Longhornmaniac
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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Thu May 16, 2019 2:04 pm

impilot wrote:
Longhornmaniac wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:


Captains don't make 6 figures in 12 months. More like 65k.

You're seriously uninformed in you think rj captains make 6 figures.


That's not remotely true. At my regional, upgrades are around 2 years right now. A captain on year 3 pay will be making in excess of $90/hr, and it will be over $95/hr on Jan 1. The top of our pay scale is like $150/hr.

You definitely don't seem to understand the difference between a block hour and a credit hour. I'm deadheading back to base on Friday morning. I'm getting paid 4.2 hours for that, and not blocking anything. In fact, I'm going to just go home instead of back to base.

It's not at all uncommon for people to credit 90+ hours a month, but perhaps only actually block 50-60.

As a matter of fact, I expect to make more than 65K as a first year FO, between salary, per diem, and bonuses.

Your information seems to be about 5 years old.

What regional tops out at $150/hr? Looking at the top regional pay scales I don’t see it.


My mistake. Republic tops out at $140/hr starting next year. Currently $136/hr.
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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Thu May 16, 2019 9:19 pm

usxguy wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
SierraPacific wrote:
I love how management throws out pilot shortage as the excuse for bad management. I personally have never seen an airline have an honest to god pilot shortage but rather management creating an environment nobody wants to work in.

Every single small airline is having an honest to god pilot shortage rn.


Uh. I beg to differ. Mokulele Airlines has NEVER had to cancel a flight due to lack of crew** (except for the super rare exceptions of sick calls and they can't reposition someone in time). And they were the first Caravan operator to require *2 pilots*... And they operate 110 flights a day, so no small operation at all.

We used to have HUNDREDS of qualified pilots waiting in the pool to get hired. And many actually flow over to captain rather than jump ship once they hit 1500 hours. MW isn't known for high pay either. But, treat your staff right, they treat you right.


I looked at finishing my commercial and applying to MW about 5-6 years ago right out of college. I was shocked to learn just how little FOs make at MW, especially considering HI’s high cost of living. I was about to bite the bullet and press on with it when I landed a management gig at one of the majors. It’s not flying but it affords me a much more comfortable lifestyle.

Do many of MW’s FOs have second jobs ?

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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Thu May 16, 2019 9:20 pm

Anyway ..... back to topic. Is Via done?
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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Fri May 17, 2019 1:36 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
Anyway ..... back to topic. Is Via done?


No planes off the ground in over a day.

Seems all operations have been suspended.
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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Fri May 17, 2019 2:23 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
Wingtips56 wrote:
Anyway ..... back to topic. Is Via done?


No planes off the ground in over a day.

Seems all operations have been suspended.


If that's the case, why is their website still up and running?
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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Fri May 17, 2019 2:39 am

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USPIT10L wrote:
Gulfstream500 wrote:
Wingtips56 wrote:
Anyway ..... back to topic. Is Via done?


No planes off the ground in over a day.

Seems all operations have been suspended.


If that's the case, why is their website still up and running?


Since you brought that up it peaked my interest to go and have a look. While browsing their site I clicked on the “work with us” and scrolling down it says “with one of the highest on-time departure rates” and in the next paragraph goes on to say “carrying one of the highest reliability and dispatch percentages in the country”. I mean ummm uhhhh in what galaxy?!?
 
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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Fri May 17, 2019 3:57 am

77H wrote:
usxguy wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Every single small airline is having an honest to god pilot shortage rn.


Uh. I beg to differ. Mokulele Airlines has NEVER had to cancel a flight due to lack of crew** (except for the super rare exceptions of sick calls and they can't reposition someone in time). And they were the first Caravan operator to require *2 pilots*... And they operate 110 flights a day, so no small operation at all.

We used to have HUNDREDS of qualified pilots waiting in the pool to get hired. And many actually flow over to captain rather than jump ship once they hit 1500 hours. MW isn't known for high pay either. But, treat your staff right, they treat you right.


