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Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Mon May 13, 2019 9:00 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKhbrw9qmFY

A series of clips to provided a view of the original Dallas Airport, Love Field. Yep, Southwest 727 is feautured along with 747 ops from Braniff & Delta.

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Mon May 13, 2019 9:15 pm

This is the 727 in question.



I wish they had more of the type and for longer than the two times combined, preferably in the golden livery.
 
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Mon May 13, 2019 10:40 pm

Great video! Thanks for the link. Just when I thought I'd seen them all! :D
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Mon May 13, 2019 10:58 pm

Thanks for the post. That video is awesome, some really great aircraft shots. Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?
 
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Mon May 13, 2019 11:13 pm

DDR wrote:
Thanks for the post. That video is awesome, some really great aircraft shots. Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?


In 1974, Delta had 8 flights from Dallas to Atlanta. 5 narrowbodies, an L-1011, and 2 747's.
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Mon May 13, 2019 11:31 pm

BooDog wrote:
DDR wrote:
Thanks for the post. That video is awesome, some really great aircraft shots. Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?


In 1974, Delta had 8 flights from Dallas to Atlanta. 5 narrowbodies, an L-1011, and 2 747's.


Hey BooDog, thanks for that info. Would have been awesome to be in FC on a 747 from DAL to ATL. I bet the service was incredible back then.
 
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Tue May 14, 2019 12:00 am

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Great video! Thanks for the link. Just when I thought I'd seen them all! :D


You are very welcome. Just as the end suggest, more is on the way.

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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Tue May 14, 2019 12:15 am

Great video. I noticed the Braniff airstairs with the Ultra stylized logo. Was this at Love?
 
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Tue May 14, 2019 12:26 am

Nothing says "early 70s" quite like a DL 747 at DAL
 
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Tue May 14, 2019 12:26 am

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Thanks for the post. That video is awesome, some really great aircraft shots. Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?


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Tue May 14, 2019 12:53 am

Quoting DDR (Reply # 4), "Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?"

As klm617 stated in Reply # 10, from Dallas Love Field, Delta operated the 747 to Atlanta, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. Interestingly, based on Delta's timetable of March 1, 1973, the 747 that operated the Atlanta-Dallas-San Francisco segment returned from San Francisco to Atlanta non-stop. Therefore, the DAL-SFO service was westbound only. The actual routing of the DAL-SFO flight (Flight 19) was JFK-ATL-DAL-SFO.

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Tue May 14, 2019 1:11 am

That is sweet, thanks for the vid !
 
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:19 am

At 4:37 are the people at the bottom of the air stairs greeting passengers from the aircraft?
 
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:26 am

Imagine if DL flew a 747 to DAL in this era!
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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Tue May 14, 2019 10:05 am

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At 4:37 are the people at the bottom of the air stairs greeting passengers from the aircraft?


Most likely invited guests, but I've met friends at the gate in the 80's several times as I had great connection with a major airline at that time.

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Tue May 14, 2019 1:29 pm

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Great video. I noticed the Braniff airstairs with the Ultra stylized logo. Was this at Love?



it could have been. Braniff had its operations and maintenance base at DAL until pretty close to the end. But the airplane where those airstairs were attached had the original "End of the Plain Plane" livery, so I guess they had that typeface even in the late 1960's.
 
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:49 pm

A brief flash of the Ozark Air Lines street sign but they couldn't show one shot of an Ozark plane? Disappointing.
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Tue May 14, 2019 1:51 pm

Excellent! Thanks for sharing. I see some of my beloved Texas International Convair 600s in the video too.
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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Tue May 14, 2019 4:27 pm

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seat1a wrote:
Great video. I noticed the Braniff airstairs with the Ultra stylized logo. Was this at Love?



it could have been. Braniff had its operations and maintenance base at DAL until pretty close to the end. But the airplane where those airstairs were attached had the original "End of the Plain Plane" livery, so I guess they had that typeface even in the late 1960's.


No. The typeface on the stairs came with the “Ultra” campaign. The flight attendant is wearing Halston. Several DC-8-62s, including N810BN purchased from SAS in 1977, retained the “End of the Plain Plane” colors, even after its interior was converted to the wide-body look.

That part of the clip is from the late 1970s (post 1977) or early 80s. Probably a charter.
 
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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Tue May 14, 2019 4:36 pm

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Quoting DDR (Reply # 4), "Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?"

