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Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Thu May 16, 2019 12:45 pm

Can DL's A330neo out of Seattle fly SEA-SIN/SYD!? Singapore & Sydney are the 2 last 2 high yielding markets in the Pacific that DL doesn't fly out of SEA. What will happen to NRT-MNL/SIN when they move to HND!?
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Thu May 16, 2019 12:49 pm

In theory it could, but the headwinds make westward flight across the Pacific pretty damn tough.

DL's A330neo MIGHT be able to reach Brisbane. Just. But Sydney? That requires an A350.

Singapore would need an A350.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Thu May 16, 2019 12:49 pm

If Delta want to fly to SIN/SYD from SEA they will either use the A359 or B777
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Thu May 16, 2019 12:55 pm

AECM wrote:
If Delta want to fly to SIN/SYD from SEA they will either use the A359 or B777


And they won't want to fly SEA-SYD (LAX-SYD is a vastly bigger market) nor SEA-SIN (not with SQ on it) so the question is moot.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Thu May 16, 2019 1:00 pm

x1234 wrote:
Can DL's A330neo out of Seattle fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

DL might have a better chance if they ordered this..... :airplane: .....



SIN & SYD are both iffy...although final performance results from its certification campaign could prove it's doable.

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SEA-SIN%2FSYD&MS=wls&DU=nm
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Thu May 16, 2019 3:41 pm

I would not have thought that SYD was closer to SEA than SIN. I’m always learning.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Thu May 16, 2019 3:46 pm

x1234 wrote:
What will happen to NRT-MNL/SIN when they move to HND!?

Perhaps then PR would finally launch its long-planned foray into SEA...but again, with what aircraft :?: Their A359 may still be too much plane for it. :scratchchin:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=SEA-NRT-MN ... =wls&DU=nm
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Thu May 16, 2019 3:47 pm

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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:42 am

why does DL have to end service beyond NRT...yes they are moving most to HND but there is still a demand for Tokyo in general. Flights from the US land at NRT and continue on to SIN/MNL and what ever else they want to add, like what happens now....Just fewer flights from the US to NRT.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:58 am

Super88 wrote:
why does DL have to end service beyond NRT...yes they are moving most to HND but there is still a demand for Tokyo in general. Flights from the US land at NRT and continue on to SIN/MNL and what ever else they want to add, like what happens now....Just fewer flights from the US to NRT.

Because they'll literally cease NRT as a station after the move to HND since no flights will be left - apart from the MNL and SIN tag.

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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:00 am

DL probably could, particularly with the 251T NEOs, but flights against winds would be difficult, so the route would go to the A359, the 777 is probably a bit too much plane
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:00 am

Super88 wrote:
why does DL have to end service beyond NRT...yes they are moving most to HND but there is still a demand for Tokyo in general. Flights from the US land at NRT and continue on to SIN/MNL and what ever else they want to add, like what happens now....Just fewer flights from the US to NRT.


By rule, DL is required to fly USA-JAPAN-SIN/MNL. They can’t fly the Japan-SIN/MNL tag without a corresponding USA-Japan flight attached to the itinerary.

Due to HND slot restrictions, it is highly unlikely DL could get a slot to operate SIN/MNL-HND. It is also very unlikely that DL will be flying USA-NRT once they move to all of their existing USA-NRT flights to HND next year. Hence the issue.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:06 am

Another example of Delta dropping the ball on the 787...

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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:32 am

x1234 wrote:
Can DL's A330neo out of Seattle fly SEA-SIN/SYD!? Singapore & Sydney are the 2 last 2 high yielding markets in the Pacific that DL doesn't fly out of SEA. What will happen to NRT-MNL/SIN when they move to HND!?


