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Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:30 pm
by Dutchy
Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet

DOHA - Qatar Airways will drastically simplify its fleet, CEO Akbar has already revealed Baker in an interview with the Gulf Times. Following the Airbus A340-600 and A380, the A330, A320 and A319 also have to leave the field.

In 2014, the Doha airline was still the world's first airline to fly with all Airbuses in production. In the meantime, she seems to prefer a simpler, maintenance-efficient fleet.

Al Baker reported earlier that the 10 A380s will go out of service from 2024. The last A340-600 was also retired last month. The company had four of those aircraft in the fleet.

Now the CEO has also announced the departure of the 27 A330s, 32 A320s and 2 A319s. Qatar Airways will replace the A330 in the coming three years with the Boeing 787 and Airbus A350. The A321 will be the only narrow-body device.

Part of the A330s will in any case go to subsidiary Air Italy. In return, Italian society will no longer receive 787 Dreamliners from Qatar Airways, as was previously intended.


Source in Dutch

Apparently the Boeing 737 MAX will not be taken into the fleet, so the order for 15 planes will probably be canceled. Fleet rational is a good thing I guess for business, but it is a shame that there will only be 3 types in the fleet of Qatar.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:33 pm
by 716131
Wow. So retiring A320's and A330's will be a good decision. I think their A320's are pretty small on capacity and the A330's are getting older. So replacing it is a good news. Oh, but with Air Italy will not take 787's was not a good news. But, It's still fine since Air Italy would get A330's from Qatar instead.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:46 pm
by avier
Net net, they'd still have more variants than big neighbour EK. This after accounting for all the sub-variants too (like 787-8/9). So diverse fleet lovers, no need to cry.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:48 pm
by eal
What about the 777X order?

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:27 pm
by Dutchy
eal wrote:
What about the 777X order?


No mention of it, so they might be canceled as well, who knows.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:29 pm
by Aviation737
So is Qatar still gonna receive the 787s that were meant for Air Italy?

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:34 pm
by randomdude83
Air Italy wasn’t going to receive new 787. Qatar planned on leasing them the existing 787-8 once qatar received the -9 but instead they made the decision to keep the 787-8 and lease them the a330s they want to get rid of which make sense for fleet rationalization

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:35 pm
by randomdude83
Dutchy wrote:
eal wrote:
What about the 777X order?


No mention of it, so they might be canceled as well, who knows.



Nah they’ll take them and use them to replace a380 and existing 77W

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:38 pm
by Dutchy
Aviation737 wrote:
So is Qatar still gonna receive the 787s that were meant for Air Italy?


I think so, if indeed the 737MAX and the 77X orders are canceled, then there already is a massive reduction in orders.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:45 pm
by acavpics
It would be a wise decision for them to trim their 777-9X order in half. I don't see the need for 50 of these plane. Akbar Al Baker should return his airline to profitability before placing such large orders for high capacity jets. Most of their 77W's are fairly new. They are getting close to 40 A350-1000's. Therefore, ordering all these 779's would just be dumping excess capacity.

But why are they getting rid of A320's, these jets are the backbone of their short haul flights to lower demand markets?

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:52 pm
by Dutchy
acavpics wrote:
It would be a wise decision for them to trim their 777-9X order in half. I don't see the need for 50 of these plane. Akbar Al Baker should return his airline to profitability before placing such large orders for high capacity jets. Most of their 77W's are fairly new. They are getting close to 40 A350-1000's. Therefore, ordering all these 779's would just be dumping excess capacity.

But why are they getting rid of A320's, these jets are the backbone of their short haul flights to lower demand markets?


I don't see any need for the 777X, they would be better of increasing the A350-1000 fleets and standardize on the 787 and A350.

As for the A320, they only seem to have A321NEO/LR on order, so no A320. Akbar al Baker seem to be talking about five years from now or so.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:53 pm
by lightsaber
QR had a crazy diverse fleet. Rationalization is key. Perhaps the same economics that is forcing EK to perform a strategic review of the fleet and forced EY to rationalize is impacting QR?

