speedbird52
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Could a 3-4-3 77W replace 744 seat for seat? What about the 779?

Wed May 08, 2019 4:31 am

I counted the rows on BAs 77W and added one seat for every Y class row. The total seatcount ended up going up to 321 from 299. Very similar to BAs low density 744s, and this does not factor the fact that the 77W have one more row of J class. Would it have been possible to configure the 744 and 77W with identical seatcount with no reduction in size except width?
 
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Re: Could a 3-4-3 77W replace 744 seat for seat? What about the 779?

Wed May 08, 2019 4:43 am

Given that a lot of airlines have essentially replaced their 744s with 77Ws, the answer is a resounding yes.

As you noted, BAs 744s are very J-heavy, so the economics were always a bit different. But overall, the 77W worked a sa 744 replacement across the board.
 
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Re: Could a 3-4-3 77W replace 744 seat for seat? What about the 779?

Wed May 08, 2019 8:43 am

KL 747-400: 408 seats
KL 777-300ER: 408 seats
Some very minor variations between the classes, but you get it.
All thanks to B’s brillant move to introduce 10 abreast on the T7. A move they repeated later on with the 78, from 8 to 9 abreast. No fun for the customer of course but it does wonders concerning the aircraft’s economics.
 
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Re: Could a 3-4-3 77W replace 744 seat for seat? What about the 779?

Wed May 08, 2019 8:52 am

If you take into account the cabin area for the stairs in the 747-400 then the 777-9 has very similar seating area. A nearly perfect one for one replacement. Also in terms of payload over a certain distance it will be very similar.

The 777-300ER has less seating area than the 747-400. If you fit the same number of seats then the 777-300ER will need noticably narrower seats.
 
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Re: Could a 3-4-3 77W replace 744 seat for seat? What about the 779?

Wed May 08, 2019 10:26 am

The last configuration of Air France B744 was 36J / 396 Y = 432 seats

The closest B773ER configuration in the AF fleet today is 42J / 24W / 315Y = 381 seats. So the answer is : YES. With 6J less and no W class, they could have more or less the same configuration than the good old B744
 
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Re: Could a 3-4-3 77W replace 744 seat for seat? What about the 779?

Wed May 08, 2019 10:42 am

76er wrote:
KL 747-400: 408 seats
KL 777-300ER: 408 seats
Some very minor variations between the classes, but you get it.
All thanks to B’s brillant move to introduce 10 abreast on the T7. A move they repeated later on with the 78, from 8 to 9 abreast. No fun for the customer of course but it does wonders concerning the aircraft’s economics.


Not only the 777's Y class is feeling crowded and small, also the fwd business (C) class with 28 (2-2-2) is giving the same crowded feeling. A separate row of six C -class seats (row 6), is created behind the pantry and lavatories, in front of the economy comfort section. (avoid these seats !)

In contrast :
At the 744 you can choose from two totally different C- compartments :
- the nose section, only 15 seats, always my first choice,
- the upperdeck with 20 seats (2-2), fully separated from the rest of the aircraft, looks like your own 737BBJ.
Operating a twin over the ocean, you're always one engine failure from a total emergency.
 
Dave05
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Re: Could a 3-4-3 77W replace 744 seat for seat? What about the 779?

Thu May 09, 2019 4:13 am

My question is how much range will a 77w gained if they are configured with a low density seats count like SQ's which only have less than 280 seats....

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