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12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 10:00 am

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MIRABEL - To celebrate that the 12,000th Airbus will be delivered this month, the manufacturer had an A220-100 fly in a special pattern at the factory in Mirabel, Canada.

During the nearly four-hour flight, the pilots "wrote" the numbers and letter "12K" (the abbreviation of 12,000) with their escape route. The aircraft that was used for this is also the twelfth Airbus A220 for Delta Air Lines.

It is not known whether this is actually the 12,000th aircraft. The most recently published Airbus order book states that 11,995 aircraft were delivered on 30 April. Of these, 10,926 are still operational.

Best year ever
In terms of deliveries, 2019 will probably be the best year ever for Airbus, with an expected 880 to 890 aircraft. This is partly because the manufacturer increases the production pace of the A320 and A330neo.

Regarding the number of orders, the picture is slightly less rosy: in four months, the order book has already shrunk with around 300 devices, since there are hardly any new orders. But Airbus still has work for eight years, so that's no big deal.


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That is amazing: out of the11,995 aircraft delivered, 10,926 are still operation? Can't believe that.
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 10:12 am

When that first A300 took to the skies on 28th October 1972, nobody would have thought that Airbus would ever deliver 12,000 planes!

Congratulations. :champagne:
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 10:39 am

Well, the location for this celebration feels a bit odd, to be honest ;)
 
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 10:42 am

Should be over Toulouse or Hamburg.
 
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 10:47 am

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Should be over Toulouse or Hamburg.


My guess is it was just a friendly message for everyone in Airbus. A220 is an Airbus aircraft and this is a part of a good integration.
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Thu May 09, 2019 10:52 am

LaunchDetected wrote:
Noshow wrote:
Should be over Toulouse or Hamburg.


My guess is it was just a friendly message for everyone in Airbus. A220 is an Airbus aircraft and this is a part of a good integration.


A220 is a lot more Canadian before being an Airbus a/c !!
 
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 10:54 am

anshabhi wrote:
A220 is a lot more Canadian before being an Airbus a/c !!


I understand what you are trying to express but for the people working in the Mirabel Plant and for the other Airbus employees, the A220 is a part of the family and is considered as such in the official communication. And you can be Canadian while working for Airbus.

Whether it pleases to the average a.netter or not.
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 11:12 am

scbriml wrote:
When that first A300 took to the skies on 28th October 1972, nobody would have thought that Airbus would ever deliver 12,000 planes!

Congratulations. :champagne:

Agreed.

Then again, the aviation world has changed beyond all recognition since that time
IIRC back in 1972 the only aircraft with more than 1,000 sales was the Boeing 707, and only because the USAF bought hundreds of KC-135s.
These days, if you don't sell at least 1,000 units your design is considered a commercial failure. :o

Take another example; in 1972 Icelandair boasted a fleet consisting of one Boeing 727-100, and a couple of F-27.
Now I read they are planning on sizing up from 33 to 50 aircraft, every one a Boeing 737 MAX 8 (or larger)

Iceland's entire population is only 359,000! With FI's increased capacity, after the morning departures rush at KEF, will there be anybody left at home?


Congrats to Airbus.

A thought; next time, wait for a clear blue sky, make the pattern smaller, and position a camera on the ground to take time-lapse photographs showing the vapour trail as it develops.... I should © that idea. :scratchchin:
(I think it's been done before; Howard Hughes had Jane Russell's boobs writ large in the sky over LA - or did I just imagine that.....)
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 11:32 am

Congratulations to them!
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 11:34 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
scbriml wrote:
When that first A300 took to the skies on 28th October 1972, nobody would have thought that Airbus would ever deliver 12,000 planes!

Congratulations. :champagne:

Agreed.

Then again, the aviation world has changed beyond all recognition since that time
IIRC back in 1972 the only aircraft with more than 1,000 sales was the Boeing 707, and only because the USAF bought hundreds of KC-135s.
These days, if you don't sell at least 1,000 units your design is considered a commercial failure. :o

Take another example; in 1972 Icelandair boasted a fleet consisting of one Boeing 727-100, and a couple of F-27.
Now I read they are planning on sizing up from 33 to 50 aircraft, every one a Boeing 737 MAX 8 (or larger)

Iceland's entire population is only 359,000! With FI's increased capacity, after the morning departures rush at KEF, will there be anybody left at home?


Congrats to Airbus.