As klm617 stated in Reply # 10, from Dallas Love Field, Delta operated the 747 to Atlanta, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. Interestingly, based on Delta's timetable of March 1, 1973, the 747 that operated the Atlanta-Dallas-San Francisco segment returned from San Francisco to Atlanta non-stop. Therefore, the DAL-SFO service was westbound only. The actual routing of the DAL-SFO flight (Flight 19) was JFK-ATL-DAL-SFO.

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Delta also had the use of the Pan Am 747-121 used in the ATL-IAD-LHR interchange.

The interchange alternated between using Pan Am and Delta 747s.

The Pan Am 747 was usually used for a rotation to the West Coast and Dallas-Love Field between transatlantic interchange operations.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 1:56 am

e38 wrote:
Quoting DDR (Reply # 4), "Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?"

As klm617 stated in Reply # 10, from Dallas Love Field, Delta operated the 747 to Atlanta, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. Interestingly, based on Delta's timetable of March 1, 1973, the 747 that operated the Atlanta-Dallas-San Francisco segment returned from San Francisco to Atlanta non-stop. Therefore, the DAL-SFO service was westbound only. The actual routing of the DAL-SFO flight (Flight 19) was JFK-ATL-DAL-SFO.

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Delta also flew the 747 between Dallas and Las Vegas in the 1970s. Delta had a monopoly on DAL/DFW - LAS for many years.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 2:06 am

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e38 wrote:
Quoting DDR (Reply # 4), "Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?"

As klm617 stated in Reply # 10, from Dallas Love Field, Delta operated the 747 to Atlanta, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. Interestingly, based on Delta's timetable of March 1, 1973, the 747 that operated the Atlanta-Dallas-San Francisco segment returned from San Francisco to Atlanta non-stop. Therefore, the DAL-SFO service was westbound only. The actual routing of the DAL-SFO flight (Flight 19) was JFK-ATL-DAL-SFO.

e38


Delta also flew the 747 between Dallas and Las Vegas in the 1970s. Delta had a monopoly on DAL/DFW - LAS for many years.


Delta’s 747s were not scheduled into LAS until after DFW opened.

Delta did have a monopoly on the route. Braniff International began flying DFW-LAS in 1978, and AA began service to LAS...but not from DFW...around the same time. AA was so late to the game in the LAS market due to CAB regulation that when they began service, AA was relegated to the charter terminal for years.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 2:27 am

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WA707atMSP wrote:
e38 wrote:
Quoting DDR (Reply # 4), "Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?"

As klm617 stated in Reply # 10, from Dallas Love Field, Delta operated the 747 to Atlanta, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. Interestingly, based on Delta's timetable of March 1, 1973, the 747 that operated the Atlanta-Dallas-San Francisco segment returned from San Francisco to Atlanta non-stop. Therefore, the DAL-SFO service was westbound only. The actual routing of the DAL-SFO flight (Flight 19) was JFK-ATL-DAL-SFO.

e38


Delta also flew the 747 between Dallas and Las Vegas in the 1970s. Delta had a monopoly on DAL/DFW - LAS for many years.


Delta’s 747s were not scheduled into LAS until after DFW opened.

Delta did have a monopoly on the route. Braniff International began flying DFW-LAS in 1978, and AA began service to LAS...but not from DFW...around the same time. AA was so late to the game in the LAS market due to CAB regulation that when they began service, AA was relegated to the charter terminal for years.


AA began service between DFW and LAS in the spring of 1979, just a few months after Braniff and Texas International were awarded DFW-LAS by the CAB on the eve of deregulation.

AA's June 7, 1979 timetable shows AA had 3x day LAS-DFW nonstops with 727s, in addition to 1x day 707s to DTW, CLE, and PHX, and 2x day 727s to RNO.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 2:31 am

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millionsofmiles wrote:
WA707atMSP wrote:

Delta also flew the 747 between Dallas and Las Vegas in the 1970s. Delta had a monopoly on DAL/DFW - LAS for many years.


Delta’s 747s were not scheduled into LAS until after DFW opened.

Delta did have a monopoly on the route. Braniff International began flying DFW-LAS in 1978, and AA began service to LAS...but not from DFW...around the same time. AA was so late to the game in the LAS market due to CAB regulation that when they began service, AA was relegated to the charter terminal for years.


AA began service between DFW and LAS in the spring of 1979, just a few months after Braniff and Texas International were awarded DFW-LAS by the CAB on the eve of deregulation.

