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Thu May 16, 2019 4:12 pm

Can anyone post some cabin pictures? is it EK style? or a new cabin?

Edit - I found some photos, it is EK style.

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Thu May 16, 2019 4:42 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
5NFGS wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
"Just need to get the oil contracts"??? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: Thanks for the big laugh of the day...


I agree that the big multinationals may not give Air Peace their business on long haul.

But the Nigerian government, on the basis of the Buy Nigerian Act and LOS/ABV/PHC/KAN based economic operators will sure love to patronize a Nigerian long haul operator that:
1. Collects fares in NGN without penalty. BA and KL especially have been fingered for charging higher fares on NGN Point of sale
2. Understands the average Nigerian's need for a large baggage allowance, especially to DXB and BOM for the traders
3. Serves decent NIGERIAN food
4. Operates a realistic schedule
5. Sticks to that schedule.

Arik did all of the above for the first 3 years, then LHR struck with inflated bills and general lack of cooperation approx 20 months after ops started.
his, according to many who worked and still work for W3, was influenced by BA's experiencing reducing yields.
W3 clawed traffic away from them both in LOS and ABV.


And before you say impossible to the allegation, remember AAB is on LHR's board.
And he owns 10% of IAG aka BA.

Anyhow, the above led to operational issues which started due to poor cash flow.
Why?
Poor cash flow was a result of Sir Ikhide (owner) insisting on maintaining LHR at loss, instead of making the more profitable JNB 2x daily.
JNB was W3's last long haul destination with B738.

Nigerian disease aka corruption struck.

Avoid Nigerian disease as much as you can and delay introducing LHR for as long as you can and your NGR based airline stands a better chance of survival.


1) Many carriers charge more in NGN due to its historic instability and associated difficulties converting it to hard currency and repatriating profits out of the country. It is difficult to make a profit when the funds you received have lost 20% of their value between booking and time of flight (admittedly the FGN has done a much better job with this the last year or so). The higher prices help compensate for that.

2) Increasing the baggage allowance might help P4 attract passengers but I fail to see how it makes them a sustainable, profitable carrier. They will dealing with the costs of burning more fuel and/or having more delayed baggage claims than their competitors with no additional revenue generated to compensate.


1. This only happens irregularly, but trust Western MSM to hype your bad news when it does happen.
No doubt forex is not as easy in Nigeria as in most other countries, but justifying a near 25% differential on a ticket flying in 72 hours with the above excuse is surely wrong.
We had NGN at 100-150 to the USD for about a decade.
Before that, >50 but <100 to the USD

2. Touche.
However, attracting pax for such a reason might allow them charge a premium, especially DXB (EK is always full) and BOM (no direct competition, be wary of ME3, ET and WB)
A 319/320/321,A 330-200/300, A 340-300/500/600, B 737-300/400/500,B 737-700/800,B 747-300/400,B 767-200 ER/300 ER, B 777-200/200 ER,CRJ 200/900/1000,DHC-8-300/Q 300, DC-10, ERJ-195,MD-11
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 4:43 pm

mr02 wrote:
What's Air Peace's current fleet?


Approx 18 B 737 Classic, 6 ERJ-145 and the aforementioned 777 s
A 319/320/321,A 330-200/300, A 340-300/500/600, B 737-300/400/500,B 737-700/800,B 747-300/400,B 767-200 ER/300 ER, B 777-200/200 ER,CRJ 200/900/1000,DHC-8-300/Q 300, DC-10, ERJ-195,MD-11
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 8:08 pm

I’m sorry to say but everything that Air Peace has done as of late does not make any financial sense. In fact, it’s plain obvious this is not a well managed airline. Just because they have captured market share lately (due to Arik Air and Aero financial difficulties) doesn’t make it a well run airline.

Lately, their aim was just to play with Nigerian people’s emotions as opposed to just focusing on good customer service. Why would you purchase ex Emirates aircraft and keep them in the exact same configuration , even their interior identity !!!! I mean the Emirates sand dunes concept belongs to Emirates alone. Why not develop your own identity? What distinguishes Air Peace from other, far better options like Ethiopian or Emirates on routes to China ?
Every other Nigerian airline that entered the long haul market ended up in the grave. P4 won’t fare better. Poor route planning, an aircraft fleet with literally a dozen aircraft types. And above all, a bizarre brand image that just doesn’t cut it for a long haul aspiring carrier.
P4 if objectively run (not emotively in the Nigerian fashsion) should have focused on the regional and domestic network and developed a single or two type fleet (737Ng and regional jet). But of course every Nigerian airline owner pursues ego and pride rather than sound business management.
I don’t see any Nigerian airline well run. Perhaps Green Africa will be but they don’t seem anywhere near ready to acquire an Airline license.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 8:48 pm

5NFGS wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
5NFGS wrote:

I agree that the big multinationals may not give Air Peace their business on long haul.