A thought; next time, wait for a clear blue sky, make the pattern smaller, and position a camera on the ground to take time-lapse photographs showing the vapour trail as it develops.... I should © that idea. :scratchchin:
(I think it's been done before; Howard Hughes had Jane Russell's boobs writ large in the sky over LA - or did I just imagine that.....)


There were 1010 707s delivered including military, but the KC-135 isn’t in that tally. Completely different aircraft family.
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 11:47 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
scbriml wrote:
When that first A300 took to the skies on 28th October 1972, nobody would have thought that Airbus would ever deliver 12,000 planes!

Congratulations. :champagne:

Agreed.

Then again, the aviation world has changed beyond all recognition since that time
IIRC back in 1972 the only aircraft with more than 1,000 sales was the Boeing 707, and only because the USAF bought hundreds of KC-135s.
These days, if you don't sell at least 1,000 units your design is considered a commercial failure. :o

Take another example; in 1972 Icelandair boasted a fleet consisting of one Boeing 727-100, and a couple of F-27.
Now I read they are planning on sizing up from 33 to 50 aircraft, every one a Boeing 737 MAX 8 (or larger)

Iceland's entire population is only 359,000! With FI's increased capacity, after the morning departures rush at KEF, will there be anybody left at home?


Congrats to Airbus.

A thought; next time, wait for a clear blue sky, make the pattern smaller, and position a camera on the ground to take time-lapse photographs showing the vapour trail as it develops.... I should © that idea. :scratchchin:
(I think it's been done before; Howard Hughes had Jane Russell's boobs writ large in the sky over LA - or did I just imagine that.....)

As note, over a thousand commercial plus the KC-135s.

Today economy of scale is required. Small airlines need MROs, flight training, and ready parts. The fraction of aircraft as backup is tiny today. It takes scale to reduce costs. Partially, in inflation adjusted dollars, fares are incredibly low.

Who predicted an airport flying over 100 million passengers a year? China's growth? Globalization?


I'm probably one of a few who like Airbus' latest aircraft doing the celebration!

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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 1:24 pm

scbriml wrote:
When that first A300 took to the skies on 28th October 1972, nobody would have thought that Airbus would ever deliver 12,000 planes!
Congratulations. :champagne:

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
IIRC back in 1972 the only aircraft with more than 1,000 sales was the Boeing 707, and only because the USAF bought hundreds of KC-135s.
These days, if you don't sell at least 1,000 units your design is considered a commercial failure. :o

Spacepope wrote:
There were 1010 707s delivered including military, but the KC-135 isn’t in that tally. Completely different aircraft family.

lightsaber wrote:
As note, over a thousand commercial plus the KC-135s.

LOL - If the pair of you are going to be that picky...
In 1972...…. nobody had sold over 1,000 of a single model! (unless you want to go back to the C-47)
It was only some years later that the 707 finally cracked the "magic" 1,000, and then only by including numbers from the 720 derivative.

Wikipedia clearly distinguishes between the two variants, crediting the 707 with 865 delivered, whilst the 720 warrants a separate entry with 154 units.

Meanwhile, by the time the 707/720 had crawled through the 1,000 mark, the much more popular 727 had sailed through on to a much higher number, so <raspberries> to both of you... :D
(Note for younger viewers; the 737 was on the scene at this time, but struggled for sales and was a bit of an ugly duckling :lol: )

Lightsaber wrote:
I'm probably one of a few who like Airbus' latest aircraft doing the celebration!

I don't mind particularly, except it is only their latest aircraft by acquisition; Bombardier were working on it since 1998.

It is also slightly odd to make the pattern with an aircraft from Mirabel instead of Toulouse, but I suspect that was simply a practical consideration; the airspace over Europe is invariably more congested than most of Canada.
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Thu May 09, 2019 1:28 pm

Dutchy wrote:
That is amazing: out of the11,995 aircraft delivered, 10,926 are still operation? Can't believe that.

Well, after calculating the entire day, making cross-checks, peer-reviews and so on I came to the conclusion that .... hmmm .... :scratchchin: ....1,069 aircraft are no longer in operation.
I think that's correct: almost all A310s, many A300s, some A320s, many A340s and at least two A380s (... plus aircraft that have been lost in accidents, unfortunately).
 
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Thu May 09, 2019 1:52 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
It is also slightly odd to make the pattern with an aircraft from Mirabel instead of Toulouse, but I suspect that was simply a practical consideration; the airspace over Europe is invariably more congested than most of Canada.


