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Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 2:39 pm

As per Airline routes, Air Canada will be leasing Omni International B767-200 ER during June and July for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-changes/


Vancouver – Honolulu 02JUN19 – 31JUL19 Omni Air 767-200 operating, replacing previously filed Mainline 767
AC2411 YVR1700 – 2030HNL 762 x246
AC2410 HNL2155 – 0640+1YVR 762 x246

Vancouver – Kahului 04JUN19 – 30JUL19 Omni Air 767-200 operating, replacing previously filed Mainline 767
AC2413 YVR1715 – 2045OGG 762 246
AC2412 OGG2210 – 0640+1YVR 762 246
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 2:59 pm

Interesting. Will this bird be crewed by Omni personnel of by Air Canada personnel?
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 3:16 pm

Was announced a few weeks ago. It’s a wet lease, Omni crew.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:04 pm

Wow that's a blast from the past. 767-200 back with AC. Never thought I'd see that day!
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:10 pm

and I just flew YVR-HNL roundtrip in an AC 787-9... the flights had a few open seats, but we were taking a lot of palletized air cargo.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:17 pm

I'm surprised the AC pilot contract would allow this kind of operation. Certainly could not do this with any of the legacy airlines down in the US.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:19 pm

How is AC able to do this within the bargaining agreements with their respective flight crew unions? Maybe because this is a temporary wet lease?
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Tue May 14, 2019 11:28 pm

AC probably needs that 787-9 somewhere else.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 12:10 am

BravoOne wrote:
I'm surprised the AC pilot contract would allow this kind of operation. Certainly could not do this with any of the legacy airlines down in the US.


Even though the Collective Agreement would allow Air Canada to not pay any 737 pilots out of seniority due to a Force Majeure clause, Air Canada has elected to pay them full pay.

In exchange, the pilots have allowed the company to do what it takes to get people where they want to go. This has allowed Rouge more flying than contractually allowed and the wet leasing noted.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 12:44 am

I believe they are operating the old Continental 224Er’s


Pretty much the ultimate 200 series with
the most powerful engines and highest
gross weight


Lovely aircraft, made the 757 look underpowered
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 12:59 am

Max Q wrote:
I believe they are operating the old Continental 224Er’s


Pretty much the ultimate 200 series with
the most powerful engines and highest
gross weight


Lovely aircraft, made the 757 look underpowered


Yep, had to fuel one the other week and "767-224ER" was clearly printed at the rear.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 1:14 am

longhauler wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I'm surprised the AC pilot contract would allow this kind of operation. Certainly could not do this with any of the legacy airlines down in the US.


Even though the Collective Agreement would allow Air Canada to not pay any 737 pilots out of seniority due to a Force Majeure clause, Air Canada has elected to pay them full pay.

In exchange, the pilots have allowed the company to do what it takes to get people where they want to go. This has allowed Rouge more flying than contractually allowed and the wet leasing noted.


It's nice to see reasonable people act reasonably. Well done to both AC and the Unions.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 1:42 am

Crew will include 2-3 Air Canada On-board service Managers
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 1:45 am

Looking on the Omni website, the 18J/195Y configuration looks pretty comfortable. At least it's not 8 abreast in Y. Air Canada made that mistake once when wet leasing 767s from a European carrier with the 787 delays. Those were 8 abreast in Y ... the numbers of complaints? .... apparently almost one for one for passengers!

The 767-200 has always been my favourite version of the 767. I may try to get out to HNL this summer, just to ride one again.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 7:33 am

YYZatcboy wrote:
longhauler wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
I'm surprised the AC pilot contract would allow this kind of operation. Certainly could not do this with any of the legacy airlines down in the US.


Even though the Collective Agreement would allow Air Canada to not pay any 737 pilots out of seniority due to a Force Majeure clause, Air Canada has elected to pay them full pay.

In exchange, the pilots have allowed the company to do what it takes to get people where they want to go. This has allowed Rouge more flying than contractually allowed and the wet leasing noted.


It's nice to see reasonable people act reasonably. Well done to both AC and the Unions.


I'm sure AC management wouldn't be spending all this extra money from the goodness of their hearts unless they felt confident they could get compensation from Boeing as a result of the Max grounding.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed May 15, 2019 11:59 am

max999 wrote:
I'm sure AC management wouldn't be spending all this extra money from the goodness of their hearts unless they felt confident they could get compensation from Boeing as a result of the Max grounding.