SYD (and Australia in general) hasn't been "that" high yielding for a while. Especially with the recent UA expansions (and subsequent seasonal pullbacks on SYD-IAH/LAX) and the recent QF/AA JV approval which will no doubt put some pressure on yields.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:42 am

QF is the only carrier that makes sense on SYD-SEA given that there would be feed on both ends with the QF/AS partnership. Everything that DL has in its fleet that can reliably make the trip is too much plane for the route, whereas QF could probably make it work with a 787. Even then, I'm not holding my breath...I won't be surprised if the only QF bird I ever see in SEA ends up being the 744 that I caught on diversion from YVR a few years ago.
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:00 am

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QF is the only carrier that makes sense on SYD-SEA given that there would be feed on both ends with the QF/AS partnership. Everything that DL has in its fleet that can reliably make the trip is too much plane for the route, whereas QF could probably make it work with a 787. Even then, I'm not holding my breath...I won't be surprised if the only QF bird I ever see in SEA ends up being the 744 that I caught on diversion from YVR a few years ago.


DL would have feed on both ends with their partnership with VA and their own hub in SEA. That said I don't see it any time soon.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:06 am

gunsontheroof wrote:
QF is the only carrier that makes sense on SYD-SEA given that there would be feed on both ends with the QF/AS partnership. Everything that DL has in its fleet that can reliably make the trip is too much plane for the route, whereas QF could probably make it work with a 787. Even then, I'm not holding my breath...I won't be surprised if the only QF bird I ever see in SEA ends up being the 744 that I caught on diversion from YVR a few years ago.


DL also has a hub on both ends of any potential future SEA-SYD route, in conjunction with their JV partner VA.
Their own hub in SEA and VA's hub in SYD.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:19 am

Is there anyway to pull the numbers for Aussies going to SEA? I only ever hear of it being a big business destination for Aussies on a.net otherwise I don’t see anything else written up on the subject. I feel it’s an a.net pipe dream with limited traffic in reality when compared to other US ports - IAH,DFW,NYC,LAX,SFO
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:58 am

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I would not have thought that SYD was closer to SEA than SIN. I’m always learning.


Yeah. To me, SIN always seems like this weird place that somehow is always farther from everything in the states.

The one that also gets me is SFO is closer to HNL than LAX. I will never understand that one.
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:06 am

I could see a Delta SEA-SYD service as it would copy the success QF have with QF7/8 at DFW. DFW is only there primarily for connections and to get rid of double connects... Why VA/DL can’t copy the success at Seattle? Especially how there is more corporate demand from Seattle with companies such as Amazon/Microsoft etc based there. I feel this is a VA/DL to lose if QF beat them with a SEA service. If it was not for the AA/QF JV there would have been a QF SEA service.

Personally I think that there should be additional DL flying with BNE-MSP allowing more 1 stop connections either end to the states. Put it this way to US 3rd largest city (Chicago) it’s a 2 stop connection on VA/DL v a one stop(soon to be non stop) on QF.
 
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Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:40 am

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Another example of Delta dropping the ball on the 787...

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Did Delta really drop the ball or just make an Aircraft decision you disagreed with?? You have NO IDEA what incentives Delta got to go all Airbus.
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:53 am

ibthebigd wrote:
Another example of Delta dropping the ball on the 787...

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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:55 am

ibthebigd wrote:
Another example of Delta dropping the ball on the 787...


Why? The 787 can do SEA-SYD but why does DL need that? If there is a big enough market for SEA-SYD, DL will put an A359 on it.
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:06 am

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ibthebigd wrote:
Another example of Delta dropping the ball on the 787...

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If only Boeing delivered the airplane on time.


Not sure what you are getting at with such a pointless statement.

All 787s are on time for several years now, including when DL would have taken delivery if they’d selected the 787 a few years ago.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:13 am

has DL announcement that NRT will be totally closed....can DL add service to NRT if they wanted....when the time comes DL will announce what will happen with NRT, and SIN/MNL could possilbe stay with possible new flights from the US....2020 is a while away and we will see what happens as the time gets closer
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:40 am

So what I haven't seen mentioned here yet is that Delta's stated range for the A330neo is dramatically lower than the advertised rating:

https://www.delta.com/us/en/aircraft/airbus/a330-900 suggests DL's is ranged at 5900 NAM/6790 SM. But Airbus advertises 7200 NAM/8325 SM.

This is such a dramatic difference that it has to be conscious choice on Delta's part to take a derated version of the plane. And, suspiciously, that matches with the first batch of routes they plan to serve: the longest is SEA-PVG at 5722 sm, so there's a nice 1000 mile buffer in there.