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Thu May 09, 2019 2:38 pm

A big congratulation to Airbus, all employees! Also impressed by brave decision-making by European countries back in the days that Airbus was established.
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Thu May 09, 2019 3:24 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
It is also slightly odd to make the pattern with an aircraft from Mirabel instead of Toulouse, but I suspect that was simply a practical consideration; the airspace over Europe is invariably more congested than most of Canada.

It could also be a huge PR stunt:
- the late Bombardier CSeries is now an Airbus product (A220), even if by acquisition;
- Airbus is committed (at least for now) to Mirabel;
- and, maybe overthinking here, but it could also show the neighbor of the South (US, and mainly Boeing) that this little airplane is alive and well.

Marketing & PR people do spend hours/days planning things like this, with plenty of hidden messages.
 
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Thu May 09, 2019 3:42 pm

Congrats to Airbus - I remember stepping onto an EA A-300 way back when they first went into service and wondering what the heck kind of plane is this? Had never heard of Airbus - and look at them now. A great success story for sure
 
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Fri May 10, 2019 6:49 am

anshabhi wrote:
A220 is a lot more Canadian before being an Airbus a/c !!


CAN is Airbus family now, and they show it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyGY2NfYpeE

Is this in a way also a political statement? Canada looking more to Europe than the US?
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Fri May 10, 2019 6:58 am

N14AZ wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
That is amazing: out of the11,995 aircraft delivered, 10,926 are still operation? Can't believe that.

Well, after calculating the entire day, making cross-checks, peer-reviews and so on I came to the conclusion that .... hmmm .... :scratchchin: ....1,069 aircraft are no longer in operation.
I think that's correct: almost all A310s, many A300s, some A320s, many A340s and at least two A380s (... plus aircraft that have been lost in accidents, unfortunately).



kuddos to you for checking. Did you save a breakdown in models?
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Fri May 10, 2019 7:28 am

as a comparision, dpes anyone know the total number of boeing aircraft delivered to total still in use
 
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Fri May 10, 2019 11:11 am

meesh42 wrote:
as a comparision, dpes anyone know the total number of boeing aircraft delivered to total still in use

That would be rather problematical; for instance where do you start?

I can be fairly certain that out of the 75 Boeing 247 delivered, precisely zero are still in service.....(although N13347 is apparently still airworthy!)

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Fri May 24, 2019 5:32 pm

A awesome accomplishment from Airbus! Congratulations to them and the A220 aircraft!
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Fri May 24, 2019 5:56 pm

Dutchy wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
That is amazing: out of the11,995 aircraft delivered, 10,926 are still operation? Can't believe that.

Well, after calculating the entire day, making cross-checks, peer-reviews and so on I came to the conclusion that .... hmmm .... :scratchchin: ....1,069 aircraft are no longer in operation.
I think that's correct: almost all A310s, many A300s, some A320s, many A340s and at least two A380s (... plus aircraft that have been lost in accidents, unfortunately).



kuddos to you for checking. Did you save a breakdown in models?


That actually makes sense. Anything pre-320 family is mostly gone now, so the 10,000+ are probably heavily weighted to the 320 family; and of those, I'm guessing that the median age is surprisingly low, given how output has increased over the last decade. They're producing 60-70 320 family / month, and they delivered 800 aircraft last year - that's the same as the entire production run for both the A300 (561) and A310 (255) (figures from wikipedia, but I'm sure they're close if not completly accurate).

Look at it this way: at a rate of 800 aircraft / yr, 50% of the 10,000+ still flying were delivered within 7 years. Even if the rate was slower in years past, that's still a young worldwide fleet.
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 6:10 pm

meesh42 wrote:
as a comparision, dpes anyone know the total number of boeing aircraft delivered to total still in use


As others said, that would be no comparison at all. The war production alone is probably more than Airbus ever delivered and none would be in service. If you want to compare the two, you should only include Boeings build after 1974, first delivery to Air France. but again that wouldn't be anything to draw any conclusion on. Boeing's production rate has been much higher for most of the last 45 years.
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Fri May 24, 2019 6:14 pm

WIederling wrote:
CAN is Airbus family now, and they show it ?

Evidently.....

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WIederling wrote:
Is this in a way also a political statement? Canada looking more to Europe than the US?

More like a commercial one...with them selling the planes onward to Delta in America. :smile:
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Fri May 24, 2019 6:15 pm

Dutchy wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
That is amazing: out of the11,995 aircraft delivered, 10,926 are still operation? Can't believe that.