Maybe. More likely they know that if they are going to get through this, they need the pilots on their side. Best way to make that not happen ... don't pay the 737 pilots.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu May 30, 2019 10:06 am

Lease has been extended until early September.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2019/
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:36 pm

I recently received a schedule change notification for YVR to OGG in February from AC mainline 763 to an Omni 762. There is not much information about the business class hard product on the flight, and AC only says that you will receive the North American business class serice.. Does anyone have any details about the hard product?

Thank you, gte439u
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:04 pm

There are some pics in the Airliners.net data base of the Biz Class seats.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:28 pm

gte439u wrote:
I recently received a schedule change notification for YVR to OGG in February from AC mainline 763 to an Omni 762. There is not much information about the business class hard product on the flight, and AC only says that you will receive the North American business class serice.. Does anyone have any details about the hard product?

Thank you, gte439u


Have you seen this? https://twitter.com/tompodolec/status/1 ... 8127920128
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:21 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
gte439u wrote:
I recently received a schedule change notification for YVR to OGG in February from AC mainline 763 to an Omni 762. There is not much information about the business class hard product on the flight, and AC only says that you will receive the North American business class serice.. Does anyone have any details about the hard product?

Thank you, gte439u


Have you seen this? https://twitter.com/tompodolec/status/1 ... 8127920128


Thank you. This is helpful.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:26 pm

Such as shame Hawaiian doesn't fly to Vancouver.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:42 pm

gte439u wrote:
I recently received a schedule change notification for YVR to OGG in February from AC mainline 763 to an Omni 762. There is not much information about the business class hard product on the flight, and AC only says that you will receive the North American business class serice.. Does anyone have any details about the hard product?

Thank you, gte439u



It's a very comfortable seat, think US domestic first class with more seat pitch.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:08 pm

I flew to YVR about a week ago and saw it parked on the apron.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:51 pm

jetwet1 wrote:
gte439u wrote:
I recently received a schedule change notification for YVR to OGG in February from AC mainline 763 to an Omni 762. There is not much information about the business class hard product on the flight, and AC only says that you will receive the North American business class serice.. Does anyone have any details about the hard product?

Thank you, gte439u



It's a very comfortable seat, think US domestic first class with more seat pitch.


Super. Now that I have seen some photos and gotten this information, I am pretty excited to get to try a new airline.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:05 pm

Understand though, Omni will only provide the services that AC wants/pays for, so expect a pretty standard flight in those terms.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:30 pm

Dumb question here, probably irrelevant. Will the crew wear AC uniforms, even though they work for OAI?
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:16 am

It's not just Hawaii it will be flying to. I had an update in my AC reservation for YVR-PHX, where my seats were changed. When I logged in to see the changes, the plane had changed from an AC A320 to an AC 762, with a sub note saying "Operated by Omni Air International". So for utilization they must be running some other flights on the west coast USA to get their money's worth off the wet lease. Omni Air's Wiki page (I know, I know), says only the two 762 passenger jets are being wet leased to Air Canada.
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Fri Oct 04, 2019 12:24 am

DALMD80 wrote:
Dumb question here, probably irrelevant. Will the crew wear AC uniforms, even though they work for OAI?


Along with the crew would there be anything in the outside of the plane that says "Air Canada"?
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:01 am

Plane is in Omni Air colours. The crew is also wearing Omni uniforms, and there are also AC crew onboard. They give directions from the rear to the Omni crew during the safety demo in French. A well-oiled machine and good reviews to date.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:18 am

I was lucky enough to fly YVR/HNL rt last spring in the 787-9... <3 <3 <3 <3
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:35 am

Tonight's flight (AC2410 HNL-YVR) is on N432AX (a 767-300).
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:11 pm

gte439u wrote:
I recently received a schedule change notification for YVR to OGG in February from AC mainline 763 to an Omni 762. There is not much information about the business class hard product on the flight, and AC only says that you will receive the North American business class serice.. Does anyone have any details about the hard product?

