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What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 1:56 am

Since Airbus has officially announced the end of A380 production, and many airlines have made plans to phase out the aircraft, I guess its an appropriate time to ask what airports are going to do with their elevated jet bridges and the interior boarding platforms accompanying them. This would be a pretty big issue for DXB, LHR, SYD, SIN, JFK which all have several A380 gates.

All the A380 jetways at DOH would become obsolete, since the QR is the sole user of the jet at that airport and they are phasing them out during the coming years.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:09 am

Nothing in the short-term. Production may be winding down, but the A380 will still be in service for many years to come. The airports that have those jet bridges tend to be the ones that can justify A380 service, so they're not going anywhere. Once the last A380 is parked, they'll be replaced.
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:10 am

gunsontheroof wrote:
Nothing in the short-term. Production may be winding down, but the A380 will still be in service for many years to come. The airports that have those jet bridges tend to be the ones that can justify A380 service, so they're not going anywhere. Once the last A380 is parked, they'll be replaced.

I wonder if in the distant future another aircraft would be able to utilize them
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:21 am

Probably turn the one A380 gate into two separate gates. The A380 has a wingspan of 262ft while an A320 is only 117ft. Less than half the wingspan of the A380. So converting one into two should work just fine.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:24 am

acavpics wrote:
Since Airbus has officially announced the end of A380 production, and many airlines have made plans to phase out the aircraft, I guess its an appropriate time to ask what airports are going to do with their elevated jet bridges and the interior boarding platforms accompanying them. This would be a pretty big issue for DXB, LHR, SYD, SIN, JFK which all have several A380 gates.

All the A380 jetways at DOH would become obsolete, since the QR is the sole user of the jet at that airport and they are phasing them out during the coming years.


I guess they'll just leave them as is. I don't suspect the A380 is going to disappear that fast - it will be around for a long time and some of them are still not yet delivered.

How do we know in the future if there won't be another super-jumbo from either Boeing, Airbus or some other manufacturer? The time is so far away we can't possibly accurately predict what could happen.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:32 am

WeatherPilot wrote:
Probably turn the one A380 gate into two separate gates. The A380 has a wingspan of 262ft while an A320 is only 117ft. Less than half the wingspan of the A380. So converting one into two should work just fine.


BNE already does this, and I'm sure that others do as well. At BNE gates 75 and 76 can take an A380 or be used as two narrowbody gates (75A, 75B etc) with the two lower deck jetbridges used for A and B respectively.
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:39 am

Perhaps the 777X can use the gates with wingtips unfolded :duck:
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:44 am

Perhaps they can add a boarding door from the top of a 777 and have passengers go down the stairs inside the plane?
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:47 am

I wouldn't be surprised if in 20 years a VLA is produced that will be able to utilize these gates after the A380 is retired.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 3:04 am

First, the A380 will still be around for many more years, so they won't become obsolete for a while.

Secondly, it's not that a 77W or A35K or 748 cant use those parking positions and just use 2 of the 3 bridges. That's whats happening a most airports today anyway.

Lastly, many airports have configured those VLA positions in a way that it can service either one A380 with 3 bridges, or 2 narrowbodies or even one A330-size aircraft plus another narrowbody. They are not exclusive for A380s at most airports, this kind of real estate is way to expensive to utilise only once or twice a day...

The elevated jetbridge itself is only a minor piece in the puzzle of making a gate and airport A380-capable, and I am sure they will find a way how to reconfigure them efficiently (or dismantle and reuse).
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 7:41 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:
Probably turn the one A380 gate into two separate gates. The A380 has a wingspan of 262ft while an A320 is only 117ft. Less than half the wingspan of the A380. So converting one into two should work just fine.


BNE already does this, and I'm sure that others do as well. At BNE gates 75 and 76 can take an A380 or be used as two narrowbody gates (75A, 75B etc) with the two lower deck jetbridges used for A and B respectively.

Same with AKL at gates 17 through 19. You can either park four A380s (or other widebodies) or eight narrowbodies in that space, depending on what's needed. The forward-most Aerobridge stretches extra long so that it can reach the right hand parking position.

Image The photo was taken before Gates 17,18 and 19 were built, but you get the idea. When I was travelling to Melbourne a while ago, the QF 737-8 I was on was at 15L, there was an NZ A320 to the Gold Coast on 15R, 16 was occupied by a LATAM 787, 17L was a QF 737-8 to Sydney, 17R was empty and 18 had a NZ 77E parked there. Very flexible, depending on what's needed.