But the Nigerian government, on the basis of the Buy Nigerian Act and LOS/ABV/PHC/KAN based economic operators will sure love to patronize a Nigerian long haul operator that:
1. Collects fares in NGN without penalty. BA and KL especially have been fingered for charging higher fares on NGN Point of sale
2. Understands the average Nigerian's need for a large baggage allowance, especially to DXB and BOM for the traders
3. Serves decent NIGERIAN food
4. Operates a realistic schedule
5. Sticks to that schedule.

Arik did all of the above for the first 3 years, then LHR struck with inflated bills and general lack of cooperation approx 20 months after ops started.
his, according to many who worked and still work for W3, was influenced by BA's experiencing reducing yields.
W3 clawed traffic away from them both in LOS and ABV.


And before you say impossible to the allegation, remember AAB is on LHR's board.
And he owns 10% of IAG aka BA.

Anyhow, the above led to operational issues which started due to poor cash flow.
Why?
Poor cash flow was a result of Sir Ikhide (owner) insisting on maintaining LHR at loss, instead of making the more profitable JNB 2x daily.
JNB was W3's last long haul destination with B738.

Nigerian disease aka corruption struck.

Avoid Nigerian disease as much as you can and delay introducing LHR for as long as you can and your NGR based airline stands a better chance of survival.


1) Many carriers charge more in NGN due to its historic instability and associated difficulties converting it to hard currency and repatriating profits out of the country. It is difficult to make a profit when the funds you received have lost 20% of their value between booking and time of flight (admittedly the FGN has done a much better job with this the last year or so). The higher prices help compensate for that.

2) Increasing the baggage allowance might help P4 attract passengers but I fail to see how it makes them a sustainable, profitable carrier. They will dealing with the costs of burning more fuel and/or having more delayed baggage claims than their competitors with no additional revenue generated to compensate.


1. This only happens irregularly, but trust Western MSM to hype your bad news when it does happen.
No doubt forex is not as easy in Nigeria as in most other countries, but justifying a near 25% differential on a ticket flying in 72 hours with the above excuse is surely wrong.
We had NGN at 100-150 to the USD for about a decade.
Before that, >50 but <100 to the USD

2. Touche.
However, attracting pax for such a reason might allow them charge a premium, especially DXB (EK is always full) and BOM (no direct competition, be wary of ME3, ET and WB)


1) Does this look like a stable currency to you?

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2) Has any Nigerian carrier ever been able to charge a premium? They always end up being the low-fare carrier on the long-haul routes they fly - attracting the lowest rung of travelers. This is why we see riots and disturbances when Nigerian carriers have operational issues because they fly around the passengers that don't have the financial resources to make alternate arrangements. I wasn't kidding when I suggested to C12Y400 configuration - it would be much more appropriate for the fares P4 is going to be able to charge.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 11:28 pm

All we are saying...is give Air Peace a chance
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 2:31 am

AsoRock wrote:
I’m sorry to say but everything that Air Peace has done as of late does not make any financial sense. In fact, it’s plain obvious this is not a well managed airline. Just because they have captured market share lately (due to Arik Air and Aero financial difficulties) doesn’t make it a well run airline.

Lately, their aim was just to play with Nigerian people’s emotions as opposed to just focusing on good customer service. Why would you purchase ex Emirates aircraft and keep them in the exact same configuration , even their interior identity !!!! I mean the Emirates sand dunes concept belongs to Emirates alone. Why not develop your own identity? What distinguishes Air Peace from other, far better options like Ethiopian or Emirates on routes to China ?
Every other Nigerian airline that entered the long haul market ended up in the grave. P4 won’t fare better. Poor route planning, an aircraft fleet with literally a dozen aircraft types. And above all, a bizarre brand image that just doesn’t cut it for a long haul aspiring carrier.
P4 if objectively run (not emotively in the Nigerian fashsion) should have focused on the regional and domestic network and developed a single or two type fleet (737Ng and regional jet). But of course every Nigerian airline owner pursues ego and pride rather than sound business management.
I don’t see any Nigerian airline well run. Perhaps Green Africa will be but they don’t seem anywhere near ready to acquire an Airline license.

You sir hit it right on the nail. If they get their things in order(domestically, regionally) and before GPA receive their first max 8,I think they might actually be able to do LH flights to the US but anything to the eastern hemisphere,no.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 12:58 am

Air Peace says it will begin flight operations to Johannesburg, South Africa and Sharjah, United Arab Emirates next month.