I looked at finishing my commercial and applying to MW about 5-6 years ago right out of college. I was shocked to learn just how little FOs make at MW, especially considering HI’s high cost of living. I was about to bite the bullet and press on with it when I landed a management gig at one of the majors. It’s not flying but it affords me a much more comfortable lifestyle.

Do many of MW’s FOs have second jobs ?

77H


Some work "light" part time jobs. But the airline has never been in short supply of crews & applicants. MW was the first Part 135 to require dual crew, and the SICs were able to log all their time. The regionals loved MW crews because they were taught true CRM out the door, and of course good stick & rudder skills.

Back to VIA - will be a shame if they have shut down. But haven't they been a mess for a few years now? Like 3 or 4? (and why is it that all 50-seat charter operators are uh, mismanaged..)
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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Fri May 17, 2019 3:45 pm

usxguy wrote:
77H wrote:
usxguy wrote:

Uh. I beg to differ. Mokulele Airlines has NEVER had to cancel a flight due to lack of crew** (except for the super rare exceptions of sick calls and they can't reposition someone in time). And they were the first Caravan operator to require *2 pilots*... And they operate 110 flights a day, so no small operation at all.

We used to have HUNDREDS of qualified pilots waiting in the pool to get hired. And many actually flow over to captain rather than jump ship once they hit 1500 hours. MW isn't known for high pay either. But, treat your staff right, they treat you right.


I looked at finishing my commercial and applying to MW about 5-6 years ago right out of college. I was shocked to learn just how little FOs make at MW, especially considering HI’s high cost of living. I was about to bite the bullet and press on with it when I landed a management gig at one of the majors. It’s not flying but it affords me a much more comfortable lifestyle.

Do many of MW’s FOs have second jobs ?

77H


Some work "light" part time jobs. But the airline has never been in short supply of crews & applicants. MW was the first Part 135 to require dual crew, and the SICs were able to log all their time. The regionals loved MW crews because they were taught true CRM out the door, and of course good stick & rudder skills.

Back to VIA - will be a shame if they have shut down. But haven't they been a mess for a few years now? Like 3 or 4? (and why is it that all 50-seat charter operators are uh, mismanaged..)


Well, if pilots were really the issue, then the airline would just have slight cuts. But, this is not the case. It has been many days since the last commercial flight (May 11?). Their so-called focus city in Pittsburgh has not had a flight in almost two weeks. Same applies in BHM, where their flights have all been cancelled/suspended for two weeks.
AUS has not had a flight in 3 days, and I think that flight was a charter.
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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Fri May 17, 2019 9:30 pm

Longhornmaniac wrote:
impilot wrote:
Longhornmaniac wrote:

That's not remotely true. At my regional, upgrades are around 2 years right now. A captain on year 3 pay will be making in excess of $90/hr, and it will be over $95/hr on Jan 1. The top of our pay scale is like $150/hr.

You definitely don't seem to understand the difference between a block hour and a credit hour. I'm deadheading back to base on Friday morning. I'm getting paid 4.2 hours for that, and not blocking anything. In fact, I'm going to just go home instead of back to base.

It's not at all uncommon for people to credit 90+ hours a month, but perhaps only actually block 50-60.

As a matter of fact, I expect to make more than 65K as a first year FO, between salary, per diem, and bonuses.

Your information seems to be about 5 years old.

What regional tops out at $150/hr? Looking at the top regional pay scales I don’t see it.


My mistake. Republic tops out at $140/hr starting next year. Currently $136/hr.



Republic, Endeavor and PSA are making OK money. The rest are not.

Most 2-3 year regional captains are less than $70 an hour. Envoy, Expressjet, Skywest.. you name it.
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Re: Via Air in trouble: majority of flights suspended

Fri May 17, 2019 11:49 pm

Didn't VIA pay to airline folks to/from the plane from their homes -- and not even require pilots to live in base (if base even existed).

I can tell ya that will get expensive, FAST. And airlines don't give waivers and favors to airline staff either when on revenue tickets...
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