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Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Thu May 16, 2019 3:38 pm

Back by request, here is an update on commercial aircraft valuations and market lease rates.

As before, the below list contains estimated current market value (in USD) based on the oldest to newest airframes, along with sample monthly lease rates also based on oldest to newest airframes for many common models.

Pax
A220 - $30.0 - 38.0M, $205-310,000
A319 – $5.0 - 37.0M, $80-280,000
A320 – $2.0 - 44.8M, $60-330,000
A320neo - $42 - 50M, $310-370,000
A321 – $10.4 - 52.0M, $130-385,000
A330-200 – $15.0 - 82.0M, $150-640,000
A330-300 - $11.5 - 95.0M, $140-750,000
A350-900 - $109.0 - 148.0M, $800-1,140,000
A380-800 - $70.0 - 230.0M, $540-1,750,000
B737-700 - $6.5 - 38.0M, $85-245,000
B737-800 - $9.0 - 46.5M, $120-285,000
B737-900ER - $19.0 - 48.0M, $205-360,000
B747-400 – $3.5 – 8.9M, $90-175,000
B767-300ER – $3.3 – 36.0M, $90-290,000
B777-200ER – $12.0 – 54.5M, $200-370,000
B777-300ER – $55.0 – 155.0M, $500-1,350,000
B787-8 - $73.0 - 119.0M, $675-1,000,000
B787-9 - $102.0 - 142.0, $850-1,150000
CRJ700 – $6.3 – 22.5M, $70-190,000
CRJ900 - $7.0 – 24.0M, $90-200,000
Q400 – $7.0 – 21.0M, $60-190,000
EMB175 – $10.0 – 27.0M, $125-230,000
EMB190 – $11.5 – 31.5M, $135-265,000
ATR-72 – $3.9 – 21.0M, $60-175,000

Freighter
A330F – $50.0 - 84.0M, $450-700,000
B744F – $11.8 - 34.0M, $250-450,000
B748F – $102.0 - 165.0M, $750-1,400,000
B763F – $21.5 - 65.0M, $250-520,000
B777F – $94.0 - 146.0M, $700-1,250.000
MD11F - $2.5 - 6.5M, $85,000-$115,000


The information is derived from actual transactions along with market valuations and is current as of January 2019.

Sources: IBA/ISTAT
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Thu May 16, 2019 4:13 pm

Very nice. Thank you

Will review and maybe revert with questions.
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Thu May 16, 2019 4:34 pm

Thank you very much. Very useful tool.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 4:58 pm

Interesting that it doesn't split out the A220 by type. That said there aren't a lot of datapoints (particularly on lease data) for the 100s - I believe AirBaltic and Moxy are the only ones who have put anything on paper with respect to leases thus far, and both are 300s.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 5:04 pm

As always, thanks very much for this valuable and interesting market data. Any info on 737 Classics? Thank you!
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 5:06 pm

Thank u very much...this is one of the annual posts I really look forward to reading...highly appreciated :)
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 8:15 pm

It's worth mentioning that a320 and 737-800 lease rates have reached parity at the moment but are probably going to trend higher for the 320. This holds true for the neo and max models too and the reasons are independent of the crashes and groundings.
 
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Favorite post. Much thanks!!!!
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 9:23 pm

Chaostheory wrote:
It's worth mentioning that a320 and 737-800 lease rates have reached parity at the moment but are probably going to trend higher for the 320. This holds true for the neo and max models too...


Why is that?
 
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MIflyer12 wrote:
Chaostheory wrote:
It's worth mentioning that a320 and 737-800 lease rates have reached parity at the moment but are probably going to trend higher for the 320. This holds true for the neo and max models too...


Why is that?


More leasing companies with available delivery positions in the Boeing skyline than airlines willing to take them. This is an issue that begun before the grounding.
 
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Thu May 16, 2019 10:18 pm

VS11 wrote:
As always, thanks very much for this valuable and interesting market data. Any info on 737 Classics? Thank you!



B737-300 - $1.0 - 2.2M, $40-55,000

Almost scrap value.
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Fri May 17, 2019 3:02 am

Thank you for this excellent thread topic.
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Fri May 17, 2019 4:15 am

Sure puts a hole in the myth of the 777-200ER market being cheap. :shock:

The 763 is the WB bargain being from 1986 (with 727-era systems).
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Fri May 17, 2019 4:49 am

Wow, a 744 from $3.5M - $8.9M. That would be mostly engine value meaning the airframe itself is worthless??
 