Newsmen report that Chairman of Air Peace, Allen Onyema, announced the new routes at the inauguration of the airline’s Board of Directors on Wednesday in Ikeja.

https://topnaijaplus.com/air-peace-to-b ... h-in-june/
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 10:25 am

mapletux wrote:
Air Peace says it will begin flight operations to Johannesburg, South Africa and Sharjah, United Arab Emirates next month.

Newsmen report that Chairman of Air Peace, Allen Onyema, announced the new routes at the inauguration of the airline’s Board of Directors on Wednesday in Ikeja.

https://topnaijaplus.com/air-peace-to-b ... h-in-june/


from that article:
"According to him, Air Peace has lost over N1. 2 billion in the last one year in flying to countries in the West Coast of Africa such as Senegal, Gambia, Ghana, Sierra Leone and Liberia, due to exorbitant charges."

if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?
 
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 2:37 pm

The SAATM is not poised against Nigerian carriers. If Nigerian carriers are facing stiff competition,they should most importantly have a good strategy,improve their product offering and their airports,though that's up to the Nigerian government.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 3:43 pm

AF022 wrote:
if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Do KQ make it work?

Their earnings before tax:
2013: loss of 10.8 billion Kshs
2014: loss of 4.9 billion Kshs
2015: loss of 29.7 billion Kshs
2016: loss of 26.1 billion Kshs
2017: loss of 10.2 billion Kshs
2018: loss of 7.6 billion Kshs

Only difference is that they have people behind them with a big check book!
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 5:52 pm

AF022 wrote:
if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 6:11 pm

evanb wrote:
AF022 wrote:
if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Do KQ make it work?

Their earnings before tax:
2013: loss of 10.8 billion Kshs
2014: loss of 4.9 billion Kshs
2015: loss of 29.7 billion Kshs
2016: loss of 26.1 billion Kshs
2017: loss of 10.2 billion Kshs
2018: loss of 7.6 billion Kshs

Only difference is that they have people behind them with a big check book!


True, but at least KQ isn't whining about it. Air Peace seems to be blaming their losses on outside forces which they knew existed when they entered the market.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 6:19 pm

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True, but at least KQ isn't whining about it. Air Peace seems to be blaming their losses on outside forces which they knew existed when they entered the market.


It's absolutely been whining about it. So much so that they've even whined to the Kenyan government that they should take over the running of Jomo Kenyatta International Airport so that they can manipulate it in their favor.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 6:22 pm

B747-437B wrote:
Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


On what basis do you assume that they're running it profitably? Given the general state of HNA Group's finances I would more likely assume the opposite.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 6:35 pm

evanb wrote:
On what basis do you assume that they're running it profitably? Given the general state of HNA Group's finances I would more likely assume the opposite.


Not an assumption. AWA is profitable overall, and also at route level on every route presently being operated.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 7:44 pm

If they could find some ex-ET “terrible teens” 788 at low cost, they may get JNB or DXB work, maybe US East cost and DXB. I would most definitely not say CAN as a good spot to fly to——ET can suffocate any demand by expediting transfer in ADD and reduce price, maybe some codeshare.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 7:56 pm

AsoRock wrote:
I’m sorry to say but everything that Air Peace has done as of late does not make any financial sense. In fact, it’s plain obvious this is not a well managed airline. Just because they have captured market share lately (due to Arik Air and Aero financial difficulties) doesn’t make it a well run airline.

Lately, their aim was just to play with Nigerian people’s emotions as opposed to just focusing on good customer service. Why would you purchase ex Emirates aircraft and keep them in the exact same configuration , even their interior identity !!!! I mean the Emirates sand dunes concept belongs to Emirates alone. Why not develop your own identity? What distinguishes Air Peace from other, far better options like Ethiopian or Emirates on routes to China ?
Every other Nigerian airline that entered the long haul market ended up in the grave. P4 won’t fare better. Poor route planning, an aircraft fleet with literally a dozen aircraft types. And above all, a bizarre brand image that just doesn’t cut it for a long haul aspiring carrier.
P4 if objectively run (not emotively in the Nigerian fashsion) should have focused on the regional and domestic network and developed a single or two type fleet (737Ng and regional jet). But of course every Nigerian airline owner pursues ego and pride rather than sound business management.
I don’t see any Nigerian airline well run. Perhaps Green Africa will be but they don’t seem anywhere near ready to acquire an Airline license.


I agree with you as a Chinese. Many African airlines have the obsession of flying to CAN despite them being far from realistic. In Chinese network, we say: “had every one of them gotten their way, Guangzhou would become the capital of Africa”. I know that more pax go to Africa from CAN than Europe, but if RAM can’t get their way to CAN even with right equipment(787), ample O&D demand (17000 per year...... that can get a 2 weekly seasonal already), limited alternatives(only TK and QR have one-stop visa-free) and nice West African connectivity, no other West African airline can get their way.