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Secondly, it's not that a 77W or A35K or 748 cant use those parking positions and just use 2 of the 3 bridges. That's whats happening a most airports today anyway.


:checkmark: I'd wager that the majority of "A380 gates" outside of hubs like DXB, FRA, SIN etc are occupied by non A380 aircraft the majority of the time. Heck, even at FRA, the Z Pier usually has just as many A340s and 747s as it does A380s during the morning rush.
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 8:54 am

Putting in place the infrastructure required by the A380 was expensive and time-consuming. However, the cost and time that it involved will offer flexibility for the OEMs, airlines and airports for the future, to be able to evolve as the world does. If VLAs become necessary in future, the infrastructure exists. If not, or if it will be a very long time until it is necessary, the existing gates can still be used efficiently as other posters have mentioned.
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 10:39 am

zkojq wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
WeatherPilot wrote:
Probably turn the one A380 gate into two separate gates. The A380 has a wingspan of 262ft while an A320 is only 117ft. Less than half the wingspan of the A380. So converting one into two should work just fine.


BNE already does this, and I'm sure that others do as well. At BNE gates 75 and 76 can take an A380 or be used as two narrowbody gates (75A, 75B etc) with the two lower deck jetbridges used for A and B respectively.

Same with AKL at gates 17 through 19. You can either park four A380s (or other widebodies) or eight narrowbodies in that space, depending on what's needed. The forward-most Aerobridge stretches extra long so that it can reach the right hand parking position.

Image The photo was taken before Gates 17,18 and 19 were built, but you get the idea. When I was travelling to Melbourne a while ago, the QF 737-8 I was on was at 15L, there was an NZ A320 to the Gold Coast on 15R, 16 was occupied by a LATAM 787, 17L was a QF 737-8 to Sydney, 17R was empty and 18 had a NZ 77E parked there. Very flexible, depending on what's needed.

A350OZ wrote:
Secondly, it's not that a 77W or A35K or 748 cant use those parking positions and just use 2 of the 3 bridges. That's whats happening a most airports today anyway.


:checkmark: I'd wager that the majority of "A380 gates" outside of hubs like DXB, FRA, SIN etc are occupied by non A380 aircraft the majority of the time. Heck, even at FRA, the Z Pier usually has just as many A340s and 747s as it does A380s during the morning rush.


That photo really is pretty impressive. 4 Airbus A380s lined up at AKL. It really shows the market size for the island and the sheer volume of people transiting to NZ. Considering EK only fly to DXB from AKL (both direct/indirect), I have no doubt that the A380 will be flying for a while, at airlines like EK for routes like these.

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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 11:26 am

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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 12:09 pm

WeatherPilot wrote:
Probably turn the one A380 gate into two separate gates. The A380 has a wingspan of 262ft while an A320 is only 117ft. Less than half the wingspan of the A380. So converting one into two should work just fine.


This is exactly the answer and many airports already provide such an arrangement for gate flexibility.

Generally, a non-issue.
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 12:21 pm

The A380 triple airbridge at GLA was only constructed this year and opened a month ago. The official line is that it can handle other aircraft as well and that the existing single airbridge needed replacing anyway due to age. I suspect there will be others at other airports in exactly the same position.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:29 pm

cpd wrote:
How do we know in the future if there won't be another super-jumbo from either Boeing, Airbus or some other manufacturer? The time is so far away we can't possibly accurately predict what could happen.


Well we've been seeing a major trend among pretty much all airlines in which they are phasing out planes that have 1. Excess capacity and 2. Need more than 2 engines. It's been seen over time that airlines benefit from flying smaller, more efficient planes several times a day between cities rather than fly a large one on low frequency as it helps draw in more business travelers. Just take a look at how Boeing has struggled to sell the 747-8i.

I doubt that we will see another type of super-jumbo for quite a while. Air travel has increased drastically over the years, but not enough to need jets of such size and capacity.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:54 pm

After the A380 is gone they will use them for B747s. Oh, wait. Guess not.
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Thu May 16, 2019 2:56 pm

Simple, remove the third jet bridge.
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 1:53 am

Can the 3rd jet bridge go down so maybe they can board through all 3 doors on a 773?
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 2:17 am

A380 has set a new standard of airport ground equipment for VLA. Future VLA will be designed in a way to meet the airport infrastructures that is currently made for A380.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 2:47 am

Ziyulu wrote:
Can the 3rd jet bridge go down so maybe they can board through all 3 doors on a 773?