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Good stuff. Thanks for posting.
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 6:07 pm

How about the 737-8 and -9 Max?
 
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Fri May 17, 2019 6:26 pm

I find it facinating that A220 values are at or fractionally above A319 values.

I also find it interesting that the NEO premium is almost exactly the current added manufacturing costs (my back of the envelope estimate).

As the A320CEO vs. 738.. yawn. Boeing is cutting costs.
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Fri May 17, 2019 6:31 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
The 763 is the WB bargain being from 1986 (with 727-era systems).

Yeah, like EICAS and High Bypass Turbofans. Definitely 727–era. Why don’t you stop it?



Any data for the 757?
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Fri May 17, 2019 6:49 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Back by request, here is an update on commercial aircraft valuations and market lease rates.

As before, the below list contains estimated current market value (in USD) based on the oldest to newest airframes, along with sample monthly lease rates also based on oldest to newest airframes for many common models.

Pax
A220 - $30.0 - 38.0M, $205-310,000
A319 – $5.0 - 37.0M, $80-280,000
A320 – $2.0 - 44.8M, $60-330,000
A320neo - $42 - 50M, $310-370,000
A321 – $10.4 - 52.0M, $130-385,000
A330-200 – $15.0 - 82.0M, $150-640,000
A330-300 - $11.5 - 95.0M, $140-750,000
A350-900 - $109.0 - 148.0M, $800-1,140,000
A380-800 - $70.0 - 230.0M, $540-1,750,000
B737-700 - $6.5 - 38.0M, $85-245,000
B737-800 - $9.0 - 46.5M, $120-285,000
B737-900ER - $19.0 - 48.0M, $205-360,000
B747-400 – $3.5 – 8.9M, $90-175,000
B767-300ER – $3.3 – 36.0M, $90-290,000
B777-200ER – $12.0 – 54.5M, $200-370,000
B777-300ER – $55.0 – 155.0M, $500-1,350,000
B787-8 - $73.0 - 119.0M, $675-1,000,000
B787-9 - $102.0 - 142.0, $850-1,150000
CRJ700 – $6.3 – 22.5M, $70-190,000
CRJ900 - $7.0 – 24.0M, $90-200,000
Q400 – $7.0 – 21.0M, $60-190,000
EMB175 – $10.0 – 27.0M, $125-230,000
EMB190 – $11.5 – 31.5M, $135-265,000
ATR-72 – $3.9 – 21.0M, $60-175,000

Freighter
A330F – $50.0 - 84.0M, $450-700,000
B744F – $11.8 - 34.0M, $250-450,000
B748F – $102.0 - 165.0M, $750-1,400,000
B763F – $21.5 - 65.0M, $250-520,000
B777F – $94.0 - 146.0M, $700-1,250.000
MD11F - $2.5 - 6.5M, $85,000-$115,000


The information is derived from actual transactions along with market valuations and is current as of January 2019.

Sources: IBA/ISTAT


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Fri May 17, 2019 7:26 pm

Thank you. I look forward to when enough 787-10 transactions exist.

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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Fri May 17, 2019 7:34 pm

I wanted to see if there was any basis the pricing of A320 CEOs and 738 were converging.

viewtopic.php?t=1399391

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopi ... 5&start=50


The answer is yes.
In Spring 2017 a $3 million difference in top price. Now $1.7 million. I believe the change is entirely due to the V2500 PIPs proving their worth.

I speculate that the higher bypass of the NEO will further compress the pricing. Meh... Funny thing, the market works.

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Fri May 17, 2019 8:58 pm

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Sure puts a hole in the myth of the 777-200ER market being cheap. :shock:

The 763 is the WB bargain being from 1986 (with 727-era systems).


Yes the 767 is the widebody bargain. 767-300ERs are a hot commodity, especially those with FADEC engines for freighter conversion. Those with useable life left have been going up in value due to the massive expansion by Amazon buying up 767s.

These two planes are most certainly not featuring the same systems

Modern 767 with a glass cockpit



727 with a 3 person cockpit



High and Low Values don’t always show longevity of an airplane.