IMHO the new ISL (Istanbul), SAW expansion, and continued growth if ET is dramatically changing the ME3 economics.

Lightsaber

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:54 pm
by enilria
Dutchy wrote:
Italian society will no longer receive 787 Dreamliners from Qatar Airways, as was previously intended.

They may wag their handkerchiefs from their carriage in protest!
Dutchy wrote:
Al Baker reported earlier that the 10 A380s will go out of service from 2024.

Getting the A380 was a poor decision for them in the first place. It was 100% a keeping up with the Joneses move that wasted a lot of capital.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:55 pm
by triple3driver
Surprising on the A321, it's a fairly large aircraft considering O&D travel within the Middle East. I wonder if it refers to the NEO or both the CEO and the NEO?

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:56 pm
by MoreMiles
Wait till the Paris Airshow. He may have a new fleet planning strategy. AAB is known make multiple U turns.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:58 pm
by VSMUT
acavpics wrote:
But why are they getting rid of A320's, these jets are the backbone of their short haul flights to lower demand markets?


They will be replaced with the A321NEO, which was the plan for some time now. A slight increase in capacity, but shouldn't be too big an issue for them.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 2:59 pm
by Dutchy
lightsaber wrote:
QR had a crazy diverse fleet. Rationalization is key. Perhaps the same economics that is forcing EK to perform a strategic review of the fleet and forced EY to rationalize is impacting QR?

IMHO the new ISL (Istanbul), SAW expansion, and continued growth if ET is dramatically changing the ME3 economics.

Lightsaber


I think, you are right. Too much capacity and Turkish Airlines is also expending. So a little rationalization isn't bad.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 3:00 pm
by Slash787
triple3driver wrote:
Surprising on the A321, it's a fairly large aircraft considering O&D travel within the Middle East. I wonder if it refers to the NEO or both the CEO and the NEO?


They have 40 A321neo and 10 A321LR on order and they only have 6 A321CEO, so I am sure the CEO will retire and in total they will have 50 A321NEO's which will replace 42 CEO aircrafts.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 6:27 pm
by frigatebird
Dutchy wrote:
eal wrote:
What about the 777X order?


No mention of it, so they might be canceled as well, who knows.

Wrong, the article quotes AAB as follows: “from 2024, our fleet will consist of Boeing 777 and 787, and Airbus A350 and A321 aircraft.”.

It’s the 737MAX which isn’t mentioned. Earlier, AAB said the 777X will replace their A380.

I know you are hoping for 777X cancellations, but don’t make things up please.

Not too sure about the 787-8 with QR after 2024, they earlier mentioned these aircraft would be retired at 12 years old.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 7:49 pm
by marcogr12
The A321 is too big an aircraft for many a QR market especially during winter season when passenger loads fall considerably..In the Balkan regions QR flights have 50-70pax on a A320,which is configured in a very spacious layout compared to the 174-180 eurostandard..Imagine on A321..I can understand the cost of operating the A319 but the A320 and the A320Neo is a different ballgame..

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 8:50 pm
by jghealey
marcogr12 wrote:
The A321 is too big an aircraft for many a QR market especially during winter season when passenger loads fall considerably..In the Balkan regions QR flights have 50-70pax on a A320,which is configured in a very spacious layout compared to the 174-180 eurostandard..Imagine on A321..I can understand the cost of operating the A319 but the A320 and the A320Neo is a different ballgame..

The A321neo will allow them to offer a superior business class product on their shorter routes and the A321LR will help them open longer and thinner routes not currently served by 787 or a320. The A321neo's fuel savings means its operating costs are probably similar to the smaller a320.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 9:02 pm
by Dutchy
frigatebird wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
eal wrote:
What about the 777X order?


No mention of it, so they might be canceled as well, who knows.

Wrong, the article quotes AAB as follows: “from 2024, our fleet will consist of Boeing 777 and 787, and Airbus A350 and A321 aircraft.”.

It’s the 737MAX which isn’t mentioned. Earlier, AAB said the 777X will replace their A380.