To be frank, many Chinese, myself included, would have chosen EK/QR over most African Airlines. I am pretty sure that nobody want to fly long haul on African airlines not in an alliance——all people fear poor service.

If you guys want a good example of the aforementioned obsession, search Goldstar Airlines. If an airline would fly to Damascus and call it Guangzhou, I honestly dare not fly on it.

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Thu May 23, 2019 9:01 pm

B747-437B wrote:
AF022 wrote:
if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


KP (Asky) is another airline that deals with the same 'high" charges in West Africa and manages to make a profit.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 10:50 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
B747-437B wrote:
AF022 wrote:
if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


KP (Asky) is another airline that deals with the same 'high" charges in West Africa and manages to make a profit.

The most important part is they have the correct aircraft to fly profitability.
 
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Thu May 23, 2019 10:57 pm

Air Peace will be successful!
I wish them all the best :)
Fly with Air Burundi, Air Tanzania, Golden Wings Aviation, Kenya Airways, RwandAir and Uganda Airlines...Jumuiya ya Afrika mashariki !
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 2:52 pm

Air Peace has now announced their schedule for LOS-SHJ commencing this Sunday 26MAY19. Flight schedules are loaded on their website booking engine, although fares are not yet visible.

P4 7557 LOS 1800 – 0500+1 SHJ 773 257
P4 7558 SHJ 0800 – 1300 LOS 773 136
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 3:54 pm

B747-437B wrote:
Air Peace has now announced their schedule for LOS-SHJ commencing this Sunday 26MAY19. Flight schedules are loaded on their website booking engine, although fares are not yet visible.

P4 7557 LOS 1800 – 0500+1 SHJ 773 257
P4 7558 SHJ 0800 – 1300 LOS 773 136


Yikes, this going to be disaster.

I don't get why they are flying to SHJ instead of DXB and on such short notice. I know SHJ is only 30 min away from DXB but I don't think the most of their customer base knows that. Their flights are basically going to be empty for the next month as Nigerians have to apply for UAE Visa and part of that process is having a confirmed ticket.

The UAE is rumoured to be increasing the scrutiny of Nigerian Visa applicants thanks to issues of criminal behaviour so all in all it is not a good time to be launching flights between Nigeria and the UAE.
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 5:09 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
B747-437B wrote:
AF022 wrote:
if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


KP (Asky) is another airline that deals with the same 'high" charges in West Africa and manages to make a profit.


KP has not made a net profit since 2015 and that too in 2015 it was US$ 4 million only.
Link: https://www.traveltowestafrica.com/asky ... t-in-2015/
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 7:53 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
B747-437B wrote:
Air Peace has now announced their schedule for LOS-SHJ commencing this Sunday 26MAY19. Flight schedules are loaded on their website booking engine, although fares are not yet visible.

P4 7557 LOS 1800 – 0500+1 SHJ 773 257
P4 7558 SHJ 0800 – 1300 LOS 773 136


Yikes, this going to be disaster.

I don't get why they are flying to SHJ instead of DXB and on such short notice. I know SHJ is only 30 min away from DXB but I don't think the most of their customer base knows that. Their flights are basically going to be empty for the next month as Nigerians have to apply for UAE Visa and part of that process is having a confirmed ticket.

The UAE is rumoured to be increasing the scrutiny of Nigerian Visa applicants thanks to issues of criminal behaviour so all in all it is not a good time to be launching flights between Nigeria and the UAE.


Is that DXB runway construction work? Honestly I prefer that they fly to DWC over SHJ in this case.
 
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Fri May 24, 2019 11:34 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
B747-437B wrote:
AF022 wrote:
if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


KP (Asky) is another airline that deals with the same 'high" charges in West Africa and manages to make a profit.


What profit ? What’s your source ? They finally broke even ?
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 3:02 am

AsoRock wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
B747-437B wrote:

Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


KP (Asky) is another airline that deals with the same 'high" charges in West Africa and manages to make a profit.


What profit ? What’s your source ? They finally broke even ?


KP is privately held so there is no public financial report. They made starting turning profits in 2015 and from what I understand have regularly (but not always) turned a profit since then...
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 9:56 am

usflyer msp wrote:
AsoRock wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

KP (Asky) is another airline that deals with the same 'high" charges in West Africa and manages to make a profit.


What profit ? What’s your source ? They finally broke even ?


KP is privately held so there is no public financial report. They made starting turning profits in 2015 and from what I understand have regularly (but not always) turned a profit since then...




