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EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 4:48 pm

I’ve just seen Etihad A-380 (A6-APJ) from Abu Dhabi nonstop to New York/JFK turn around just after passing Iceland . What’s the reason why ? Medical would have rerouted to KEF and it was only 3:30 from JFK so why fly 2 hours to MAN instead ????
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to LHR ?

Wed May 08, 2019 4:52 pm

Diverting to Manchester.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to LHR ?

Wed May 08, 2019 4:54 pm

Yikes. Hope everyone's alright. Also- why not divert to Newfoundland. Could be going to SNN as well. Can someone let me know why they're diverting?
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to LHR ?

Wed May 08, 2019 4:59 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
Yikes. Hope everyone's alright. Also- why not divert to Newfoundland. Could be going to SNN as well. Can someone let me know why they're diverting?


Medical Emergency, according to Etihad (and reported on FR24):
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 2089946113

Delta777Jet wrote:
I’ve just seen Etihad A-380 (A6-APJ) from Abu Dhabi nonstop to New York/JFK turn around just after passing Iceland . What’s the reason why ? Medical would have rerouted to KEF and it was only 3:30 from JFK so why fly 2 hours to MAN instead ????


Can KEF handle an A380?
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:03 pm

That's not good.
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:04 pm

Delta777Jet wrote:
I’ve just seen Etihad A-380 (A6-APJ) from Abu Dhabi nonstop to New York/JFK turn around just after passing Iceland . What’s the reason why ? Medical would have rerouted to KEF and it was only 3:30 from JFK so why fly 2 hours to MAN instead ????

If the field can't handle an A380, they won't go there. They have a medical kit onboard, should be enough to keep the victim stable.
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to LHR ?

Wed May 08, 2019 5:09 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Can KEF handle an A380?


KEF was one of the first airports to see the A380, they first went there in 2006 for crosswind testing.
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:11 pm

Might not have a hospital or EMS on a high enough level there.
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to LHR ?

Wed May 08, 2019 5:18 pm

zeke wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
Can KEF handle an A380?


KEF was one of the first airports to see the A380, they first went there in 2006 for crosswind testing.


Thanks for the quick answer. I was just not 100% sure. (I assume they did some cold temp testing up in KEF back in 2006 also?)

DALMD80 wrote:
Might not have a hospital or EMS on a high enough level there.


Or perhaps that the victim is stable enough that EY can choose to divert to a larger airport with more facilities. Plus EY fly to MAN as-is = have the ground staff there to take care of things.
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:24 pm

Yeah. Although at that point, why not go to LHR?
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:24 pm

Do they fly to LHR?
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:27 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
Do they fly to LHR?

Yes
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:29 pm

MAN is a good divert option for a lot of the TATL flights.

Long runways, full ILS, good hospital 5 minutes down the road with full ICU capability, and in terms of Etihad, it’s a big station for them so has engineering, ground staff, easy to get crew in position, hotel contracts and more.

Added to that, the crew would likely have been in contact with MedLink, who on diagnosing the patient will have a list of hospitals and their facilities that can best serve the patient. If they are stable enough then MedLink will advise on the best airport. In this case, whatever was wrong with the passenger, MedLink obviously advised that MAN would be most suitable.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:34 pm

Well Heathrow is bigger... good point about the hospital.
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:40 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
Well Heathrow is bigger... good point about the hospital.


Bigger doesn't mean it's the best option for them. Especially if they may get restricted on departure timing vs. MAN.
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 5:58 pm

All this talk of LHR. LHR is slot restrained. Maybe get in but good luck getting out of LHR. MAN is the most sensible TATL diversion point; brilliant facilities of the NHS; Hospital no longer then 5/10 minutes away, practically its own paramedic service and a quick swift turn around and EH will be out of there. Good luck getting a slot out of LHR for a divert. I've VERY RARLEY seen a divert to LHR.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 6:01 pm

Yeah. LHR is prob better for engine failures bc of the long rwy.
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 6:09 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
Yeah. LHR is prob better for engine failures bc of the long rwy.


U.K. aviation doesn’t start and end at LHR.

Each divert is decided on the circumstance at the time.