I know you are hoping for 777X cancellations, but don’t make things up please.

Not too sure about the 787-8 with QR after 2024, they earlier mentioned these aircraft would be retired at 12 years old.


Sorry my bad, the 777x is indeed in their plans.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 11:53 pm
by marcogr12
jghealey wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
The A321 is too big an aircraft for many a QR market especially during winter season when passenger loads fall considerably..In the Balkan regions QR flights have 50-70pax on a A320,which is configured in a very spacious layout compared to the 174-180 eurostandard..Imagine on A321..I can understand the cost of operating the A319 but the A320 and the A320Neo is a different ballgame..

The A321neo will allow them to offer a superior business class product on their shorter routes and the A321LR will help them open longer and thinner routes not currently served by 787 or a320. The A321neo's fuel savings means its operating costs are probably similar to the smaller a320.

No matter how efficient it is,they still need pax to profitably fill the plane..I doubt a 30% LF is the way to do it..They need smaller efficient planes that fly far like the A220-300,for the thin routes..The one type-fleet model is not always successfully applicable in all cases

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:19 am
by LH658
I don't sit at QR HQ, though I thought the A320 were perfect for smaller markets in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Balkans, and Africa.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:37 am
by acavpics
I'm not sure if the 777-9X should completely be ruled out. A lot of the routes that receive 77W's right now such as BOS, JFK, ORD have high load factors even during non-peak seasons. And if the A350-100, would replace 777-300ER's on these routes, then there would be a reduction in capacity

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:37 am
by grbauc
Dutchy wrote:
eal wrote:
What about the 777X order?


No mention of it, so they might be canceled as well, who knows.



Thanks for this tread but what a silly comment.

"no mention of it" :confused: so we don't know> then we get from you "so they might be canceled as well" :stirthepot: then " who knows" :white:

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 1:01 am
by AlexBrewster03
Quick question, but will the 777-8s replace the 777-200LR? Seems like the logical thing to do...

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 4:27 am
by aemoreira1981
QR should also take this opportunity to renew its QAF fleet as well. The A340s at QAF aren't getting any younger. That fleet could be simplified around the A321ceo from QR (converted to a VIP configuration with sharklets added), the B748s, and 5 B789s from the QR order (replacing the A332s and A340s). Then the mainline fleet could concentrate around four core models: A321neo, A350, B777, and B787.

I still see QR taking the Boeing 777-8, as they will need something that can do a route like DOH-AKL (which right now, only the B77L can do). The B777-9 though...with so many B77Ws in the fleet, is there a place for that?

Yes the A321neo will be bigger than an A320, but I could see those planes being equipped with 12 QSuite seats each...to match the long-haul product. The idea could be to offer a uniform product regardless of plane. I would be shocked if some of the non-LR order is not converted to LR.

As for the MAX 8 order (which was intended for IG; some of that has already been taken under sale-leasebacks), I still see that happening for them only, along with secondhand A332s; however, QR should consider a wide-body order for them as well---perhaps a top-up B788 order.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 5:08 am
by seabosdca
You can't apply normal fleet planning ideas to QR. For as long as the current, well, disagreement between Qatar and essentially all of its Arabian Peninsula neighbors persists, there will be a geopolitical imperative for QR to continue ordering aircraft from both Airbus and Boeing at a rapid pace. No doubt that need gives the airline a lot of flexibility to rationalize fleet over time, so long as both OEMs remain well represented.

Given that very expensive constraint, which should be considered more a defense expense of the Qatari state than an expense of the airline, AAB's fleet plan actually makes a lot of sense. (And that's not something I tend to say about his decisions!) The combination of 787-9, both variants of A350, and 777-9 in the widebody arena makes it easy to adjust capacity incrementally as needed. The A321neo is the best narrowbody on the market.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 5:32 am
by Qatara340
marcogr12 wrote:
The A321 is too big an aircraft for many a QR market especially during winter season when passenger loads fall considerably..In the Balkan regions QR flights have 50-70pax on a A320,which is configured in a very spacious layout compared to the 174-180 eurostandard..Imagine on A321..I can understand the cost of operating the A319 but the A320 and the A320Neo is a different ballgame..