I presume you have inside sources at KP? I always wondered why they haven’t till now offered a long haul service to France and elsewhere. They certainly have built enough regional momentum and feed to go long haul. They also have access to cheaper fleet solutions thanks to parent company Ethiopian. I read service to JNB will commence shortly though.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 1:48 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
B747-437B wrote:
AF022 wrote:
if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


KP (Asky) is another airline that deals with the same 'high" charges in West Africa and manages to make a profit.


Nigerian airlines, not just 4P have long complained about protectionism on the West Coast in form of high charges.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2 ... st-routes/
A 319/320/321,A 330-200/300, A 340-300/500/600, B 737-300/400/500,B 737-700/800,B 747-300/400,B 767-200 ER/300 ER, B 777-200/200 ER,CRJ 200/900/1000,DHC-8-300/Q 300, DC-10, ERJ-195,MD-11
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 1:50 pm

SHJ appears on their website presently, but not yet bookable
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Sat May 25, 2019 1:51 pm

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Air Peace has now announced their schedule for LOS-SHJ commencing this Sunday 26MAY19. Flight schedules are loaded on their website booking engine, although fares are not yet visible.

P4 7557 LOS 1800 – 0500+1 SHJ 773 257
P4 7558 SHJ 0800 – 1300 LOS 773 136


Yikes, this going to be disaster.

I don't get why they are flying to SHJ instead of DXB and on such short notice. I know SHJ is only 30 min away from DXB but I don't think the most of their customer base knows that. Their flights are basically going to be empty for the next month as Nigerians have to apply for UAE Visa and part of that process is having a confirmed ticket.

The UAE is rumoured to be increasing the scrutiny of Nigerian Visa applicants thanks to issues of criminal behaviour so all in all it is not a good time to be launching flights between Nigeria and the UAE.


Is that DXB runway construction work? Honestly I prefer that they fly to DWC over SHJ in this case.


I would suggest they spend some of the savings made by landing in SHJ instead of DXB to lay on bus transfers to central DXB to make it more attractive for pax.

Complicated but will surely boost numbers.

Your criminality comment is true, but if things are so bad, why is EK going daily to ABV and 10x to LOS from 01 JUN?
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Re: Air Peace Plans to Launch Johannesburg, London, Houston, Guangzhou and Mumbai; Most Likely from Lagos.

Sat May 25, 2019 1:54 pm

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mapletux wrote:
Air Peace says it will begin flight operations to Johannesburg, South Africa and Sharjah, United Arab Emirates next month.

Newsmen report that Chairman of Air Peace, Allen Onyema, announced the new routes at the inauguration of the airline’s Board of Directors on Wednesday in Ikeja.

https://topnaijaplus.com/air-peace-to-b ... h-in-june/


from that article:
"According to him, Air Peace has lost over N1. 2 billion in the last one year in flying to countries in the West Coast of Africa such as Senegal, Gambia, Ghana, Sierra Leone and Liberia, due to exorbitant charges."

if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Protectionism brah.
And of course, Naija officials are bribeable so foreign airlines get away with blue murder here.

It's part of what SATAM is meant to cure but only if signatories participate sincerely right?
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Sat May 25, 2019 2:01 pm

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if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


Hahahaha.

1. Trust HNA Group approved accounts at your own risk.
2. AWA is heavily protected.
Net tax LOS-ACC round trip is approx $106 on 4P, whereas AWA is approx $52.
I know this because I fly the route at least monthly.
3. AWA have more appropriate a/c like the ERJ, but remember 4P has 6 of the same aircraft in fleet.
Based on 2 above, do you see why 4P has to use larger a/c e.g B 737 CL to try and overcome the "higher" taxes?.
4. 4P has a much larger network and fleet than AWA so IMO the comparison doesn't sit well
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Re: Air Peace Plans to Launch Johannesburg, London, Houston, Guangzhou and Mumbai; Most Likely from Lagos.

Sat May 25, 2019 2:08 pm

5NFGS wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
B747-437B wrote:

Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


KP (Asky) is another airline that deals with the same 'high" charges in West Africa and manages to make a profit.


