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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Mon May 20, 2019 6:02 pm

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A388 wrote:
LAXintl, as always thank you very much for the information. Do you have the values/lease rates for the ERJ145, ATR42-500, CRJ200, 737-400, and MD90?

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There couldn't possibly by lease rates for the MD-90. The sole operator is retiring the type. Effectively the aircraft are only worth scrap. Really only what parts of the V2500 are worth anything.


Thanks lightsaber, I thought there would still be more airlines operating the MD90 but it is indeed only DL which still operates about 37 MD90's and nobody else.

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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Tue May 21, 2019 12:40 am

Wynnster8 wrote:
Anything on Cessna 208?

No, I only follow larger commercial frames.

Lots are for sale however. You might get an idea from the listings
https://www.controller.com/listings/air ... up/caravan

A388 wrote:
Do you have the values/lease rates for the ERJ145, ATR42-500, CRJ200, 737-400, and MD90?


ERJ145 - $1.4-3.2M, $30-60,000
ATR-42-500 - $3.0-7.5M, $47-115,000
CRJ200 - $1.0-2.4M, $25-50,000
B737-400 - $1.3-2.5M, $45-80,000
MD-90 - $3.0M, $45-70,000

Like mentioned by others valuation for MD90 likely a placeholder and reality merely scrap value. CRJ200 largely similar due large parked fleet.
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Tue May 21, 2019 1:40 am

lightsaber wrote:
A388 wrote:
LAXintl, as always thank you very much for the information. Do you have the values/lease rates for the ERJ145, ATR42-500, CRJ200, 737-400, and MD90?

A388

There couldn't possibly by lease rates for the MD-90. The sole operator is retiring the type. Effectively the aircraft are only worth scrap. Really only what parts of the V2500 are worth anything.


Also all of the remaining MD-90s are owned by their remaining operator. The real surprise is that there are MD-11 lease transactions still.
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Wed May 22, 2019 3:02 pm

Interesting to observe how freighter variants can now carry higher valuation than their passenger counterparts.

Gone are the days when cargo operators received the leftover scrap frames, and now instead can operate shiny new expensive frames at premium valuations.
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Wed May 22, 2019 7:39 pm

UPlog wrote:
Gone are the days when cargo operators received the leftover scrap frames, and now instead can operate shiny new expensive frames at premium valuations.


Nobody goes anywhere anymore...we all just sit at home and wait for UPS to deliver our Amazon packages.
 
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Sun May 26, 2019 1:26 am

bugsbegone wrote:
UPlog wrote:
Gone are the days when cargo operators received the leftover scrap frames, and now instead can operate shiny new expensive frames at premium valuations.


Nobody goes anywhere anymore...we all just sit at home and wait for UPS to deliver our Amazon packages.

The reason passenger are worth less than freight is we still see P2F. The 767 and A330 are particularly active in conversions as well as A320 and 737NG. Freight in demand is worth the pax frame plus conversion costs. This is normal as airframes mature.

Higher utilization pax duty is moving on to NEO, MAX, 787, and A350. I want to highlight other frames, but they do not yet have sufficient delivery rates (A220, E2, A330NEO, and we wait for the 779).

The lack of a 777BCF still amazes me. I know the floor beams are an obstacle due to the cost of replacement, but I would have thought someone would figure out a cheaper solution by now.

Most freight will remain on converted used frames. The freight demand and leasing market has just created a business case to convert younger frames.

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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:21 am

Hello LAXintl:

With recent spate of potential additional A380 frames being released by airlines (AF, QR, etc) in coming years, what is your outlook on the market pricing for the model?
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Re: Aircraft Values, And Lease Pricing - Spring 2019

Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:13 pm

I believe one of the determinants in A380 values will be if frames are parked awaiting new potential future owners versus being parted out.
Having a growing number of non-active frames sit around will certainly drive down values, while parting maybe the first dozen free frames will help to some degree prop up values.
Obviously however the number one determinant will be driven by market demand. If no one wants the frames the values of existing assets will certainly suffer.
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