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Blueknows
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Rumor: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 4:51 pm

Pilots are talking about AS in NYC trying to 8 billion dollar B6 acquisition. Think its all BS... What does everyone think?
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 4:56 pm

Probably true, emphasis “trying”. Given how the acquisition of VX turned out I wouldn’t loan them money to try again.
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 4:57 pm

This has been rumor for a while. Nobody at the Pilot level would know anything, save for some top union leaders who would be forced to sign a NDA if this actually were to happen. Just rumor.
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 5:04 pm

ASFlyer wrote:
save for some top union leaders who would be forced to sign a NDA


Does ALPA have a seat on the board?
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 5:10 pm

With B6 in BOS and JFK, they could in theory start wide body operations and have hub in BOS and JFK. In theory merger might work, but both airlines are similar in size.
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 5:36 pm

A good interlining or well done code sharing agreement with do a lot more good - for both of them.
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 5:38 pm

Any merger that replaces our ceo and coo is very welcome.....getting a competent coo would be very welcome
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 5:45 pm

Based on the Virgin sale B6 would be closer to 11 Billion.
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 5:47 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Pilots are talking about AS in NYC trying to 8 billion dollar B6 acquisition. Think its all BS... What does everyone think?


Baseless rumor - what should we think that hasn't been discussed before?
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MAX’d out on MAX threads. If you are starting a thread, and it’s about the MAX - stop. There’s already a thread that covers it.
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 5:56 pm

Wasn’t until I saw the author of this before I realized it’s completely made up
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 6:00 pm

Unless there is a documented source - mods should delete this. Because it is BS.
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 6:03 pm

Unsubstantiated rumor, nothing else. Besides, pilots are arguably the single worst source for accuracy when it comes to M&A rumors.
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 6:19 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Pilots are talking about AS in NYC trying to 8 billion dollar B6 acquisition. Think its all BS... What does everyone think?


If you think it is all BS... why did you bother to post it?
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Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 6:38 pm

Wouldn’t mind seeing the Eskimo flying to London. :duck:
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Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 6:44 pm

Why do those of you perpetuate this rumor without cessation. It's all ad nauseum at this point.
 
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Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 6:46 pm

Blueknows wrote:
Pilots are talking about AS in NYC trying to 8 billion dollar B6 acquisition. Think its all BS... What does everyone think?



Yeah no they aren’t.
Respectfully you have a very bad record with rumors.

Oh wait that’s why management switched to Pepsi, to thwart the ALK takeover.
 
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Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 7:06 pm

And pilots were making rumors about FL getting 757s with ETOPS including a fake "memo" regarding them when I was working for them in 1999.. I would bet my chips on the opposite of any pilot group scuttlebutt!
 
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Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 7:10 pm

wouldn’t this hurt Alaska? The way I see it, Alaska benefits from it’s size. They take over JetBlue they become a new model that would be lacking considerably in the Midwest and be highly dependent a network with unconnected traffic flows. I just don’t see how it would mesh together and not create a true large national carrier with the weakest network.
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 7:11 pm

Mikeer50 wrote:
Based on the Virgin sale B6 would be closer to 11 Billion.


B6' market cap is $5.36 Billion. Why would anybody think a 100% premium is appropriate?
 
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Re: AS trying to get B6

Sat May 18, 2019 7:12 pm

    Blueballs wrote:
    Wasn’t until I saw the author of this before I realized it’s completely made up


    ^^^ this.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 7:18 pm

    From the subforum header.

    Civil Aviation
    Discussions about factual events happening in the airline and general aviation industries.

    The third word is the key.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 7:33 pm

    You need to change your name to "BlueDoesntKnow", because your fantasy VATSIM rumors are starting to get annoying.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 7:35 pm

    Oh god, this again?
     
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    Re: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 8:01 pm

    MIflyer12 wrote:
    Mikeer50 wrote:
    Based on the Virgin sale B6 would be closer to 11 Billion.


    B6' market cap is $5.36 Billion. Why would anybody think a 100% premium is appropriate?


    Not saying it’s “appropriate” but based on the Virgin sale B6 would be pretty close to 10-11Billion.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 9:44 pm

    TIP: FAs and pilots are the most unreliable when it comes to rumors. I honestly don’t know where they get their info. Sometimes it seems completely made up based off of nothing.

    A CSA making $12/hr is likely to know more about this stuff.
     
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    Re: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:03 pm

    Blueballs wrote:
    Any merger that replaces our ceo and coo is very welcome.....getting a competent coo would be very welcome


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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:04 pm

    Blueknows wrote:
    Pilots are talking about AS in NYC trying to 8 billion dollar B6 acquisition. Think its all BS... What does everyone think?


    You're right, it's ALL BS & has been discussed to death. However, I know for a fact that one of the reasons AAG acquired VX was their presence at JFK & that was/is an important destination for them.

    flyboy80 wrote:
    wouldn’t this hurt Alaska? The way I see it, Alaska benefits from it’s size. They take over JetBlue they become a new model that would be lacking considerably in the Midwest and be highly dependent a network with unconnected traffic flows. I just don’t see how it would mesh together and not create a true large national carrier with the weakest network.


    Just like VX, a B6 acquisition would require, dropping underperforming cities & routes, as well as starting new routes to compliment the existing network. IMHO, AS is doing just fine right now, the VX acquisition has been a big pill to swallow, but AAG has had a smooth merger vs other carriers like US/AA or UA/CO, size is relative to this ability to create a improved carrier.