AA's June 7, 1979 timetable shows AA had 3x day LAS-DFW nonstops with 727s, in addition to 1x day 707s to DTW, CLE, and PHX, and 2x day 727s to RNO.



AA’s January 20, 1979 schedule shows AA serving only DTW and CLE nonstop. Both 727s.

Therefore, my statement stands as correct. AA began service to LAS from cities other than DFW.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 3:25 am

WA707atMSP wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
WA707atMSP wrote:

Delta also flew the 747 between Dallas and Las Vegas in the 1970s. Delta had a monopoly on DAL/DFW - LAS for many years.


Delta’s 747s were not scheduled into LAS until after DFW opened.

Delta did have a monopoly on the route. Braniff International began flying DFW-LAS in 1978, and AA began service to LAS...but not from DFW...around the same time. AA was so late to the game in the LAS market due to CAB regulation that when they began service, AA was relegated to the charter terminal for years.



AA began service between DFW and LAS in the spring of 1979, just a few months after Braniff and Texas International were awarded DFW-LAS by the CAB on the eve of deregulation.

AA's June 7, 1979 timetable shows AA had 3x day LAS-DFW nonstops with 727s, in addition to 1x day 707s to DTW, CLE, and PHX, and 2x day 727s to RNO.


You stated that AA’s entry into DFW-LAS was in the Spring of 1979, “just a few months after Braniff and Texas International were awarded DFW-LAS.”

Actually, Braniff began serving DFW-LAS during the Summer of 1978. I flew on BN706 from DFW to MIA during the second week of August 1978. It was a 727-200 through flight from LAS.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 6:16 am

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superjeff wrote:
seat1a wrote:
Great video. I noticed the Braniff airstairs with the Ultra stylized logo. Was this at Love?



it could have been. Braniff had its operations and maintenance base at DAL until pretty close to the end. But the airplane where those airstairs were attached had the original "End of the Plain Plane" livery, so I guess they had that typeface even in the late 1960's.


No. The typeface on the stairs came with the “Ultra” campaign. The flight attendant is wearing Halston. Several DC-8-62s, including N810BN purchased from SAS in 1977, retained the “End of the Plain Plane” colors, even after its interior was converted to the wide-body look.

That part of the clip is from the late 1970s (post 1977) or early 80s. Probably a charter.


You seem to have this Braniff design issue nailed.

So clarify if you can for me, the stages of liveries beginning with 1950s scheme on the 1st 707 to the final - Ultra? (not including the Braniff III white grey/blue design).
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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Wed May 15, 2019 8:22 am

Len Morgan RIP was a Braniff pilot and a 747 Captain, he had a regular column in Flying magazine


If I remember correctly from an article of his BN flew the 747 from Love field to London Gatwick ?
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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Wed May 15, 2019 8:45 am

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This is the 727 in question.



I wish they had more of the type and for longer than the two times combined, preferably in the golden livery.


WN only used them as a stop gap. They allowed WN to grow to California, and to to grow before the 737-300 became available. They were a better plane for flying between DAL or HOU to California than their existing 737-200's due to their range. They were wet leased from Braniff.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 1:54 pm

Thanks for the great 727 of Southwest memory!

But did they ever serve FRA or DUS nonstop from Dallas! Wink

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Wed May 15, 2019 5:52 pm

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SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
This is the 727 in question.



I wish they had more of the type and for longer than the two times combined, preferably in the golden livery.


WN only used them as a stop gap. They allowed WN to grow to California, and to to grow before the 737-300 became available. They were a better plane for flying between DAL or HOU to California than their existing 737-200's due to their range. They were wet leased from Braniff.


Not quite correct. The 727s that you are referring to were operated from 1983-85 and were leased from People Express. The 727 in the picture above was a sole example leased from Braniff for two years, 1978-80. In 1980 Southwest did not operate any farther west than ABQ and ELP. Their first flights to California, to SAN, started on Jan 31 1982, the same day that LAS and PHX were also added to their route map.
 
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Wed May 15, 2019 8:23 pm

Great video. I never knew WN's jet bridges were painted to match the aircraft.

In regards to the DL 747 ATL-DAL-SFO-ATL service, in a 1971 timetable, they had a ATL-DAL-LAX-ATL rotation as well.
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Len Morgan RIP was a Braniff pilot and a 747 Captain, he had a regular column in Flying magazine


If I remember correctly from an article of his BN flew the 747 from Love field to London Gatwick ?



BN began LGW in 1978. LGW was not served from Dallas-Love Field.