Nigerian airlines, not just 4P have long complained about protectionism on the West Coast in form of high charges.

https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2 ... st-routes/


I really don't get the complaint. Charges in Accra are higher than in Lagos but if the authorities in Accra are charging the same higher charges to everyone how is it protectionism?
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 2:16 pm

5NFGS wrote:
1. Trust HNA Group approved accounts at your own risk.
2. AWA is heavily protected.
Net tax LOS-ACC is approx $106 on 4P, whereas AWA is approx $52.
I know this because I fly the route at least monthly.
3. AWA have more appropriate a/c like the ERJ, but remember 4P has 6 of the same aircraft in fleet.
Based on 2 above, do you see why 4P has to use larger a/c e.g B 737 CL to try and overcome the "higher" taxes?.
4. 4P has a much larger network and fleet than AWA so IMO the comparison doesn't sit well


1) HNA doesn't prepare AWA's accounts. They are not a controlling shareholder. If you want to know more, you can message me privately. However, suffice to say that AWA is comfortably profitable and has been so for the last 3 years.
2) Taxes on LOS-ACC are not levied by the airlines. If Air Peace doesn't know how to input the correct taxes into their booking engine, that's their problem. The actual taxes for a roundtrip between LOS and ACC should be GH $60 and G5 $20 from the Ghana side, and TE $20, QT $50 and NG 5% of base fare from the Nigeria side.
3) Air Peace has had over half their ERJs out of service recently. They have to run 737s because they didn't have enough operational Embraers.
4) Air Peace's regional network and AWA's regional networks overlap significantly. The airlines go head-to-head on LOS-ACC, ABV-ACC, ROB-ACC and also compete in the same Freetown market. There is fairly significant grounds for comparison.
 
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Re: Air Peace Plans to Launch Johannesburg, London, Houston, Guangzhou and Mumbai; Most Likely from Lagos.

Sat May 25, 2019 2:30 pm

5NFGS wrote:
B747-437B wrote:
AF022 wrote:
if charges are too high, then charge passengers more or stop flying. other airlines like KQ fly to these places, why can KQ make it work but Air Peace can't?


Why look all the way across the continent at Kenya Airways?

Africa World Airlines is based in Ghana and flies to both Sierra Leone and Liberia. In fact, AWA flies more international flights from Nigeria than Air Peace does. And AWA does it profitably.


2. AWA is heavily protected.
Net tax LOS-ACC round trip is approx $106 on 4P, whereas AWA is approx $52.


Based upon me doing a dummy booking, the taxes are exactly the same on both carriers - $150 USD RT. The difference is YQ - a completely made up charge from the airline. AWA's is a flat $60 while 4P's varies up to $165.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 2:37 pm

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I really don't get the complaint. Charges in Accra are higher than in Lagos but if the authorities in Accra are charging the same higher charges to everyone how is it protectionism?


Are the complaints even factually accurate though?

Below figures for an ERJ-145 (25 tons MTOW) flying a roundtrip between LOS and ACC by day. (Source : AIP Ghana, AIP Nigeria, ICAO Document 7100)

DGAA : Landing $45, Navigation $200
DNMM : Landing $227, Navigation $269

Ground handling charges in Accra are not cheap, but it's not like Lagos is particularly cheap either. For an E145 you will probably pay around $400 in Accra and $300 in Lagos. Fuel is also cheaper in Accra ($0.58/ltr) versus Lagos ($0.66/ltr) based on Feb 2019 prices.

At the end of the day, Ghana is much cheaper and more welcoming to foreign carriers than Nigeria is. And this is reflected by Accra airport's traffic growth outstripping Lagos by leaps and bounds.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 2:38 pm

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Based upon me doing a dummy booking, the taxes are exactly the same on both carriers - $150 USD RT. The difference is YQ - a completely made up charge from the airline. AWA's is a flat $60 while 4P's varies up to $165.


AW doesn't charge YQ on any routes. Where are you pricing this?
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 3:26 pm

B747-437B wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
Based upon me doing a dummy booking, the taxes are exactly the same on both carriers - $150 USD RT. The difference is YQ - a completely made up charge from the airline. AWA's is a flat $60 while 4P's varies up to $165.


AW doesn't charge YQ on any routes. Where are you pricing this?


I was using ITA Matrix. I actually made a mistake however (damn phone) the $165 figure is for W3 not 4P. I could not find a breakdown of the taxes for 4P anywhere.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 3:35 pm

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I was using ITA Matrix. I actually made a mistake however (damn phone) the $165 figure is for W3 not 4P. I could not find a breakdown of the taxes for 4P anywhere.


ITA Matrix doesn't list AW flights either (yet). The listings there are for H1 (Hahn Air) coded flights operated by AW. The YQ is Hahn Air's surcharge, not AWA.

You can compare the taxes on the two websites (flyAfricaWorld.com and flyAirPeace.com) respectively.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 5:05 pm

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I’m sorry to say but everything that Air Peace has done as of late does not make any financial sense. In fact, it’s plain obvious this is not a well managed airline. Just because they have captured market share lately (due to Arik Air and Aero financial difficulties) doesn’t make it a well run airline.