83% of 767s built in 1995 are still flying
50% of A330s built in 1995 are still flying
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Fri May 17, 2019 10:18 pm

SEU wrote:
How about the 737-8 and -9 Max?


B737MAX-8 - $52.0M, $310-380,000

Wynnster8 wrote:
Do you have information on the Dash 8 100 and A340-300/600


Nothing on Dash8-100. Prob not worth much due low demand.

A340-300 - $3.0 - 12.0M, $120-240,000
A340-600 - $5.0 - 15.5M, $220-300,000

Lukas757 wrote:
Any data for the 757?


B757-200 - $2.2 - 12.5M, $60-140,000
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Fri May 17, 2019 11:16 pm

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1989worstyear wrote:
Sure puts a hole in the myth of the 777-200ER market being cheap. :shock:

The 763 is the WB bargain being from 1986 (with 727-era systems).


Yes the 767 is the widebody bargain. 767-300ERs are a hot commodity, especially those with FADEC engines for freighter conversion. Those with useable life left have been going up in value due to the massive expansion by Amazon buying up 767s.

These two planes are most certainly not featuring the same systems

Modern 767 with a glass cockpit



727 with a 3 person cockpit



High and Low Values don’t always show longevity of an airplane.

83% of 767s built in 1995 are still flying
50% of A330s built in 1995 are still flying


If they're such a hot commodity, then why is a 5 year old example only 36M? :confused:

Also - I was referring to the variants before the -300ER in terms of the systems.
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Fri May 17, 2019 11:26 pm

What about DC-9 and MD-80?
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sat May 18, 2019 4:37 pm

UA444 wrote:
What about DC-9 and MD-80?


No valuation on DC-9s as there is no market for them.

MD-80s are scrap value themselves.


MD-82 – $0.35 - 0.85M, $15-40,000
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sat May 18, 2019 6:26 pm

I would be curious: Is a 747-800F worth more than a 747-800I? Is there even a market for the 747-800I?
 
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Sat May 18, 2019 8:33 pm

Thanks for starting these threads!

Do you have any info about B717?
 
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Sat May 18, 2019 9:42 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
83% of 767s built in 1995 are still flying
50% of A330s built in 1995 are still flying


could that be a rather simple mechanism:
No better 767 available
but vastly better A333 ?
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Sun May 19, 2019 9:37 am

Thank you for one of the best posts on here each year.
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sun May 19, 2019 2:39 pm

I find these trends facinating.

WIederling wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
83% of 767s built in 1995 are still flying
50% of A330s built in 1995 are still flying


could that be a rather simple mechanism:
No better 767 available
but vastly better A333 ?

Huh? 91% of A330s built are still flying. The P2F program is now in full swing

https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-a330.htm

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Sun May 19, 2019 2:50 pm

lightsaber wrote:
I find these trends facinating.

WIederling wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
83% of 767s built in 1995 are still flying
50% of A330s built in 1995 are still flying


could that be a rather simple mechanism:
No better 767 available
but vastly better A333 ?

Huh? 91% of A330s built are still flying. The P2F program is now in full swing

https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-a330.htm

Lightsaber


I was making a point about how the 767 is still a viable plane and not as outdated as 1989worstyear implied by comparing it to the 727. I find it interesting that more 757s and 767s built in the early to mid 1990s are flying than A320s and A330s based on retirement rates. The 757s and 767s from the 1990s have long useable lives, which can’t easily been seen from the high/low blue book values.
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sun May 19, 2019 2:58 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I find these trends facinating.

WIederling wrote:

could that be a rather simple mechanism:
No better 767 available
but vastly better A333 ?

Huh? 91% of A330s built are still flying. The P2F program is now in full swing

https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-a330.htm

Lightsaber


I was making a point about how the 767 is still a viable plane and not as outdated as 1989worstyear implied by comparing it to the 727

Comparing to the 727 makes zero sense as the 757, related to the 757, replaced the 727 in Boeing's lineup.

There is a reason this thread has no 727 pricing. ;). Comparisons off by a whole generation should be ignored. I won't bother discussing subsystem innovations between the 727 and 767 as the differences are too substantial.

767s will be flying as freighters for a long time, a la MD-11s.

What I care about more is the spread of widebody pricing. The top prices somewhat show demand.