The only scheduled BN 747 service at Love Field was DAL-HNL.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 7:19 pm

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Len Morgan RIP was a Braniff pilot and a 747 Captain, he had a regular column in Flying magazine


If I remember correctly from an article of his BN flew the 747 from Love field to London Gatwick ?



BN began LGW in 1978. LGW was not served from Dallas-Love Field.

The only scheduled BN 747 service at Love Field was DAL-HNL.




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Fri May 17, 2019 1:04 pm

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it could have been. Braniff had its operations and maintenance base at DAL until pretty close to the end. But the airplane where those airstairs were attached had the original "End of the Plain Plane" livery, so I guess they had that typeface even in the late 1960's.


No. The typeface on the stairs came with the “Ultra” campaign. The flight attendant is wearing Halston. Several DC-8-62s, including N810BN purchased from SAS in 1977, retained the “End of the Plain Plane” colors, even after its interior was converted to the wide-body look.

That part of the clip is from the late 1970s (post 1977) or early 80s. Probably a charter.


You seem to have this Braniff design issue nailed.

So clarify if you can for me, the stages of liveries beginning with 1950s scheme on the 1st 707 to the final - Ultra? (not including the Braniff III white grey/blue design).
Thanks!

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The "End of the Plain Plane" livery (developed by Mary Wells Lawrence) was introduced in 1965. Originally there were seven colors, but this changed over the years. Also, originally the interiors were color matched to the exteriors, which was abandoned due to the cost of maintaining so many different seat sets. The "Flying Colors" livery was adopted in approximately 1972, and remained until about 1978, when they started moving to the "Ultra" livery. 747-127 remained in a basically "End of the Plain Plane" livery throughout its life at Braniff, but other 747's (including 100's, 200's, and SP's) had a hybrid Orange livery.
 
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Len Morgan RIP was a Braniff pilot and a 747 Captain, he had a regular column in Flying magazine


If I remember correctly from an article of his BN flew the 747 from Love field to London Gatwick ?


That is correct, from when the route was originally awarded to Braniff, until when they shut down, DFW-LGW was Braniff's flagship international route.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 1:09 pm

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DDR wrote:
Thanks for the post. That video is awesome, some really great aircraft shots. Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?


In 1974, Delta had 8 flights from Dallas to Atlanta. 5 narrowbodies, an L-1011, and 2 747's.


Hey BooDog, thanks for that info. Would have been awesome to be in FC on a 747 from DAL to ATL. I bet the service was incredible back then.



Compared to today, yes. They had full meals on tablecloths, with ceramic crockery and metal utensils (also full meals in coach as well, also with real crockery and utensils, but without the tablecloths). But it was only a 2 hour flight, so nothing spectacular. I flew it several times. But that's how the industry was back then.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 1:09 pm

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DDR wrote:
Thanks for the post. That video is awesome, some really great aircraft shots. Where would DL fly a 747 to from Love Field?


In 1974, Delta had 8 flights from Dallas to Atlanta. 5 narrowbodies, an L-1011, and 2 747's.


Hey BooDog, thanks for that info. Would have been awesome to be in FC on a 747 from DAL to ATL. I bet the service was incredible back then.



Compared to today, yes. They had full meals on tablecloths, with ceramic crockery and metal utensils (also full meals in coach as well, also with real crockery and utensils, but without the tablecloths). But it was only a 2 hour flight, so nothing spectacular. I flew it several times. But that's how the industry was back then.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 1:54 pm

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millionsofmiles wrote:

No. The typeface on the stairs came with the “Ultra” campaign. The flight attendant is wearing Halston. Several DC-8-62s, including N810BN purchased from SAS in 1977, retained the “End of the Plain Plane” colors, even after its interior was converted to the wide-body look.

That part of the clip is from the late 1970s (post 1977) or early 80s. Probably a charter.


You seem to have this Braniff design issue nailed.

So clarify if you can for me, the stages of liveries beginning with 1950s scheme on the 1st 707 to the final - Ultra? (not including the Braniff III white grey/blue design).
Thanks!

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The "End of the Plain Plane" livery (developed by Mary Wells Lawrence) was introduced in 1965. Originally there were seven colors, but this changed over the years. Also, originally the interiors were color matched to the exteriors, which was abandoned due to the cost of maintaining so many different seat sets. The "Flying Colors" livery was adopted in approximately 1972, and remained until about 1978, when they started moving to the "Ultra" livery. 747-127 remained in a basically "End of the Plain Plane" livery throughout its life at Braniff, but other 747's (including 100's, 200's, and SP's) had a hybrid Orange livery.


