedflights.com/CO103171.html
BoeingGuy wrote:Wikipedia states that Air Micronesia has previously served ITO. I don’t believe that is correct. CO served ITO from the mainland in the early-1970s though.
Anyone know for sure if Air Mike ever served ITO?
cathay747 wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:Wikipedia states that Air Micronesia has previously served ITO. I don’t believe that is correct. CO served ITO from the mainland in the early-1970s though.
Anyone know for sure if Air Mike ever served ITO?
Hi...no, they did not, only HNL.
You are quite correct however in that CO did serve ITO from the mainland (including even nonstop to ORD!), as all "new entrants" to Hawaii in the late 60's/early 70's were required to do so under a "deal" between the CAB and the state of Hawaii...so CO/BN/WA/NW all had to do at least one flight that served ITO; UA did it too...they were usually round-robin's Mainland/HNL/ITO/Mainland or vice-versa. I don't know if there was a frequency requirement though i.e minimum number of ITO flights per week. AA was exempt from the ITO issue I believe because their Hawaii service was part of the trans-Pac award of their service to the South Pacific & Australia.
CALMSP wrote:love the GUM hub, really wish it could position itself to a SE Asia hub with a connection to LAX/SFO. When UA recently pulled GUM-PVG, the network planning VP stated a new route from GUM would replace it, however, appears that has backtracked and there has been nothing.
Really would like to see a LAX-GUM, then the 738 connecting to BKK/SIN/KUL
BoeingGuy wrote:cathay747 wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:Wikipedia states that Air Micronesia has previously served ITO. I don’t believe that is correct. CO served ITO from the mainland in the early-1970s though.
Anyone know for sure if Air Mike ever served ITO?
Hi...no, they did not, only HNL.
You are quite correct however in that CO did serve ITO from the mainland (including even nonstop to ORD!), as all "new entrants" to Hawaii in the late 60's/early 70's were required to do so under a "deal" between the CAB and the state of Hawaii...so CO/BN/WA/NW all had to do at least one flight that served ITO; UA did it too...they were usually round-robin's Mainland/HNL/ITO/Mainland or vice-versa. I don't know if there was a frequency requirement though i.e minimum number of ITO flights per week. AA was exempt from the ITO issue I believe because their Hawaii service was part of the trans-Pac award of their service to the South Pacific & Australia.
Thanks. I’m well familiar with the ITO flights. UA flew DC-8-61s SFO-ITO and LAX-ITO, which I don’t believe were round robin.
PA also served ITO about 1967-1969. AA and TW didn’t serve ITO in that era, as you mention.
UA was the last of the mainland carriers to serve ITO until 1986 or 1987 with a DC-10, until America Trans Air abd later UA resumed it.
I wish there were more photos of those old ITO flights.
RWA380 wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:cathay747 wrote:
Hi...no, they did not, only HNL.
You are quite correct however in that CO did serve ITO from the mainland (including even nonstop to ORD!), as all "new entrants" to Hawaii in the late 60's/early 70's were required to do so under a "deal" between the CAB and the state of Hawaii...so CO/BN/WA/NW all had to do at least one flight that served ITO; UA did it too...they were usually round-robin's Mainland/HNL/ITO/Mainland or vice-versa. I don't know if there was a frequency requirement though i.e minimum number of ITO flights per week. AA was exempt from the ITO issue I believe because their Hawaii service was part of the trans-Pac award of their service to the South Pacific & Australia.
Thanks. I’m well familiar with the ITO flights. UA flew DC-8-61s SFO-ITO and LAX-ITO, which I don’t believe were round robin.
PA also served ITO about 1967-1969. AA and TW didn’t serve ITO in that era, as you mention.
UA was the last of the mainland carriers to serve ITO until 1986 or 1987 with a DC-10, until America Trans Air abd later UA resumed it.
I wish there were more photos of those old ITO flights.
I don't think BN ever served ITO. I do know, at some point, NW operated both ITO-PDX/SEA on the DC-10.
CALMSP wrote:love the GUM hub, really wish it could position itself to a SE Asia hub with a connection to LAX/SFO. When UA recently pulled GUM-PVG, the network planning VP stated a new route from GUM would replace it, however, appears that has backtracked and there has been nothing.
Really would like to see a LAX-GUM, then the 738 connecting to BKK/SIN/KUL
TheEuphorian wrote:CALMSP wrote:love the GUM hub, really wish it could position itself to a SE Asia hub with a connection to LAX/SFO. When UA recently pulled GUM-PVG, the network planning VP stated a new route from GUM would replace it, however, appears that has backtracked and there has been nothing.
Really would like to see a LAX-GUM, then the 738 connecting to BKK/SIN/KUL
Considering there's no airline flying to GUM from S.E. Asia with the exception of PR from MNL.
seb146 wrote:I had always thought Continental Micronesia flew the island hopper between HNL-GUM. It never occurred to me they would fly beyond that route. This pic was posted
and blew me away. How often did they fly outside the "Island Hopper" route? Has anyone here ever flown CO Micronesia 727 to HKG?
I really enjoy these classic photos!
TheEuphorian wrote:CALMSP wrote:love the GUM hub, really wish it could position itself to a SE Asia hub with a connection to LAX/SFO. When UA recently pulled GUM-PVG, the network planning VP stated a new route from GUM would replace it, however, appears that has backtracked and there has been nothing.