Well, after calculating the entire day, making cross-checks, peer-reviews and so on I came to the conclusion that .... hmmm .... :scratchchin: ....1,069 aircraft are no longer in operation.
I think that's correct: almost all A310s, many A300s, some A320s, many A340s and at least two A380s (... plus aircraft that have been lost in accidents, unfortunately).

kuddos to you for checking. Did you save a breakdown in models?

A300 -324, 237 still in service
A310 -185, 70 in service
A320 -400, 8456 in service
A330 -38, 1408 in service
A340 -120, 257 in service
A350 0, 265 in service
A380 -2, 233 in service
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 6:20 pm

YYZYYT wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Well, after calculating the entire day, making cross-checks, peer-reviews and so on I came to the conclusion that .... hmmm .... :scratchchin: ....1,069 aircraft are no longer in operation.
I think that's correct: almost all A310s, many A300s, some A320s, many A340s and at least two A380s (... plus aircraft that have been lost in accidents, unfortunately).



kuddos to you for checking. Did you save a breakdown in models?


That actually makes sense. Anything pre-320 family is mostly gone now, so the 10,000+ are probably heavily weighted to the 320 family; and of those, I'm guessing that the median age is surprisingly low, given how output has increased over the last decade. They're producing 60-70 320 family / month, and they delivered 800 aircraft last year - that's the same as the entire production run for both the A300 (561) and A310 (255) (figures from wikipedia, but I'm sure they're close if not completly accurate).

Look at it this way: at a rate of 800 aircraft / yr, 50% of the 10,000+ still flying were delivered within 7 years. Even if the rate was slower in years past, that's still a young worldwide fleet.


There is the one and only source for Orders, Deliveries and Operates for Airbus‘ aircraft with regular updates every month;-)
https://www.airbus.com/aircraft/market/ ... eries.html
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 6:40 pm

sciing wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Well, after calculating the entire day, making cross-checks, peer-reviews and so on I came to the conclusion that .... hmmm .... :scratchchin: ....1,069 aircraft are no longer in operation.
I think that's correct: almost all A310s, many A300s, some A320s, many A340s and at least two A380s (... plus aircraft that have been lost in accidents, unfortunately).

kuddos to you for checking. Did you save a breakdown in models?

A300 -324, 237 still in service
A310 -185, 70 in service
A320 -400, 8456 in service
A330 -38, 1408 in service
A340 -120, 257 in service
A350 0, 265 in service
A380 -2, 233 in service


Cool, thanks for this.
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Fri May 24, 2019 9:23 pm

Do any of the recent CSeries deliveries have A220 titles on them?
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 10:04 pm

In my mind 12,000 is about longevity, loyalty, dependability, that is not the latest and greatest but what took place in Europe, even if a one day delay in production somewhere in the world was required, this honor should have gone to somewhere in Europe with whichever frame, it about the builders not the latest and greatest. If we agree that the A220 is now standing on the legacy of the A300 / A320 etc. then the honor should have gone to Europe.
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 10:33 pm

Marketing bull for the masses. Clearly they didn't build them. They just bought them.
I will say same thing when one of the Nth Embraers erm Boeings takes off with similar sticker.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 3:21 am

PixelPilot wrote:
Marketing bull for the masses. Clearly they didn't build them. They just bought them.
I will say same thing when one of the Nth Embraers erm Boeings takes off with similar sticker.


So every “Nth” Bombardier CRJ is still really a Canadair product?

They just bought them.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 9:23 am

I'm really happy to see the new baby in the Airbus family getting some love. Aside from it being the 12,000th Airbus aircraft, it is also a marvellous one and can do really well once fully integrated into the Airbus portfolio with their production methodology. And this display (using the A220) is a wonderful and - and possibly even necessary - step in the integration process.
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Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

Sat May 25, 2019 12:22 pm

anshabhi wrote:
LaunchDetected wrote:
Noshow wrote:
Should be over Toulouse or Hamburg.


My guess is it was just a friendly message for everyone in Airbus. A220 is an Airbus aircraft and this is a part of a good integration.


A220 is a lot more Canadian before being an Airbus a/c !!


Indeed the A220 is a lot more Canadian before being an Airbus a/c but with its wings designed and manufactured in the UK with risk sharing partners spread across Europe (Belgium, Czech Republic and Italy as far as the wings are concerned), it has an Airbus flavor in the way it is made. Some of these suppliers are also long standing suppliers of Airbus. The supply chain of the A220 must seem quite familiar to Airbus.

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