The A321 is too big for some routes, BUT Qatar can rely on it for cargo; as it carries a lot more Cargo than the A320. After the Blockade, all of the perishable foods now arrive via air and the rest via the sea. The A321 will also be able to fly to places where the 787 is too big of a plane. Its a versatile aircraft.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 5:34 am
by frigatebird
grbauc wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
eal wrote:
What about the 777X order?


No mention of it, so they might be canceled as well, who knows.



Thanks for this tread but what a silly comment.

"no mention of it" :confused: so we don't know> then we get from you "so they might be canceled as well" :stirthepot: then " who knows" :white:

It was an oversight by the OP, already acknowlodged. The 777 features in QR’s plans.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 6:09 am
by Asiaflyer
Dutchy wrote:

Apparently the Boeing 737 MAX will not be taken into the fleet, so the order for 15 planes will probably be canceled. Fleet rational is a good thing I guess for business, but it is a shame that there will only be 3 types in the fleet of Qatar.


There was never any room or need for 737 MAX in QRs fleet.
The 737 order was placed when AAB had one of his famous outbursts against Airbus and not based on logic or analysis.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:50 am
by MoKa777
Slash787 wrote:
so I am sure the CEO will retire


If only...

Haha!

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 8:14 am
by Jomar777
The reality for Qatar Airways is that it does not need at present a fleet of A320s and A319s since the blockade on the MIddle East. They used to fly a lot of those to Bahrain, KSA and UAE.

They will use their 788s and A321s for the medium haul adjusting their schedule according to O&D. One of the reasons that they are opening so many routes is that they have plenty of aircrafts available due to the blockade.

Once the blockade goes (not any time soon) they may consider returining to the A320s size of aircraft but maybe through their low cost arm.

Until then, it makes no sense since these cannot be deployed on a lot of long routes whereas the 788 can fly short and long routes for them (and so the A321).

As for the A380s, I believe that they should indeed be replaced by the B77X but this order should be trimmed since the B789 and A350s (A359 and A35k)will be able to cater for most of their routes.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 10:04 am
by frigatebird
Qatara340 wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
The A321 is too big an aircraft for many a QR market especially during winter season when passenger loads fall considerably..In the Balkan regions QR flights have 50-70pax on a A320,which is configured in a very spacious layout compared to the 174-180 eurostandard..Imagine on A321..I can understand the cost of operating the A319 but the A320 and the A320Neo is a different ballgame..


The A321 is too big for some routes, BUT Qatar can rely on it for cargo; as it carries a lot more Cargo than the A320. After the Blockade, all of the perishable foods now arrive via air and the rest via the sea. The A321 will also be able to fly to places where the 787 is too big of a plane. Its a versatile aircraft.


And the A321neo is probably cheaper to fly than an A320ceo (I cannot back this up with numbers though, just my hunch). But hey, it's AAB, who knows he'll surprise us again, maybe with an A220 order :biggrin:

Jomar777 wrote:
As for the A380s, I believe that they should indeed be replaced by the B77X but this order should be trimmed since the B789 and A350s (A359 and A35k)will be able to cater for most of their routes.

Why? QR ordered the 777X (50x -9 and 10x -8) as replacement for their current 777 fleet (now 48x 77W and 9x 77L). The 787-9 will replace QR's A330s.

I do have a question mark regarding the 777-8 order though. QR has ordered 5 319t A350-1000s, which could make the 777-8 unnecessary. So the -8 order might be converted to -9s, to replace A380s rather than 77L's.

One can wonder when QR's expansion will end, but they've even hinted at another order at Paris, so AAB still sees enough possibilities I suppose.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 10:13 am
by chiad
So unless more orders are taken QR could end up with following fleet in 2025
Airbus A321neo/LR - 50
Airbus A350-9/1000 - 76
Boeing 777-8/9 - 60
Boeing 787-8/9 - 60
Total - 246

Looks like a good plan to me.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 11:19 am
by Bricktop
chiad wrote:
So unless more orders are taken QR could end up with following fleet in 2025
Airbus A321neo/LR - 50
Airbus A350-9/1000 - 76
Boeing 777-8/9 - 60
Boeing 787-8/9 - 60
Total - 246

Looks like a good plan to me.