The numbers won't mean anything for 6+ months, but after that I would like to see A339 pricing.

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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sun May 19, 2019 2:59 pm

lightsaber wrote:
I find these trends facinating.

WIederling wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
83% of 767s built in 1995 are still flying
50% of A330s built in 1995 are still flying


could that be a rather simple mechanism:
No better 767 available
but vastly better A333 ?

Huh? 91% of A330s built are still flying. The P2F program is now in full swing

https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-a330.htm

Lightsaber

He was talking about exactly 1995 production samples only. ( initial 212t MTOW version )
I looked it up at airfleets and it is not a totally wrong statement. ( most of the non active are stored and not scrapped though.:-)
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sun May 19, 2019 3:41 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Back by request, here is an update on commercial aircraft valuations and market lease rates.

As before, the below list contains estimated current market value (in USD) based on the oldest to newest airframes, along with sample monthly lease rates also based on oldest to newest airframes for many common models.

Pax
A220 - $30.0 - 38.0M, $205-310,000
A319 – $5.0 - 37.0M, $80-280,000
A320 – $2.0 - 44.8M, $60-330,000
A320neo - $42 - 50M, $310-370,000
A321 – $10.4 - 52.0M, $130-385,000
A330-200 – $15.0 - 82.0M, $150-640,000
A330-300 - $11.5 - 95.0M, $140-750,000
A350-900 - $109.0 - 148.0M, $800-1,140,000
A380-800 - $70.0 - 230.0M, $540-1,750,000
B737-700 - $6.5 - 38.0M, $85-245,000
B737-800 - $9.0 - 46.5M, $120-285,000
B737-900ER - $19.0 - 48.0M, $205-360,000
B747-400 – $3.5 – 8.9M, $90-175,000
B767-300ER – $3.3 – 36.0M, $90-290,000
B777-200ER – $12.0 – 54.5M, $200-370,000
B777-300ER – $55.0 – 155.0M, $500-1,350,000
B787-8 - $73.0 - 119.0M, $675-1,000,000
B787-9 - $102.0 - 142.0, $850-1,150000
CRJ700 – $6.3 – 22.5M, $70-190,000
CRJ900 - $7.0 – 24.0M, $90-200,000
Q400 – $7.0 – 21.0M, $60-190,000
EMB175 – $10.0 – 27.0M, $125-230,000
EMB190 – $11.5 – 31.5M, $135-265,000
ATR-72 – $3.9 – 21.0M, $60-175,000

Freighter
A330F – $50.0 - 84.0M, $450-700,000
B744F – $11.8 - 34.0M, $250-450,000
B748F – $102.0 - 165.0M, $750-1,400,000
B763F – $21.5 - 65.0M, $250-520,000
B777F – $94.0 - 146.0M, $700-1,250.000
MD11F - $2.5 - 6.5M, $85,000-$115,000


The information is derived from actual transactions along with market valuations and is current as of January 2019.

Sources: IBA/ISTAT


THANK YOU so much!
I have actually missed this annual report before now. It is amazing what numbers can reveal! Just the 767-300ER alone is so telling. They are still, after so many years, a very viable and desirable aircraft. It explains why UA inquired about getting brand new PAX 763s. So many passengers love them- back and front. While designed 4 decades ago, she still (with a good livery) looks great for her age. Aside from the pax airlines flying them, some of the most beautiful 763s are the private VIP ones with great private jet liveries, and sparkle like a diamond.

The only missing part to fully satisfy my curiosity are the amounts of available aircraft of each model. LAXintl, is there a way to know how many of each are fairly ready to be sold or leased? Which types are there the “most of” or “least of?”
Either used or new, for sale or lease, it is still amazing to me how much a single mainline aircraft costs...and the enormous task and orchestration of logistics and human capital and STRESS to still clear hearty margins, vigorous competition ...yet, after these costs, there is so much more money spent to run a real airline, right down to the paper napkins!
Fantastic, Thanks again
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sun May 19, 2019 4:18 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Back by request, here is an update on commercial aircraft valuations and market lease rates.

As before, the below list contains estimated current market value (in USD) based on the oldest to newest airframes, along with sample monthly lease rates also based on oldest to newest airframes for many common models.