Thanks for that!

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Fri May 17, 2019 5:43 pm

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BN747 wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:

No. The typeface on the stairs came with the “Ultra” campaign. The flight attendant is wearing Halston. Several DC-8-62s, including N810BN purchased from SAS in 1977, retained the “End of the Plain Plane” colors, even after its interior was converted to the wide-body look.

That part of the clip is from the late 1970s (post 1977) or early 80s. Probably a charter.


You seem to have this Braniff design issue nailed.

So clarify if you can for me, the stages of liveries beginning with 1950s scheme on the 1st 707 to the final - Ultra? (not including the Braniff III white grey/blue design).
Thanks!

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The "End of the Plain Plane" livery (developed by Mary Wells Lawrence) was introduced in 1965. Originally there were seven colors, but this changed over the years. Also, originally the interiors were color matched to the exteriors, which was abandoned due to the cost of maintaining so many different seat sets. The "Flying Colors" livery was adopted in approximately 1972, and remained until about 1978, when they started moving to the "Ultra" livery. 747-127 remained in a basically "End of the Plain Plane" livery throughout its life at Braniff, but other 747's (including 100's, 200's, and SP's) had a hybrid Orange livery.


Braniff originally ordered two 747s in the late 1960s, but cancelled the second one before it would have been delivered in early 1971. Had this aircraft been delivered, it would have been painted green, and referred to as "the big watermelon". For many years, there was a model made in the late 1960s by Air Jet Advance of "the big watermelon" on display at LAS; I don't know if the model is still there.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 7:08 pm

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Braniff originally ordered two 747s in the late 1960s, but cancelled the second one before it would have been delivered in early 1971. Had this aircraft been delivered, it would have been painted green, and referred to as "the big watermelon". For many years, there was a model made in the late 1960s by Air Jet Advance of "the big watermelon" on display at LAS; I don't know if the model is still there.


N602BN ... Just imagine

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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Sat May 18, 2019 7:47 pm

WA707atMSP wrote:
superjeff wrote:
BN747 wrote:

You seem to have this Braniff design issue nailed.

So clarify if you can for me, the stages of liveries beginning with 1950s scheme on the 1st 707 to the final - Ultra? (not including the Braniff III white grey/blue design).
Thanks!

BN747


The "End of the Plain Plane" livery (developed by Mary Wells Lawrence) was introduced in 1965. Originally there were seven colors, but this changed over the years. Also, originally the interiors were color matched to the exteriors, which was abandoned due to the cost of maintaining so many different seat sets. The "Flying Colors" livery was adopted in approximately 1972, and remained until about 1978, when they started moving to the "Ultra" livery. 747-127 remained in a basically "End of the Plain Plane" livery throughout its life at Braniff, but other 747's (including 100's, 200's, and SP's) had a
hybrid Orange livery.


Braniff originally ordered two 747s in the late 1960s, but cancelled the second one before it would have been delivered in early 1971. Had this aircraft been delivered, it would have been painted green, and referred to as "the big watermelon". For many years, there was a model made in the late 1960s by Air Jet Advance of "the big watermelon" on display at LAS; I don't know if the model is still there.



You are correct. The green airplane was eventually delivered to Wardair Canada and flew for them as long as they had 747's. I'm not sure where it went afterward. The "Great Pumpkin" a/k/a super carrot, ended up flying for Tower Air and when finally retired was the highest time 747 in existence.
 
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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Sun May 19, 2019 2:52 am

superjeff wrote:
WA707atMSP wrote:
superjeff wrote:

The "End of the Plain Plane" livery (developed by Mary Wells Lawrence) was introduced in 1965. Originally there were seven colors, but this changed over the years. Also, originally the interiors were color matched to the exteriors, which was abandoned due to the cost of maintaining so many different seat sets. The "Flying Colors" livery was adopted in approximately 1972, and remained until about 1978, when they started moving to the "Ultra" livery. 747-127 remained in a basically "End of the Plain Plane" livery throughout its life at Braniff, but other 747's (including 100's, 200's, and SP's) had a
hybrid Orange livery.


Braniff originally ordered two 747s in the late 1960s, but cancelled the second one before it would have been delivered in early 1971. Had this aircraft been delivered, it would have been painted green, and referred to as "the big watermelon". For many years, there was a model made in the late 1960s by Air Jet Advance of "the big watermelon" on display at LAS; I don't know if the model is still there.