Agreed. The only caveat is that we’re talking about AAB.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 11:34 am
by marcogr12
frigatebird wrote:
Qatara340 wrote:
And the A321neo is probably cheaper to fly than an A320ceo (I cannot back this up with numbers though, just my hunch). But hey, it's AAB, who knows he'll surprise us again, maybe with an A220 order :biggrin:


Why? QR ordered the 777X (50x -9 and 10x -8) as replacement for their current 777 fleet (now 48x 77W and 9x 77L). The 787-9 will replace QR's A330s.

I do have a question mark regarding the 777-8 order though. QR has ordered 5 319t A350-1000s, which could make the 777-8 unnecessary. So the -8 order might be converted to -9s, to replace A380s rather than 77L's.

One can wonder when QR's expansion will end, but they've even hinted at another order at Paris, so AAB still sees enough possibilities I suppose.


The A320Neo is also cheaper than the A320ceo and it flies longer range missions.Besides,not all A321s will be LR, but it has been mentioned that cargo is more important than capacity..I was also wondering,whether the A350-1000s are closer to the 777-8 or 777-9s,capacity-wise..? And the A359s do they fall somewhere in between the 787-9 and the 777-8s? Also if cargo is so important to QR,aren't the A333s better cargowise than the 789s?

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 11:54 am
by Bricktop
marcogr12 wrote:
Also if cargo is so important to QR,aren't the A333s better cargowise than the 789s?

QR also has a pretty good sized dedicated cargo operation of 748, 777 and 330s.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 11:59 am
by EChid
chiad wrote:
So unless more orders are taken QR could end up with following fleet in 2025
Airbus A321neo/LR - 50
Airbus A350-9/1000 - 76
Boeing 777-8/9 - 60
Boeing 787-8/9 - 60
Total - 246

Looks like a good plan to me.

Add some 77Ws to that. It's kind of a crazy plan if you consider the fact that the oldest 77Ws are currently 12 years old. Some are only a few months old. I understand that some A380s are being replaced (10) by the 777X, but why are they replacing their 77Ws so early and in such large numbers? This order sheet still seems insane to me. WAY too many 777Xs, and unless more 778 orders come in it's going to be an ugly unicorn to have around.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:05 pm
by aemoreira1981
Bricktop wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Also if cargo is so important to QR,aren't the A333s better cargowise than the 789s?

QR also has a pretty good sized dedicated cargo operation of 748, 777 and 330s.


I can't see those A330 freighters remaining. I see the freighter fleet being 777 and 747, especially if QAF also gets rid of its A330/A340 fleet, which in my opinion, they should, so that there is commonality among the passenger and VIP fleet.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:19 pm
by dtw2hyd
aemoreira1981 wrote:
...
Yes the A321neo will be bigger than an A320, but I could see those planes being equipped with 12 QSuite seats each...to match the long-haul product. The idea could be to offer a uniform product regardless of plane. I would be shocked if some of the non-LR order is not converted to LR.
...


I think you nailed it.

I think AAB's mixed fleet strategy worked for QR, though profit was/will never a goal.

I always had a wet dream of QR starting an LH/ULH scheduled service with G650s. Completely anti-VLA approach. Only premium passengers enjoying the luxury of biz jet, without piggybacking on cattle class.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:31 pm
by Blerg
That's going to be quite a few second hand A330s on the market. I wonder who they might end up with... I am sure they are in impeccable shape.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:35 pm
by aemoreira1981
chiad wrote:
So unless more orders are taken QR could end up with following fleet in 2025
Airbus A321neo/LR - 50
Airbus A350-9/1000 - 76
Boeing 777-8/9 - 60
Boeing 787-8/9 - 60
Total - 246

Looks like a good plan to me.