Really would like to see a LAX-GUM, then the 738 connecting to BKK/SIN/KUL
Considering there's no airline flying to GUM from S.E. Asia with the exception of PR from MNL.
zakuivcustom wrote:TheEuphorian wrote:CALMSP wrote:love the GUM hub, really wish it could position itself to a SE Asia hub with a connection to LAX/SFO. When UA recently pulled GUM-PVG, the network planning VP stated a new route from GUM would replace it, however, appears that has backtracked and there has been nothing.
Really would like to see a LAX-GUM, then the 738 connecting to BKK/SIN/KUL
Considering there's no airline flying to GUM from S.E. Asia with the exception of PR from MNL.
Getting somewhat off topic - but that's b/c the demand from SE Asia (outside of the Philippines) to Guam is minimal? Seriously, there's not even much tourism demand (b/c, well, why in the world someone from continental ASEAN would head to Guam when there's Thailand or Indonesia or even Malaysia/Vietnam that has much nicer resorts at a much lower price and are much closer?), and MNL only gets flights to GUM b/c...well, over 1 in 4 person in Guam is a Filipinos?
BTW...
(1994 Timetable)
http://www.departedflights.com/CO103094p19.html
HKG, MNL, DPS, FUK, CTS, NRT, KIX, SDJ, OKA, SEL, TPE, KHH...on a mix of 727 and DC-10 out of GUM. Seems like there's a few GUM-SPN-Japan flights also (Which doesn't exist anymore - UA nowaday only fly to GUM from SPN).
seb146 wrote:I had always thought Continental Micronesia flew the island hopper between HNL-GUM. It never occurred to me they would fly beyond that route. This pic was posted
and blew me away. How often did they fly outside the "Island Hopper" route? Has anyone here ever flown CO Micronesia 727 to HKG?
I really enjoy these classic photos!
jteruel06 wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:TheEuphorian wrote:Considering there's no airline flying to GUM from S.E. Asia with the exception of PR from MNL.
Getting somewhat off topic - but that's b/c the demand from SE Asia (outside of the Philippines) to Guam is minimal? Seriously, there's not even much tourism demand (b/c, well, why in the world someone from continental ASEAN would head to Guam when there's Thailand or Indonesia or even Malaysia/Vietnam that has much nicer resorts at a much lower price and are much closer?), and MNL only gets flights to GUM b/c...well, over 1 in 4 person in Guam is a Filipinos?
BTW...
(1994 Timetable)
http://www.departedflights.com/CO103094p19.html
HKG, MNL, DPS, FUK, CTS, NRT, KIX, SDJ, OKA, SEL, TPE, KHH...on a mix of 727 and DC-10 out of GUM. Seems like there's a few GUM-SPN-Japan flights also (Which doesn't exist anymore - UA nowaday only fly to GUM from SPN).
Besides the substantial Filipino community on the island, there isn't much demand for travel to Guam from ASEAN. Plus there are way better connection options via ICN, HKG, or NRT to go to North America. GUM was never a connecting hub, as it has always primarily catered more to holiday travelers from Japan and now Korea.
cathay747 wrote:RWA380 wrote:seb146 wrote:I had always thought Continental Micronesia flew the island hopper between HNL-GUM. It never occurred to me they would fly beyond that route. This pic was posted
and blew me away. How often did they fly outside the "Island Hopper" route? Has anyone here ever flown CO Micronesia 727 to HKG?
I really enjoy these classic photos!
Continental Micronesia flew HNL-LAX/SFO/GUM on DC-10 & 747's, CO MIKE also flew n/s GUM-NRT/NGO/OSA/FUK/SEL/PUS/TPE/MNL/YAP/SPNCNS/POM DPS to name some.
http://www.departedflights.com/COsummer1992.html
http://www.departedflights.com/CO090584.html
http://www.departedflights.com/CO030182.html
http://www.departedflights.com/CO090880.html - many routes authorized but not operated incl BKK & SIN.
http://www.departedflights.com/CO103171.html
Sorry friend, but Air Mike never flew Mainland/HNL routes; they never operated east of HNL. There were times when Air Mike aircraft rotated thru to LAX/SFO, after all CO owned the airplanes, but they weren't Air Mike services, they were "mainline CO", just using Air Mike aircraft.
meesh42 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't continential micronesia fly trans-pacific to the states as well, by that I mean to LAX or SFO?
CALMSP wrote:love the GUM hub, really wish it could position itself to a SE Asia hub with a connection to LAX/SFO. When UA recently pulled GUM-PVG, the network planning VP stated a new route from GUM would replace it, however, appears that has backtracked and there has been nothing.
Really would like to see a LAX-GUM, then the 738 connecting to BKK/SIN/KUL
martinjc wrote:I flew MNL GUM back in the 80's and if memory serves me right it was on a 727. A very memorable flight because there must have been less than 10 people on it and it was the emptiest commercial jet flight I have ever been on to this day.
Max Q wrote:Many of those Air Mike widebodies
routing between HNL and the west coast were rotating through for scheduled maintenance
Coal wrote:CALMSP wrote:love the GUM hub, really wish it could position itself to a SE Asia hub with a connection to LAX/SFO. When UA recently pulled GUM-PVG, the network planning VP stated a new route from GUM would replace it, however, appears that has backtracked and there has been nothing.
Really would like to see a LAX-GUM, then the 738 connecting to BKK/SIN/KUL
Why would anyone fly UA on a 738 for 5-6 hours to connect to a flight to LAX in GUM when you can do that comfortably on a widebody on a plethora of Asian airlines via SIN, HKG, PVG, PEK, ICN, TYO, etc.?