Lately, their aim was just to play with Nigerian people’s emotions as opposed to just focusing on good customer service. Why would you purchase ex Emirates aircraft and keep them in the exact same configuration , even their interior identity !!!! I mean the Emirates sand dunes concept belongs to Emirates alone. Why not develop your own identity? What distinguishes Air Peace from other, far better options like Ethiopian or Emirates on routes to China ?
Every other Nigerian airline that entered the long haul market ended up in the grave. P4 won’t fare better. Poor route planning, an aircraft fleet with literally a dozen aircraft types. And above all, a bizarre brand image that just doesn’t cut it for a long haul aspiring carrier.
P4 if objectively run (not emotively in the Nigerian fashsion) should have focused on the regional and domestic network and developed a single or two type fleet (737Ng and regional jet). But of course every Nigerian airline owner pursues ego and pride rather than sound business management.
I don’t see any Nigerian airline well run. Perhaps Green Africa will be but they don’t seem anywhere near ready to acquire an Airline license.


Exactly, This move IMHO is quite suicidal to their finances. I wonder why these guys (Nigerian Airlines) don't want to develop enough muscles before going into the heavyweight arena. As I mention earlier they should have limited their network at most to 6 hours long route from hub using Narrow Body aircraft. Also I wonder why the sort of compete against each other on some regional routes (eg Dakar, W3&P4 schedule are so close to each other), while W3 have a ridiculous once a week flight to FNLU (how does that work for pax?)...

Who are the consultants these guys use?
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 7:35 pm

5NFGS wrote:
B1168 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

Yikes, this going to be disaster.

I don't get why they are flying to SHJ instead of DXB and on such short notice. I know SHJ is only 30 min away from DXB but I don't think the most of their customer base knows that. Their flights are basically going to be empty for the next month as Nigerians have to apply for UAE Visa and part of that process is having a confirmed ticket.

The UAE is rumoured to be increasing the scrutiny of Nigerian Visa applicants thanks to issues of criminal behaviour so all in all it is not a good time to be launching flights between Nigeria and the UAE.


Is that DXB runway construction work? Honestly I prefer that they fly to DWC over SHJ in this case.


I would suggest they spend some of the savings made by landing in SHJ instead of DXB to lay on bus transfers to central DXB to make it more attractive for pax.

Complicated but will surely boost numbers.

Your criminality comment is true, but if things are so bad, why is EK going daily to ABV and 10x to LOS from 01 JUN?


Who knows... Dubai is pretty loose in terms of visa-free transfer, and honestly, I am pretty much picking between EK, ET and QR if I were to travel from Asia-pacific to West Africa, at most plus TK. Since EK target much more than destination demand, I believe that the criminality thing doesn’t affect traffic from Asia-pacific anyway.

That SHJ vs. DXB part...... for me, I am definitely not trying to catch the 2 weekly Air Arabia flight to Urumqi and then fly to the rest of Asia. That is just straight out dumb when EK offer a much better means to travel.
 
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Mon May 27, 2019 5:24 am

Superboi wrote:
AsoRock wrote:
I’m sorry to say but everything that Air Peace has done as of late does not make any financial sense. In fact, it’s plain obvious this is not a well managed airline. Just because they have captured market share lately (due to Arik Air and Aero financial difficulties) doesn’t make it a well run airline.

Lately, their aim was just to play with Nigerian people’s emotions as opposed to just focusing on good customer service. Why would you purchase ex Emirates aircraft and keep them in the exact same configuration , even their interior identity !!!! I mean the Emirates sand dunes concept belongs to Emirates alone. Why not develop your own identity? What distinguishes Air Peace from other, far better options like Ethiopian or Emirates on routes to China ?
Every other Nigerian airline that entered the long haul market ended up in the grave. P4 won’t fare better. Poor route planning, an aircraft fleet with literally a dozen aircraft types. And above all, a bizarre brand image that just doesn’t cut it for a long haul aspiring carrier.
P4 if objectively run (not emotively in the Nigerian fashsion) should have focused on the regional and domestic network and developed a single or two type fleet (737Ng and regional jet). But of course every Nigerian airline owner pursues ego and pride rather than sound business management.
I don’t see any Nigerian airline well run. Perhaps Green Africa will be but they don’t seem anywhere near ready to acquire an Airline license.


Exactly, This move IMHO is quite suicidal to their finances. I wonder why these guys (Nigerian Airlines) don't want to develop enough muscles before going into the heavyweight arena. As I mention earlier they should have limited their network at most to 6 hours long route from hub using Narrow Body aircraft. Also I wonder why the sort of compete against each other on some regional routes (eg Dakar, W3&P4 schedule are so close to each other), while W3 have a ridiculous once a week flight to FNLU (how does that work for pax?)...