Also add in the dedicated cargo fleet.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:45 pm
by lightsaber
aemoreira1981 wrote:
chiad wrote:
So unless more orders are taken QR could end up with following fleet in 2025
Airbus A321neo/LR - 50
Airbus A350-9/1000 - 76
Boeing 777-8/9 - 60
Boeing 787-8/9 - 60
Total - 246

Looks like a good plan to me.


Also add in the dedicated cargo fleet.

With the cargo, a sensible fleet.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:54 pm
by frigatebird
EChid wrote:
chiad wrote:
So unless more orders are taken QR could end up with following fleet in 2025
Airbus A321neo/LR - 50
Airbus A350-9/1000 - 76
Boeing 777-8/9 - 60
Boeing 787-8/9 - 60
Total - 246

Looks like a good plan to me.

Add some 77Ws to that. It's kind of a crazy plan if you consider the fact that the oldest 77Ws are currently 12 years old. Some are only a few months old. I understand that some A380s are being replaced (10) by the 777X, but why are they replacing their 77Ws so early and in such large numbers? This order sheet still seems insane to me. WAY too many 777Xs, and unless more 778 orders come in it's going to be an ugly unicorn to have around.


Not all 60 777X will be delivered by 2026. Like EK's 777X order, it will be used to gradually replace the their current 777s spread over something like 10 years. And most of 787-8s will be gone too, they will be retired after 12 years of service (returned to the lessor I believe)

So, how about:
Airbus A321neo/LR - 50
Airbus A350-9/1000 - 76
Boeing 777-8/9 - 30
Boeing 787-8/9 - 40
Anything else AAB will order in the next couple of years: 50?

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:56 pm
by frigatebird
EChid wrote:
chiad wrote:
So unless more orders are taken QR could end up with following fleet in 2025
Airbus A321neo/LR - 50
Airbus A350-9/1000 - 76
Boeing 777-8/9 - 60
Boeing 787-8/9 - 60
Total - 246

Looks like a good plan to me.

Add some 77Ws to that. It's kind of a crazy plan if you consider the fact that the oldest 77Ws are currently 12 years old. Some are only a few months old. I understand that some A380s are being replaced (10) by the 777X, but why are they replacing their 77Ws so early and in such large numbers? This order sheet still seems insane to me. WAY too many 777Xs, and unless more 778 orders come in it's going to be an ugly unicorn to have around.


Not all 60 777X will be delivered by 2026. Like EK's 777X order, it will be used to gradually replace the their current 777s spread over something like 10 years. And most of 787-8s will be gone too, they will be retired after 12 years of service (returned to the lessor I believe)

So, how about:
Airbus A321neo/LR - 50
Airbus A350-9/1000 - 76
Boeing 777-8/9 - 30
Boeing 777-300ER - 25
Boeing 787-8/9 - 40
Anything else AAB will order in the next couple of years: ??

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 3:54 pm
by ramzi
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Also if cargo is so important to QR,aren't the A333s better cargowise than the 789s?

QR also has a pretty good sized dedicated cargo operation of 748, 777 and 330s.


I can't see those A330 freighters remaining. I see the freighter fleet being 777 and 747, especially if QAF also gets rid of its A330/A340 fleet, which in my opinion, they should, so that there is commonality among the passenger and VIP fleet.


I believe they are already planning the retirement of the A330s to be replaced by 777s. Overall the fleet lines up really well, although I would like to see the 788 stay.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 4:08 pm
by jagraham
LH658 wrote:
I don't sit at QR HQ, though I thought the A320 were perfect for smaller markets in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, Balkans, and Africa.


Plus the NEO fuel savings are minimal under 2 hours. Probably, as with the A330, there is a flight time where the CEO is more fuel efficient because it is lighter.

Re: Qatar airways is drastically simplifying its fleet (plan)

Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 4:15 pm
by CALMSP
Bricktop wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Also if cargo is so important to QR,aren't the A333s better cargowise than the 789s?

QR also has a pretty good sized dedicated cargo operation of 748, 777 and 330s.


330s are on the way out, to be replaced with 77F's.