Hijack or potential bomb threat, that will see you at STN. If STN is no good, then PIK.
Tech or medical issue: most end up at MAN, DUB or SNN. GLA or PIK are also used at a push.
Urgent issue: get down ASAP.

The main time LHR is used in a divert is if its an American carrier. They have extensive LHR ops so can get pax home. In the U.K., MAN seems to see more diverts than most. It’s the preferred point for LH, AF, EY, EK, SV and SQ amongst others.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 6:18 pm

Wherever they go, they're probably going to need a new crew, as the one on board will most likely run out of hours. Do EY send the 380 to MAN or are they going to have to get a crew together in LHR and send them up ?
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 6:31 pm

LhR has also quite severe weather issues at this moment.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 6:33 pm

Could have used the new found A380 facilities at GLA! (though not convenient for crew or spares!)
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 6:48 pm

by738 wrote:
Could have used the new found A380 facilities at GLA! (though not convenient for crew or spares!)


The timings will have clashed with the scheduled A380 however?
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 6:55 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
Might not have a hospital or EMS on a high enough level there.


Yeah, there are no doctors or hospitals in Iceland. Seriously?
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 6:58 pm

9w748capt wrote:
DALMD80 wrote:
Might not have a hospital or EMS on a high enough level there.


Yeah, there are no doctors or hospitals in Iceland. Seriously?

I meant at SNN.
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 7:44 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
Do they fly to LHR?


Was that a serious question?
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 8:48 pm

DALMD80 wrote:
Yeah. LHR is prob better for engine failures bc of the long rwy.


LHR is not the centre of the universe for Aviation in UK. Quite the opposite. LHR is not used for much.

If your diverting for Medical or Technical issues or otherwise - they'll end up in MAN or PIK - DUB or SNN depending how far you are away from the Irish versus the English/Scottish stations.

If you are president of the US you go to STN and NOT LHR (SHOCK HORROR) and if you are hijacked you are 100% in STN.

MAN handles WAYY more diverts than LHR. The only diverts LHR handles are the BA return from airborne which is understandable and American/Canadian carriers which have a substantial operation at LHR with customer service and engineering presence/cover.

When will people outside of the UK and even inside the UK get this into their minds.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 8:54 pm

Nickd92 wrote:

MAN handles WAYY more diverts than LHR.


Can you share the stats on this please? Would make interesting reading.

Thanks

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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 9:07 pm

bananaboy wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:

MAN handles WAYY more diverts than LHR.


Can you share the stats on this please? Would make interesting reading.

Thanks

Mark


While I don’t need have the exact dates and times to had:

TATL wise:
Lufthansa has diverted several A380 MAN (the LH441 in particular has made at least 4 visits to MAN). In addition to this, LH has dropped in with several A330/A340/B744 and one B747-8.
Air France has dropped an A380, B772 and A332 in.
Delta has had period where their BOM and TLV flights have dropped in.
KLM has used MAN, as has Air Transat, Kuwait, PIA and Qatar
Emirates is also a frequent user of MAN for diverts.

MAN also takes in its fair share of LHR and LGW diverts. Singapore, Malaysian And BA have all sent their A380 up to MAN. AA, BA, VS, AC, TG, QF, UA, D8, SV, DL, EY, EK, QR and more have all sent plenty of aircraft to MAN when LHR can’t take them. I won’t bother listing the short haul stuff as it would be one long list.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 9:14 pm

You’d wonder what medical emergency is significant enough to divert but is okay to not go to KEF and fly two hours more to MAN.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Wed May 08, 2019 9:18 pm

Nickd92 wrote:
DALMD80 wrote:
Yeah. LHR is prob better for engine failures bc of the long rwy.


LHR is not the centre of the universe for Aviation in UK. Quite the opposite. LHR is not used for much.

If your diverting for Medical or Technical issues or otherwise - they'll end up in MAN or PIK - DUB or SNN depending how far you are away from the Irish versus the English/Scottish stations.

If you are president of the US you go to STN and NOT LHR (SHOCK HORROR) and if you are hijacked you are 100% in STN.

MAN handles WAYY more diverts than LHR. The only diverts LHR handles are the BA return from airborne which is understandable and American/Canadian carriers which have a substantial operation at LHR with customer service and engineering presence/cover.

