kiowa
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American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Wed May 15, 2019 9:20 pm

https://www.foxnews.com/us/airline-pilo ... e-homicide

The media calls this AA and yet it was a commuter airline flying for American. Is that wrong or sensationalism or justified? Either way, you should probably "comply with crewmember instructions". ----or else----
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Wed May 15, 2019 9:30 pm

To be fair he flew for PSA: "PSA Airlines is a wholly-owned subsidiary of American Airlines" (as their website says)
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Wed May 15, 2019 9:44 pm

Looks like it now says "American Airlines subsidiary"...but this is one of those pros and cons of farming out to regional airlines. You take the good with your bad...the good (for the airline) is having to pay less but getting your name put on the side of an aircraft you don't own; the bad is that, if something goes wrong, your name is on the side of an aircraft you don't own.
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Wed May 15, 2019 9:50 pm

sw733 wrote:
Looks like it now says "American Airlines subsidiary"...but this is one of those pros and cons of farming out to regional airlines. You take the good with your bad...the good (for the airline) is having to pay less but getting your name put on the side of an aircraft you don't own; the bad is that, if something goes wrong, your name is on the side of an aircraft you don't own.


Except American Airlines Group does own the aircraft, soooo...
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Wed May 15, 2019 9:50 pm

I don’t see how this has anything to do with airlines or airplanes. The accused is wearing a pilot uniform. Dumb. But, this has about as much to do with airlines or planes as going shopping in the mall
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Wed May 15, 2019 10:13 pm

Already being discussed in Non-Av - other that the fact that the suspect is a pilot, it has nothing to do with aviation.
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Wed May 15, 2019 10:53 pm

Already posted here:

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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Wed May 15, 2019 11:19 pm

The question is, should the airline be responsible for the regional carriers that carry it’s name? Is it fair for American Airlines to carry the bad publicity associated with a regional carrier just because their name is on the side of the aircraft ?
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Wed May 15, 2019 11:35 pm

kiowa wrote:
The question is, should the airline be responsible for the regional carriers that carry it’s name? Is it fair for American Airlines to carry the bad publicity associated with a regional carrier just because their name is on the side of the aircraft ?


Absolutely. PSA is a subcontractor contracted by AA, American Airlines absolutely bares responsibilty for actions of its subcontractors.
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Thu May 16, 2019 1:32 am

kiowa wrote:
The question is, should the airline be responsible for the regional carriers that carry it’s name? Is it fair for American Airlines to carry the bad publicity associated with a regional carrier just because their name is on the side of the aircraft ?


99% of the public who buy a ticket on AA don't know or care if the flight they board is operated by a regional carrier. And if it is, they don't know or care which one. Most only know they bought a ticket from AA, flew on plane that said "American" or "American Eagle" on the side, and collected their AA miles. The majority who get off a PSA flight have probably never even heard of PSA. The same can be said for UA and DL passengers flying their respective poor performing third party regional carriers.

This "mainline only, we're not responsible for anything" only matters to corporate PR types and a.net fanboys.
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Thu May 16, 2019 1:38 am

Yes, the average consumer will not know about the operating carrier. And to not accept blame is definitely an excuse for bad behavior.
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Thu May 16, 2019 1:38 am

Any more of last weeks news you would like to share? Where do we need to catch you up from? Did you see that the FAA grounded the Max 8?
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Thu May 16, 2019 1:45 am

In any event, the murder was not on an airplane or airline property, so the accused's employer is completely irrelevant. If he worked for Kmart, would it be so sensationalized?

But yes, this is an unnecessary duplicate thread.
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Thu May 16, 2019 1:51 am

Wingtips56 wrote:
In any event, the murder was not on an airplane or airline property, so the accused's employer is completely irrelevant. If he worked for Kmart, would it be so sensationalized?

But yes, this is an unnecessary duplicate thread.


To be fair if he worked for KMart he wouldn't have the opportunity to murder a plane full of people with a simple nose dive.
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Thu May 16, 2019 2:20 am

IPFreely wrote:
This "mainline only, we're not responsible for anything" only matters to corporate PR types and a.net fanboys.

That's not even remotely accurate... one need only look to the legal ramifications of the Colgan crash to see why.

True that most pax don't know/care if they're on a regional or mailine, but considering the issue of legal liability, it certainly "matters" way more than for the sake of PR or hobby.
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Thu May 16, 2019 3:11 am

If the goal of the mainline carrier is to operate their regional flights in such a way that the Customer experience is consistent or seamless, then the negative marketing associated with said regional affiliate should be expected to be carried in part by the mainline carrier. This can be seen in the inverse when a mainline carrier "includes" the regional affiliates destinations/fleet/OTP/Customer Service scores/etc etc in their reporting of metrics.
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Thu May 16, 2019 3:15 am

sw733 wrote:
Looks like it now says "American Airlines subsidiary"...but this is one of those pros and cons of farming out to regional airlines. You take the good with your bad...the good (for the airline) is having to pay less but getting your name put on the side of an aircraft you don't own; the bad is that, if something goes wrong, your name is on the side of an aircraft you don't own.


PSA is a wholly owned AA airline, AA bought planes for them to use, thus there name is on their own planes, not another airlines.
 
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Re: American Airlines pilot arrested for murder.

Thu May 16, 2019 3:21 am

kiowa wrote:
The question is, should the airline be responsible for the regional carriers that carry it’s name? Is it fair for American Airlines to carry the bad publicity associated with a regional carrier just because their name is on the side of the aircraft ?


So McDonalds should not have been liable for the coffee spill as it was a franchise that did it? Yes, if they contract for an airline to fly for them or own and buy the airlines planes as is this case. Anything that happens that is associated with the carrier is linked 100% to them.

However as noted above he was a pilot it was not at work, not the airlines problem.
If he had crashed the plane with her on board or flew it into her home, then it would be the airlines problem.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 3:34 am

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