Unless your joking the jetway would have to go over the wing and that wounding work with some a380 gates.Plus i feel like the gate would break.Lastly that would probably take sometime getting there.(Sorry if this sounded rude)
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 7:58 am

In VKO there is an A380-capable gate 23 but the only airline serving Moscow with A380 is Emirates in DME. But they don’t do anything with this gate and just park there aircrafts like B744 of Rossiya or TK A333. It was used by appointment only when LH A380 came once in 2012 on a special visit.
In DME gate 11/11A is divided in two separate when there is no A380 and other widebodies.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 8:08 am

Am I the only fool that thinks by the time the A380s are phased out...the two manufactures just based on the rising population trajectory would have come up with a whole new wide-bodies that are extra wide twins of the current a350/777 and will need the wing span and those gates?
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 10:21 am

It's the cost of doing business, it's a non issue.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 10:41 am

At JFK, They didn’t really design 380 specific gates. there are several gates that can accommodate it. Redesigns took place at T1 and T4...But they are gates that are used interchangeably with the other airplanes

JFK did spend a lot of money on reinforcing the taxiway bridges. When 22R was rebuilt it was made 380 capable.

Currently, 31R is being made 380 capable thru the redo and will open in Nov

You have to imagine there will be other VLAs in the future
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 1:12 pm

Planes4you wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
Can the 3rd jet bridge go down so maybe they can board through all 3 doors on a 773?

Unless your joking the jetway would have to go over the wing and that wounding work with some a380 gates.Plus i feel like the gate would break.Lastly that would probably take sometime getting there.(Sorry if this sounded rude)

It's happened before. United tried going with a two-jetway setup in Denver with the second jetway going over the wing. Needless to say a 757 got damaged when a jetway collapsed onto the wing.

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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 1:29 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
You have to imagine there will be other VLAs in the future

Hmmm, well, I would think so as well. From my office window I see about a dozen of VLA‘s landing or taking off from FRA and I wonder how these VLA‘s will be replaced (.... actually, the answer is easy, it’s an aircraft with a lot of sevens in its name...), especially if passenger numbers continue to grow.

BUT ... who should produce such „other VLA“?

Airbus? I heard all future management meetings will be held in Tarbes with a nice view onto the apron... ;-)

Boeing?

Any Russian OEM?

I don’t see any any new VLA during the remaining lifetime of these in discussion here.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 2:29 pm

hongkongflyer wrote:
A380 has set a new standard of airport ground equipment for VLA. Future VLA will be designed in a way to meet the airport infrastructures that is currently made for A380.


Wrong. Aircraft are designed for (perceived) carrier needs, not existing infrastructure. Otherwise there never would have been the A380, needing the gate infrastructure to be built.

Somehow I don't think privately held airports will declare A380 gates impaired assets and have write-downs. As for the few (publicly owned) U.S. airports with A380 gates, it's just a few hundred million wasted $, like a long runway for an airport that's unlikely to have ULH flights in the next twenty years.
 
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Re: What are airport going to do with their A380 gates when they are no longer needed?

Fri May 17, 2019 3:50 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
hongkongflyer wrote:
A380 has set a new standard of airport ground equipment for VLA. Future VLA will be designed in a way to meet the airport infrastructures that is currently made for A380.


Wrong. Aircraft are designed for (perceived) carrier needs, not existing infrastructure. Otherwise there never would have been the A380, needing the gate infrastructure to be built.

Somehow I don't think privately held airports will declare A380 gates impaired assets and have write-downs. As for the few (publicly owned) U.S. airports with A380 gates, it's just a few hundred million wasted $, like a long runway for an airport that's unlikely to have ULH flights in the next twenty years.


But there will be "industrial practices" that the manufacturers will follow in the design phase.
Two typical example:
1) almost all planes are designed to have passengers boarding / deboarding on the port side while luggage/ cargo on the starboard side
2) try their best to make the planes within certain dimensions, or not, Boeing won't need to develop the folding wing tips to make it a code F plane.

No people force them to follow such practices. Folding wing tips even add weight (i.e. fuel consumption) to the plane,
so it could be interpreted as aginst (perceived) carrier needs to meet the existing infrastructures' requirements,
but why to do so? Because making the plane demanding more specific infrastructures will reduce the flexibility of the plane and become less attractive to airlines.
So unless the new model is so unique; advance and efficient enough to justify such inflexibility and related costs,
why not follow the "industrial practices" and utilize the existing facilities if possible?

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