Pax
A220 - $30.0 - 38.0M, $205-310,000
A319 – $5.0 - 37.0M, $80-280,000
A320 – $2.0 - 44.8M, $60-330,000
A320neo - $42 - 50M, $310-370,000
A321 – $10.4 - 52.0M, $130-385,000
A330-200 – $15.0 - 82.0M, $150-640,000
A330-300 - $11.5 - 95.0M, $140-750,000
A350-900 - $109.0 - 148.0M, $800-1,140,000
A380-800 - $70.0 - 230.0M, $540-1,750,000
B737-700 - $6.5 - 38.0M, $85-245,000
B737-800 - $9.0 - 46.5M, $120-285,000
B737-900ER - $19.0 - 48.0M, $205-360,000
B747-400 – $3.5 – 8.9M, $90-175,000
B767-300ER – $3.3 – 36.0M, $90-290,000
B777-200ER – $12.0 – 54.5M, $200-370,000
B777-300ER – $55.0 – 155.0M, $500-1,350,000
B787-8 - $73.0 - 119.0M, $675-1,000,000
B787-9 - $102.0 - 142.0, $850-1,150000
CRJ700 – $6.3 – 22.5M, $70-190,000
CRJ900 - $7.0 – 24.0M, $90-200,000
Q400 – $7.0 – 21.0M, $60-190,000
EMB175 – $10.0 – 27.0M, $125-230,000
EMB190 – $11.5 – 31.5M, $135-265,000
ATR-72 – $3.9 – 21.0M, $60-175,000

Freighter
A330F – $50.0 - 84.0M, $450-700,000
B744F – $11.8 - 34.0M, $250-450,000
B748F – $102.0 - 165.0M, $750-1,400,000
B763F – $21.5 - 65.0M, $250-520,000
B777F – $94.0 - 146.0M, $700-1,250.000
MD11F - $2.5 - 6.5M, $85,000-$115,000


The information is derived from actual transactions along with market valuations and is current as of January 2019.

Sources: IBA/ISTAT


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Explains why an airline like Western Global is happy with its MD11s. When they're flying, they make $$. When they're sitting, they don't cost much. Of course, reliability is an issue, but that's gonna be airline-centric.
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sun May 19, 2019 9:41 pm

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Do you have any info about B717?


B717 - $5.7 - 8.8M, $80-115,000

Wynnster8 wrote:
Anything on A318 and A321NEO?


A318 – $8.0 - 11.5M, $95-145,000
A321NEO – $58.0M, $340-410,000


I would not put much stock into 717 and A318 valuations due to limited fleet transactions. A318 especially with half of the fleet being parted or parked already.
A321NEO also has limited secondary transactions so the valuation likely not the firmest.
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

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767s will be flying as freighters for a long time, a la MD-11s.

Indeed, a brand new 767 just showed up at my local airport. We can't say that about a MD11 even though its first flight was ~9 years later than 767.

I hope the A330F conversions do well. They are great aircraft. Hopefully the freight industry can adapt to their wingspan sooner or later.

Meanwhile, new KC-46s keep showing up at other airports around the US as well, with a few extra tools as a bonus.
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sun May 19, 2019 11:39 pm

LAXintl wrote:
B717 - $5.7 - 8.8M, $80-115,000

A318 – $8.0 - 11.5M, $95-145,000

I would not put much stock into 717 and A318 valuations due to limited fleet transactions. A318 especially with half of the fleet being parted or parked already.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised at value retention for both aircraft, caveats noted. It will be interesting to see how the two aircraft entering this size category (A220-100 and E2-195) perform in the mid-term.

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767s will be flying as freighters for a long time, a la MD-11s.

Indeed, a brand new 767 just showed up at my local airport. We can't say that about a MD11 even though its first flight was ~9 years later than 767.

I hope the A330F conversions do well. They are great aircraft. Hopefully the freight industry can adapt to their wingspan sooner or later.

Meanwhile, new KC-46s keep showing up at other airports around the US as well, with a few extra tools as a bonus.

True. However the MD-11Fs were ridden rough. The continued 767 production, coupled with KC-46 part demand, ensures a very long potential service life. For the military pays to ensure spares.

I think the A330P2F will do well.

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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

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LAXintl wrote:
Back by request, here is an update on commercial aircraft valuations and market lease rates.