You are correct. The green airplane was eventually delivered to Wardair Canada and flew for them as long as they had 747's. I'm not sure where it went afterward. The "Great Pumpkin" a/k/a super carrot, ended up flying for Tower Air and when finally retired was the highest time 747 in existence.


A total shame we never got to see the Green Hornet..or what would they have called that one?!

And some good footage of ' The "Great Pumpkin" a/k/a super carrot, ' and/or Fat Albert (seen briefly in this vid) ...will be displayed all on it's own shortly.

My question is was there one with a black 'BI' and one with an orange 'BI' tail, or were thy both orange 'BI' tails, any one know? I seen to recall one wearing a black 'BI' only.

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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Sun May 19, 2019 3:29 am

Few things. I rode on the Delta 747 ATL-DAL-SFO-ATL in 73. Non-revel with my mom for my 9th birthday present!

Some of the SW 727 from AA or BN were not leased(or that is what the paperwork said) but was a settlement for a reservation settlement issue. Zero dollar lease if you will.

I have a 6 foot long Pacific Minature BI 747. I am restoring it now and the top layer is orange. The Middle layer is green (great watermelon) and the base color layer is light blue. Primer in between. I posted a pic on here 10 years ago when posting pics was easy. There were 3 tried and true colors for the 747.
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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Sun May 19, 2019 5:15 am

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Some of the SW 727 from AA or BN were not leased(or that is what the paperwork said) but was a settlement for a reservation settlement issue. Zero dollar lease if you will.


Yes, that was the sole BN 727 that WN had for two years, 1978-80. That is the one in the photos here. The later 727s that were leased from PE were regular leases.
 
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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Sun May 19, 2019 7:56 am

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reltney wrote:
Some of the SW 727 from AA or BN were not leased(or that is what the paperwork said) but was a settlement for a reservation settlement issue. Zero dollar lease if you will.


Yes, that was the sole BN 727 that WN had for two years, 1978-80. That is the one in the photos here. The later 727s that were leased from PE were regular leases.



Cool! I wondered the true story. Thanks
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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Sun May 19, 2019 8:14 am

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My question is was there one with a black 'BI' and one with an orange 'BI' tail, or were thy both orange 'BI' tails, any one know? I seen to recall one wearing a black 'BI' only


the only 747 with a black "BI" on the tail was N9666 ... a 747-123 leased from American March 1978 til June 1980

 
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Sun May 19, 2019 4:23 pm

deltacto wrote:
BN747 wrote:
My question is was there one with a black 'BI' and one with an orange 'BI' tail, or were thy both orange 'BI' tails, any one know? I seen to recall one wearing a black 'BI' only


the only 747 with a black "BI" on the tail was N9666 ... a 747-123 leased from American March 1978 til June 1980



Thanks for that, I actually have some footahe of that one, if memory serves correctly that is an ex-AA ship.

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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Sun May 19, 2019 5:50 pm

BN747 wrote:
deltacto wrote:
BN747 wrote:
My question is was there one with a black 'BI' and one with an orange 'BI' tail, or were thy both orange 'BI' tails, any one know? I seen to recall one wearing a black 'BI' only


the only 747 with a black "BI" on the tail was N9666 ... a 747-123 leased from American March 1978 til June 1980



Thanks for that, I actually have some footahe of that one, if memory serves correctly that is an ex-AA ship (which you stated above), so to put my mind to rest, NO full (orange) body 747 had black BI tail logo.

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Re: Airport PAST: Dallas Love Field - Southwest 727 Braniff 747 Delta 747 plus

Sun May 19, 2019 5:52 pm

BN747 wrote:
deltacto wrote:
BN747 wrote:
My question is was there one with a black 'BI' and one with an orange 'BI' tail, or were thy both orange 'BI' tails, any one know? I seen to recall one wearing a black 'BI' only


the only 747 with a black "BI" on the tail was N9666 ... a 747-123 leased from American March 1978 til June 1980



Thanks for that, I actually have some footage of that one, if memory serves correctly that is an ex-AA ship (just as you pointed out above).

BN747


But to be clear, NO orange body wore a black BI on her tail, correct.

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Sun May 19, 2019 6:25 pm



This plane made a cameo appearance in an episode of the "Rockford Files-The Hawaiian Headache" (1979). In the first few minutes, Rockford is seen arriving at HNL. This 747 can be seen at the terminal.

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