Clearly, this is fine for Delta's current route plans. But does anyone know what doing this buys Delta? And is this an actual hardware change at the factory, or is it just a paper derating that could be reversed someday?
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:58 am

I believe Airbus is advertising the range for its 251 t MTOW version of the A339.

DL probably has the current 242 t machine but it is premium heavy - so it has quite decent range.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:05 am

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777Mech wrote:
ibthebigd wrote:
Another example of Delta dropping the ball on the 787...

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If only Boeing delivered the airplane on time.


Not sure what you are getting at with such a pointless statement.

All 787s are on time for several years now, including when DL would have taken delivery if they’d selected the 787 a few years ago.

I think it's rather obvious! If Boeing had delivered the B787 on time NW would have taken delivery & DL would have had a B787 fleet. At least that is what is implied, I don't remember enough about the dates to be totally sure.

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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:14 am

flee wrote:
I believe Airbus is advertising the range for its 251 t MTOW version of the A339.

DL probably has the current 242 t machine but it is premium heavy - so it has quite decent range.

The 251t version does not EIS until mid 2020 AIRC.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:35 am

SCFlyer wrote:
gunsontheroof wrote:
QF is the only carrier that makes sense on SYD-SEA given that there would be feed on both ends with the QF/AS partnership. Everything that DL has in its fleet that can reliably make the trip is too much plane for the route, whereas QF could probably make it work with a 787. Even then, I'm not holding my breath...I won't be surprised if the only QF bird I ever see in SEA ends up being the 744 that I caught on diversion from YVR a few years ago.


DL also has a hub on both ends of any potential future SEA-SYD route, in conjunction with their JV partner VA.
Their own hub in SEA and VA's hub in SYD.


Ah, I was not aware of that but I probably should have been. I still think that the DL birds that can make it are too much airplane for the route, and that's based on me thinking a 789 might even be difficult to fill.
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:48 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
flee wrote:
I believe Airbus is advertising the range for its 251 t MTOW version of the A339.

DL probably has the current 242 t machine but it is premium heavy - so it has quite decent range.

The 251t version does not EIS until mid 2020 AIRC.

That is correct - Airbus is advertising the 251 t MTOW range because new orders will be delivered after its EIS.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:19 am

SuseJ772 wrote:

The one that also gets me is SFO is closer to HNL than LAX. I will never understand that one.
Easy, if you look at a map. The California coast angles eastward quite a bit once you get south of San Francisco. Therefore, SFO is quite a distance west of LAX.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:51 am

Great routes for the A350.
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Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:51 am

smi0006 wrote:
Is there anyway to pull the numbers for Aussies going to SEA? I only ever hear of it being a big business destination for Aussies on a.net otherwise I don’t see anything else written up on the subject. I feel it’s an a.net pipe dream with limited traffic in reality when compared to other US ports - IAH,DFW,NYC,LAX,SFO



I agree.. After living and knowing and working with Australia travel, I can't recall hardly many Australians that have or desire to travel to Seattle. Mostly there are no real ties between the places other then relativity new business from tech sector. I don't think this is enough to justify a non-stop and especially from Delta is a minor player in this game. Moreover, it's not a great transfer point between USA and Australia, SFO and LAX, DFW have this covered with more options, frequency etc.
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:00 pm

Yeah, there is likely a very low chance of DL starting SEA-SYD. Anyone who wants to go to SYD can route via LAX.
But, with the closure of NRT... I could see SIN at least (and maybe....MNL) from SEA being possible.

Delta might even lose money on those routes for a bit themselves, just to provide the DL metal service to those markets.
SIN has the business ties to support a N/S. MNL just might have enough legacy traffic to do so.

Maybe....
 
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Re: Can DL's A330neo fly SEA-SIN/SYD!?

Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:26 pm

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777Mech wrote:
ibthebigd wrote:
Another example of Delta dropping the ball on the 787...

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If only Boeing delivered the airplane on time.


Not sure what you are getting at with such a pointless statement.


You mean, just as pointless as the inital statement? :rotfl:
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