When will people outside of the UK and even inside the UK get this into their minds.



I guess about the same time people get out of their heads that JFK, LAX, SFO, and MIA are the only major US airports, or US cities worth flying to. That said, was on American once from FRA-DFW and we had a medical diversion to GLA.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Thu May 09, 2019 12:39 am

Nickd92 wrote:
All this talk of LHR. LHR is slot restrained. Maybe get in but good luck getting out of LHR. MAN is the most sensible TATL diversion point; brilliant facilities of the NHS; Hospital no longer then 5/10 minutes away, practically its own paramedic service and a quick swift turn around and EH will be out of there. Good luck getting a slot out of LHR for a divert. I've VERY RARLEY seen a divert to LHR.


No practically about it, MAN has its own 24/7 NHS paramedic solo responder. For diverts they will ring in a regular ambulance also so they are able to transport.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Thu May 09, 2019 4:56 am

I used to work as Cabin Crew for EY. Something very similar happened on AUH-SFO that I worked about 2 or 3 years ago. We were way over the Atlantic but ended up turning around and diverting to MAN due to a medical emergency - pregnant woman experiencing a miscarriage. We ended up timing out and EY sent the pax to a hotel for about 10 hours and did the same with us. We worked the flight to SFO later that evening with all the same pax. Was very tiring and stressful but the passengers were wonderful.
 
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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to LHR ?

Thu May 09, 2019 5:48 am

DALMD80 wrote:
Yikes. Hope everyone's alright. Also- why not divert to Newfoundland. Could be going to SNN as well. Can someone let me know why they're diverting?


DALMD80 wrote:
Delta777Jet wrote:
I’ve just seen Etihad A-380 (A6-APJ) from Abu Dhabi nonstop to New York/JFK turn around just after passing Iceland . What’s the reason why ? Medical would have rerouted to KEF and it was only 3:30 from JFK so why fly 2 hours to MAN instead ????

If the field can't handle an A380, they won't go there. They have a medical kit onboard, should be enough to keep the victim stable.


DALMD80 wrote:
Might not have a hospital or EMS on a high enough level there.


DALMD80 wrote:
Yeah. Although at that point, why not go to LHR?


DALMD80 wrote:
Do they fly to LHR?


DALMD80 wrote:
Well Heathrow is bigger... good point about the hospital.


DALMD80 wrote:
Yeah. LHR is prob better for engine failures bc of the long rwy.


DALMD80 wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
DALMD80 wrote:
Might not have a hospital or EMS on a high enough level there.


Yeah, there are no doctors or hospitals in Iceland. Seriously?

I meant at SNN.


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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to LHR ?

Thu May 09, 2019 9:25 am

b747400erf wrote:
DALMD80 wrote:
Yikes. Hope everyone's alright. Also- why not divert to Newfoundland. Could be going to SNN as well. Can someone let me know why they're diverting?


DALMD80 wrote:
Delta777Jet wrote:
I’ve just seen Etihad A-380 (A6-APJ) from Abu Dhabi nonstop to New York/JFK turn around just after passing Iceland . What’s the reason why ? Medical would have rerouted to KEF and it was only 3:30 from JFK so why fly 2 hours to MAN instead ????

If the field can't handle an A380, they won't go there. They have a medical kit onboard, should be enough to keep the victim stable.


DALMD80 wrote:
Might not have a hospital or EMS on a high enough level there.


DALMD80 wrote:
Yeah. Although at that point, why not go to LHR?


DALMD80 wrote:
Do they fly to LHR?


DALMD80 wrote:
Well Heathrow is bigger... good point about the hospital.


DALMD80 wrote:
Yeah. LHR is prob better for engine failures bc of the long rwy.


DALMD80 wrote:
9w748capt wrote:

Yeah, there are no doctors or hospitals in Iceland. Seriously?

I meant at SNN.


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Re: EY 101 AUH-JFK diverting to Manchester

Fri May 10, 2019 4:50 pm

User001 wrote:
by738 wrote:
Could have used the new found A380 facilities at GLA! (though not convenient for crew or spares!)


The timings will have clashed with the scheduled A380 however?


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