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Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 2:39 pm

As per Airline routes, Air Canada will be leasing Omni International B767-200 ER during June and July for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-changes/


Vancouver – Honolulu 02JUN19 – 31JUL19 Omni Air 767-200 operating, replacing previously filed Mainline 767
AC2411 YVR1700 – 2030HNL 762 x246
AC2410 HNL2155 – 0640+1YVR 762 x246

Vancouver – Kahului 04JUN19 – 30JUL19 Omni Air 767-200 operating, replacing previously filed Mainline 767
AC2413 YVR1715 – 2045OGG 762 246
AC2412 OGG2210 – 0640+1YVR 762 246
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 2:59 pm

Interesting. Will this bird be crewed by Omni personnel of by Air Canada personnel?
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 3:16 pm

Was announced a few weeks ago. It’s a wet lease, Omni crew.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:04 pm

Wow that's a blast from the past. 767-200 back with AC. Never thought I'd see that day!
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:10 pm

and I just flew YVR-HNL roundtrip in an AC 787-9... the flights had a few open seats, but we were taking a lot of palletized air cargo.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:17 pm

I'm surprised the AC pilot contract would allow this kind of operation. Certainly could not do this with any of the legacy airlines down in the US.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:19 pm

How is AC able to do this within the bargaining agreements with their respective flight crew unions? Maybe because this is a temporary wet lease?
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:28 pm

AC probably needs that 787-9 somewhere else.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 12:10 am

BravoOne wrote:
I'm surprised the AC pilot contract would allow this kind of operation. Certainly could not do this with any of the legacy airlines down in the US.


Even though the Collective Agreement would allow Air Canada to not pay any 737 pilots out of seniority due to a Force Majeure clause, Air Canada has elected to pay them full pay.

In exchange, the pilots have allowed the company to do what it takes to get people where they want to go. This has allowed Rouge more flying than contractually allowed and the wet leasing noted.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 12:44 am

I believe they are operating the old Continental 224Er’s


Pretty much the ultimate 200 series with
the most powerful engines and highest
gross weight


Lovely aircraft, made the 757 look underpowered
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 12:59 am

Max Q wrote:
I believe they are operating the old Continental 224Er’s


Pretty much the ultimate 200 series with
the most powerful engines and highest
gross weight


Lovely aircraft, made the 757 look underpowered


Yep, had to fuel one the other week and "767-224ER" was clearly printed at the rear.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 1:14 am

longhauler wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I'm surprised the AC pilot contract would allow this kind of operation. Certainly could not do this with any of the legacy airlines down in the US.


Even though the Collective Agreement would allow Air Canada to not pay any 737 pilots out of seniority due to a Force Majeure clause, Air Canada has elected to pay them full pay.

In exchange, the pilots have allowed the company to do what it takes to get people where they want to go. This has allowed Rouge more flying than contractually allowed and the wet leasing noted.


It's nice to see reasonable people act reasonably. Well done to both AC and the Unions.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 1:42 am

Crew will include 2-3 Air Canada On-board service Managers
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 1:45 am

Looking on the Omni website, the 18J/195Y configuration looks pretty comfortable. At least it's not 8 abreast in Y. Air Canada made that mistake once when wet leasing 767s from a European carrier with the 787 delays. Those were 8 abreast in Y ... the numbers of complaints? .... apparently almost one for one for passengers!

The 767-200 has always been my favourite version of the 767. I may try to get out to HNL this summer, just to ride one again.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 am

YYZatcboy wrote:
longhauler wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I'm surprised the AC pilot contract would allow this kind of operation. Certainly could not do this with any of the legacy airlines down in the US.


Even though the Collective Agreement would allow Air Canada to not pay any 737 pilots out of seniority due to a Force Majeure clause, Air Canada has elected to pay them full pay.

In exchange, the pilots have allowed the company to do what it takes to get people where they want to go. This has allowed Rouge more flying than contractually allowed and the wet leasing noted.


It's nice to see reasonable people act reasonably. Well done to both AC and the Unions.


I'm sure AC management wouldn't be spending all this extra money from the goodness of their hearts unless they felt confident they could get compensation from Boeing as a result of the Max grounding.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 11:59 am

max999 wrote:
I'm sure AC management wouldn't be spending all this extra money from the goodness of their hearts unless they felt confident they could get compensation from Boeing as a result of the Max grounding.

Maybe. More likely they know that if they are going to get through this, they need the pilots on their side. Best way to make that not happen ... don't pay the 737 pilots.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu May 30, 2019 10:06 am

Lease has been extended until early September.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2019/

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