Who are the consultants these guys use?


I am really inclined to think these airlines are the result of dubious money laundering schemes. That would be the only explanation to wishing business failure when all indicators and sound business advice point to one direction while they embark on the opposition.
 
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Re: Air Peace Plans to Launch Johannesburg, London, Houston, Guangzhou and Mumbai; Most Likely from Lagos.

Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:28 pm

So I went online to book an ABV-LOS and discovered that Air Peace has loaded the following destinations on their website booking engine:
Almaty ALA
Ahmedabad AMD
Amman AMM
Beirut BEY
Baku BKU
Bangalore BLR
Mumbai BOM
Chattogram CGP
Colombo CMB
Delhi DEL
Dhaka DAC
Hyderabad HYD
Jaipur JAI
Jeddah JED
Karachi KHI
Faisalabad LYP
Chennai MAA
Sharjah SHJ

Why do I think they have an SHJ based interline partner they are not telling us about yet?

Looking squarely at you, Air Arabia
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:48 pm

5NFGS wrote:
So I went online to book an ABV-LOS and discovered that Air Peace has loaded the following destinations on their website booking engine:
Almaty ALA
Ahmedabad AMD
Amman AMM
Beirut BEY
Baku BKU
Bangalore BLR
Mumbai BOM
Chattogram CGP
Colombo CMB
Delhi DEL
Dhaka DAC
Hyderabad HYD
Jaipur JAI
Jeddah JED
Karachi KHI
Faisalabad LYP
Chennai MAA
Sharjah SHJ

Why do I think they have an SHJ based interline partner they are not telling us about yet?

Looking squarely at you, Air Arabia


Not really that secret....
http://aviationages.com/said-will-not-l ... -chairman/

"Air Peace does not want to do point to point international flight operations. As I talk to you, a very formidable airline from the Middle East has agreed to work with Air Peace. I won’t tell you the name yet. They are integrating their systems with ours as I am talking to you. When Air Peace drops you at say in Dubai or Sharjah, another airline will pick to Malaysia, India, Indonesia or Singapore. All you need to do is just to buy Air Peace ticket, check-in your luggage and you will get your luggage at your final destination.”

“We have signed an international code-share agreement with the airline. Anywhere we are trying to go, we are aligning with other airlines. Do not forget, we are IATA Operational Safety Audit, IOSA certified and we are member of International Air Transport Association, IATA. The world knows that this airline is very serious. This is why we are taking our time to do it, so that when we hit the ground from November this year, this country will celebrate.”
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:28 am

Midwestindy wrote:
5NFGS wrote:
So I went online to book an ABV-LOS and discovered that Air Peace has loaded the following destinations on their website booking engine:
Almaty ALA
Ahmedabad AMD
Amman AMM
Beirut BEY
Baku BKU
Bangalore BLR
Mumbai BOM
Chattogram CGP
Colombo CMB
Delhi DEL
Dhaka DAC
Hyderabad HYD
Jaipur JAI
Jeddah JED
Karachi KHI
Faisalabad LYP
Chennai MAA
Sharjah SHJ

Why do I think they have an SHJ based interline partner they are not telling us about yet?

Looking squarely at you, Air Arabia


Not really that secret....
http://aviationages.com/said-will-not-l ... -chairman/

"Air Peace does not want to do point to point international flight operations. As I talk to you, a very formidable airline from the Middle East has agreed to work with Air Peace. I won’t tell you the name yet. They are integrating their systems with ours as I am talking to you. When Air Peace drops you at say in Dubai or Sharjah, another airline will pick to Malaysia, India, Indonesia or Singapore. All you need to do is just to buy Air Peace ticket, check-in your luggage and you will get your luggage at your final destination.”

“We have signed an international code-share agreement with the airline. Anywhere we are trying to go, we are aligning with other airlines. Do not forget, we are IATA Operational Safety Audit, IOSA certified and we are member of International Air Transport Association, IATA. The world knows that this airline is very serious. This is why we are taking our time to do it, so that when we hit the ground from November this year, this country will celebrate.”


Well it was news to me hence my sharing.

The thread is richer for it.

Your source still does not confirm who the partner is though.
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:18 am

So did they start the Sharjah service then?

Any date yet for Johannesburg launch...?
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:52 am

https://nairametrics.com/2019/06/11/inv ... rom-probe/

The Accident Investigation Bureau (AIB) has accused Air Peace of committing several safety infractions due to its persistent failure to report serious accidents and incidents involving its aircraft in the Nigerian Airspace.
 
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So did they start the Sharjah service then?


Rescheduled now for 5th July 2019 launch.

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