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JJ begins A320neo operations at SDU

Wed May 08, 2019 3:26 am

(Not sure if it belongs here or in TechOps.)

Keep in mind that SDU has the shortest runways in the world on which Boeing and Airbus aircraft...the longer 2R/20L is just 4,340 feet (1,323 meters). This would basically kill whatever business case remains for an A319neo as the A320neo can operate from a 4,300-foot runway. Might this finally convince an airline like Avianca (which has the bulk of the remaining A319neo order book) to finally switch to the A320neo instead, since the A320neo at least, if not the A321neo, could possibly fly from hot-and-high BOG within the Americas with minimal restrictions.
 
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Re: JJ begins A320neo operations at SDU

Wed May 08, 2019 4:05 am

Pretty Avianca already dropped the A319neo.
 
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Re: JJ begins A320neo operations at SDU

Wed May 08, 2019 6:17 am

Perhaps, but I was always of the impression that, given the runway length at SDU, route opportunities were severely limited. Perhaps with the A319NEO’s lighter weight (relative to the A320), it may be able to perform longer routes from SDU than its CEO siblings. Purely speculation on my part, with absolutely no technical expertise.
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Re: JJ begins A320neo operations at SDU

Wed May 08, 2019 6:20 am

How's the NEOs short-field performance compared to the CEO?
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Re: JJ begins A320neo operations at SDU

Wed May 08, 2019 12:42 pm

NASBWI wrote:
Perhaps, but I was always of the impression that, given the runway length at SDU, route opportunities were severely limited. Perhaps with the A319NEO’s lighter weight (relative to the A320), it may be able to perform longer routes from SDU than its CEO siblings. Purely speculation on my part, with absolutely no technical expertise.


All of the destinations out of SDU are domestic...all international traffic is out of GIG. I was surprised to even see that headline that the A320neo could even take off from SDU on any route. The major route I could see is SDU-CGH (G3 and JJ fly that route, but AD does not).
 
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Re: JJ begins A320neo operations at SDU

Wed May 08, 2019 1:19 pm

To my knowledge Avianca indeed has cancelled their A319NEO order not so long ago.

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Re: JJ begins A320neo operations at SDU

Wed May 08, 2019 1:37 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
(Not sure if it belongs here or in TechOps.)

Keep in mind that SDU has the shortest runways in the world on which Boeing and Airbus aircraft...the longer 2R/20L is just 4,340 feet (1,323 meters). This would basically kill whatever business case remains for an A319neo as the A320neo can operate from a 4,300-foot runway. Might this finally convince an airline like Avianca (which has the bulk of the remaining A319neo order book) to finally switch to the A320neo instead, since the A320neo at least, if not the A321neo, could possibly fly from hot-and-high BOG within the Americas with minimal restrictions.


I wonder if they'll eventually take back the two NEOs transferred to LATAM Chile last year.
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Re: JJ begins A320neo operations at SDU

Thu May 09, 2019 1:50 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
NASBWI wrote:
Perhaps, but I was always of the impression that, given the runway length at SDU, route opportunities were severely limited. Perhaps with the A319NEO’s lighter weight (relative to the A320), it may be able to perform longer routes from SDU than its CEO siblings. Purely speculation on my part, with absolutely no technical expertise.


All of the destinations out of SDU are domestic...all international traffic is out of GIG. I was surprised to even see that headline that the A320neo could even take off from SDU on any route. The major route I could see is SDU-CGH (G3 and JJ fly that route, but AD does not).


Oh, absolutely. Though I’ve never been there, I’ve been aware that SDU is a domestic airport. But I’m curious as to what the longest route served from SDU is currently. Also, are there longer domestic/border state destinations that *could* be served by a higher performing aircraft such as the 319NEO or 737MAX?
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Re: JJ begins A320neo operations at SDU

Thu May 09, 2019 2:14 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
(Not sure if it belongs here or in TechOps.)

Keep in mind that SDU has the shortest runways in the world on which Boeing and Airbus aircraft...the longer 2R/20L is just 4,340 feet (1,323 meters). This would basically kill whatever business case remains for an A319neo as the A320neo can operate from a 4,300-foot runway. Might this finally convince an airline like Avianca (which has the bulk of the remaining A319neo order book) to finally switch to the A320neo instead, since the A320neo at least, if not the A321neo, could possibly fly from hot-and-high BOG within the Americas with minimal restrictions.


Are you sure it's the NEO? All I have been able to find on the Brazilian aviation press makes reference to LATAM Brazil introducing the A320CEO to SDU. Up to now, only the A319 and A318 operated there.

https://www.aeroflap.com.br/latam-lanca ... os-dumont/

Furthermore. the ANAC has only approved A320NEO ops at SDU if the aircraft is equipped with the SHARP package and only Azul and Avianca had expressed interest in flights out of SDU with the NEO.

In any case all domestic flights from SDU are short haul in nature: VCP, GRU. CGH, BSB, CNF, etc. Around 60-75 minute flights.
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