As before, the below list contains estimated current market value (in USD) based on the oldest to newest airframes, along with sample monthly lease rates also based on oldest to newest airframes for many common models.
Sources: IBA/ISTAT



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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Mon May 20, 2019 11:16 am

Michael O'Leary talking about paying under 200k per month for A320s for Laudamotion
about 18minutes in to the Q&A session at https://investor.ryanair.com/results/fy-19-results/

He also says that the Chinese want to convert his 737-800s to freighters.
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Mon May 20, 2019 11:17 am

LAXintl wrote:
Back by request, here is an update on commercial aircraft valuations and market lease rates.

As before, the below list contains estimated current market value (in USD) based on the oldest to newest airframes, along with sample monthly lease rates also based on oldest to newest airframes for many common models.

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A220 - $30.0 - 38.0M, $205-310,000
A319 – $5.0 - 37.0M, $80-280,000
A320 – $2.0 - 44.8M, $60-330,000
A320neo - $42 - 50M, $310-370,000
A321 – $10.4 - 52.0M, $130-385,000
A330-200 – $15.0 - 82.0M, $150-640,000
A330-300 - $11.5 - 95.0M, $140-750,000
A350-900 - $109.0 - 148.0M, $800-1,140,000
A380-800 - $70.0 - 230.0M, $540-1,750,000
B737-700 - $6.5 - 38.0M, $85-245,000
B737-800 - $9.0 - 46.5M, $120-285,000
B737-900ER - $19.0 - 48.0M, $205-360,000
B747-400 – $3.5 – 8.9M, $90-175,000
B767-300ER – $3.3 – 36.0M, $90-290,000
B777-200ER – $12.0 – 54.5M, $200-370,000
B777-300ER – $55.0 – 155.0M, $500-1,350,000
B787-8 - $73.0 - 119.0M, $675-1,000,000
B787-9 - $102.0 - 142.0, $850-1,150000
CRJ700 – $6.3 – 22.5M, $70-190,000
CRJ900 - $7.0 – 24.0M, $90-200,000
Q400 – $7.0 – 21.0M, $60-190,000
EMB175 – $10.0 – 27.0M, $125-230,000
EMB190 – $11.5 – 31.5M, $135-265,000
ATR-72 – $3.9 – 21.0M, $60-175,000

Freighter
A330F – $50.0 - 84.0M, $450-700,000
B744F – $11.8 - 34.0M, $250-450,000
B748F – $102.0 - 165.0M, $750-1,400,000
B763F – $21.5 - 65.0M, $250-520,000
B777F – $94.0 - 146.0M, $700-1,250.000
MD11F - $2.5 - 6.5M, $85,000-$115,000


The information is derived from actual transactions along with market valuations and is current as of January 2019.

Sources: IBA/ISTAT


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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Mon May 20, 2019 2:41 pm

LAXintl, as always thank you very much for the information. Do you have the values/lease rates for the ERJ145, ATR42-500, CRJ200, 737-400, and MD90?

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LAXintl, as always thank you very much for the information. Do you have the values/lease rates for the ERJ145, ATR42-500, CRJ200, 737-400, and MD90?

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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

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Any pricing information of 748F?
 
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Mon May 20, 2019 4:18 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Sure puts a hole in the myth of the 777-200ER market being cheap. :shock:

The 763 is the WB bargain being from 1986 (with 727-era systems).


Yes the 767 is the widebody bargain. 767-300ERs are a hot commodity, especially those with FADEC engines for freighter conversion. Those with useable life left have been going up in value due to the massive expansion by Amazon buying up 767s.

These two planes are most certainly not featuring the same systems

Modern 767 with a glass cockpit



727 with a 3 person cockpit



High and Low Values don’t always show longevity of an airplane.

83% of 767s built in 1995 are still flying
50% of A330s built in 1995 are still flying


Actually, Amazon hasn't purchased a single aircraft. They are being gobbled up by a number of cargo operators, the bulk of which appears to be ATSG and Atlas to support the Amazon Prime Air operation.
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Mon May 20, 2019 5:10 pm

LAXdenizen wrote:
Any pricing information of 748F?


:eyepopping:

OPer already listed it in his original posting.

LAXintl wrote:
B748F – $102.0 - 165.0M, $750-1,400,000
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