Thank you, gte439u


I also had business class seats. When I called because my originally scheduled plane had lay-down seats, I called AC and they confirmed that Omni does not operate lay down seat equipped planes. As both the outdated AC web site information on this lane and Omni, and the email I got from an AC VP directly stated that I had the option to change flights with "all change fees AND charges waived", I called AC and asked about changing to a better option through Calgary instead of Vancouver. I was told initially that this could be accommodated on both the inbound and outbound legs with no charges by the first AC rep I spoke with. I then called Hawaii to shift my accommodations one day then called AC right back. Then I was told that ANY changes would incur a charge for any fare increase resulting in the change (although any drop in fare price would not be credited to me). In the end they eventually advised that they could not accommodate both of our seats on other flight options. Essentially, I was downgraded and I had no options other than cash out the tickets and leave myself scrambling to find another flight at this much later date. This is not how a company that respects its customers, behaves.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:25 pm

Marshman wrote:
gte439u wrote:
I recently received a schedule change notification for YVR to OGG in February from AC mainline 763 to an Omni 762. There is not much information about the business class hard product on the flight, and AC only says that you will receive the North American business class serice.. Does anyone have any details about the hard product?

Thank you, gte439u


I also had business class seats. When I called because my originally scheduled plane had lay-down seats, I called AC and they confirmed that Omni does not operate lay down seat equipped planes. As both the outdated AC web site information on this lane and Omni, and the email I got from an AC VP directly stated that I had the option to change flights with "all change fees AND charges waived", I called AC and asked about changing to a better option through Calgary instead of Vancouver. I was told initially that this could be accommodated on both the inbound and outbound legs with no charges by the first AC rep I spoke with. I then called Hawaii to shift my accommodations one day then called AC right back. Then I was told that ANY changes would incur a charge for any fare increase resulting in the change (although any drop in fare price would not be credited to me). In the end they eventually advised that they could not accommodate both of our seats on other flight options. Essentially, I was downgraded and I had no options other than cash out the tickets and leave myself scrambling to find another flight at this much later date. This is not how a company that respects its customers, behaves.


Or you could have just taken a non lie flat seat and gone on your trip...

AC did everything they could possibly be asked to do for you, what would you prefer, they kick someone else off of a flight they payed for to accomodate you? The max grounding has had a massive impact, they are doing the best they possibly can.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:02 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
Or you could have just taken a non lie flat seat and gone on your trip...

AC did everything they could possibly be asked to do for you, what would you prefer, they kick someone else off of a flight they payed for to accomodate you? The max grounding has had a massive impact, they are doing the best they possibly can.


Bravo! It's amazing how entitled people are. And it's remarkable how companies that serve tens of thousands daily with no problem will take the time to work with the ONE person who can't compromise. The person spoke to a VP of Air Canada??? About his/her "lie-flat seat"? And then instead of just getting in the Omni Business Class, which is very-nice, s/he cancelled the whole trip and rebooked elsewhere, I guess. That's completely his/her right to do -- each to his own -- but his/her posts are fun because they presuppose that we don't believe that the company worked pretty hard to accommodate him/her given that the worldwide airline authorities had grounded a significant component of the airline's fleet.

The other night, the Marriott I was staying in had replaced all the TVs throughout the hotel in one day. Really great new Samsung TVs and Dish service. In a few rooms, the contractor hadn't reprogrammed the remote control so that it controlled this particular model of TV (so it wouldn't even turn on) and also failed to set it so it controlled the volume through the LG Dish box rather than through the TV (leading to a lowwww volume). My room was one of them. The hotel was full, the front desk hadn't been apprised of how to fix the remotes, and the engineer was gone for the night. Of course, the contractor should have left a person behind to address any problems that arose the first night, and the hotel should have made sure that they did. But they didn't. The front desk was apologetic about something that the hotel really should have had a better plan to address. So, they gave me some free meals for the rest of my stay. Realistically, although I wasn't thrilled, that was a perfectly-satisfactory compromise. (And I ended up getting on my computer and using that newfangled Google Machine to figure out how to reprogram this particular remote so by midnight I had the TV working like it should...) I didn't demand that they walk me to the Ritz Carlton for a free stay because my TV wasn't working the first night.
 
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Re: Air Canada leasing Omni planes for the Vancouver - Hawaii route

Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:24 pm

wjcandee wrote:
whywhyzee wrote:
Or you could have just taken a non lie flat seat and gone on your trip...

AC did everything they could possibly be asked to do for you, what would you prefer, they kick someone else off of a flight they payed for to accomodate you? The max grounding has had a massive impact, they are doing the best they possibly can.



Thank you for the information on Omni and its product. I flew on one of these newer 767-200ERs in 2003 from IAH to GRU to GIG with Continental, so it will be fun to get to fly on a relatively rare aircraft. Furthermore, I am pretty excited to fly on a new airline, enjoy Air Canada business class service, and earn some Aeroplan points, all at a very reasonable price for business class in February when it feels like a quarter of Edmontonians decamp to Maui.

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