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    Wouldn’t mind seeing the Eskimo flying to London. :duck:


    Boy, talk about lack of brand recognition. If you think JetBlue is an unknown, think about Chester at Heathrow or Gatwick.
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    Re: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:06 pm

    Blueballs wrote:
    Any merger that replaces our ceo and coo is very welcome.....getting a competent coo would be very welcome


    Agreed, all of top management at B6 especially the CEO and COO need to get the boot.
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:26 pm

    I hope this isn’t true on so many levels. We don’t need another brand ruined like Virgin was.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:27 pm

    Just as funny a rumor: I have a friend at DL that told me B6 agreed to a merger in a back room at DL terminal 4. Must be true.

    Can we stop this silly rehash of what 30+ topics over the years on this. GET SOME NEW TOPICS ALREADY.
     
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    Re: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:29 pm

    phxa340 wrote:
    Unless there is a documented source - mods should delete this. Because it is BS.


    Love the play on codes at the end.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:33 pm

    rbavfan wrote:
    Just as funny a rumor: I have a friend at DL that told me B6 agreed to a merger in a back room at DL terminal 4. Must be true.

    Can we stop this silly rehash of what 30+ topics over the years on this. GET SOME NEW TOPICS ALREADY.


    Hey, be happy we seem to have slowed down on the endless topics about when will DL buy AS (never) and why did Boeing shut down the 757 line (because no-one wanted to buy any anymore)?

    Heck even the more recent factually incorrect idiotic topics about how Boeing kills people to save money, and completely self certifies the 777X have slowed down.
     
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    Re: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 pm

    rbavfan wrote:
    phxa340 wrote:
    Unless there is a documented source - mods should delete this. Because it is BS.


    Love the play on codes at the end.


    Took me a minute to get it. The new airline will be either BS or A6.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:38 pm

    .

    B6+AS = BS

    It is proven... mathematically...

    ;)
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 10:59 pm

    BoeingGuy wrote:
    rbavfan wrote:
    Just as funny a rumor: I have a friend at DL that told me B6 agreed to a merger in a back room at DL terminal 4. Must be true.

    Can we stop this silly rehash of what 30+ topics over the years on this. GET SOME NEW TOPICS ALREADY.


    Hey, be happy we seem to have slowed down on the endless topics about when will DL buy AS (never) and why did Boeing shut down the 757 line (because no-one wanted to buy any anymore)?

    Heck even the more recent factually incorrect idiotic topics about how Boeing kills people to save money, and completely self certifies the 777X have slowed down.


    You're forgetting the "what would Pan Am look like today?", "Airbus vs. Boeing", "why aren't airlines buying more 747's/A380's" & more related to this one, "Why doesnt B6 buy F9/NK?"
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 11:07 pm

    I think it could actually work really well IF they keep the brands separate, similar to AF/KLM.

    B6 has a very strong east coast network, as does AS on the west coast. Make a single FF program.
    Their respective customers love them for what they are- having either brand disappear wouldn't work well.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 11:18 pm

    GatorClark wrote:
    BoeingGuy wrote:
    rbavfan wrote:
    Just as funny a rumor: I have a friend at DL that told me B6 agreed to a merger in a back room at DL terminal 4. Must be true.

    Can we stop this silly rehash of what 30+ topics over the years on this. GET SOME NEW TOPICS ALREADY.


    Hey, be happy we seem to have slowed down on the endless topics about when will DL buy AS (never) and why did Boeing shut down the 757 line (because no-one wanted to buy any anymore)?

    Heck even the more recent factually incorrect idiotic topics about how Boeing kills people to save money, and completely self certifies the 777X have slowed down.


    You're forgetting the "what would Pan Am look like today?", "Airbus vs. Boeing", "why aren't airlines buying more 747's/A380's" & more related to this one, "Why doesnt B6 buy F9/NK?"


    That’s right. An OP started a topic awhile back about who makes better airplanes? Airbus or Boeing?

    You know that’s not going to end well.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 11:30 pm

    QueenoftheSkies wrote:
    I hope this isn’t true on so many levels. We don’t need another brand ruined like Virgin was.


    This stuff is annoying because it goes against various customer satisfaction surveys. Seems like those that hate Alaska probably have never flown them. A few have even admitted it. Anyways, couldn’t one blame Virgin themselves for ruining their brand? If they had made more money they would possibly still be around. :roll:
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 11:37 pm

    WeatherPilot wrote:
    Why do those of you perpetuate this rumor without cessation. It's all ad nauseum at this point.



    where are the mods when we need them!!!

    I will now ad the necessary "this is an example of the downfall of a.net"
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 11:39 pm

    alfa164 wrote:
    .

    B6+AS = BS

    It is proven... mathematically...

    ;)


    Is there an airline code that has 6A?

    Maybe it’ll be Moxy :rotfl:
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sat May 18, 2019 11:43 pm

    Blueknows wrote:
    Pilots are talking about AS in NYC trying to 8 billion dollar B6 acquisition. Think its all BS... What does everyone think?


    You like to reference pilots. Who or which pilots are you speaking with. I’m a pilot. At b6. I don’t hear or see what you see. And since you’ve been on this sight, nothing you’ve predicted has been anywhere near accurate.

    Just wondering where your intel is coming from?
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sun May 19, 2019 12:40 am

    CaptCoolHand wrote:
    Blueknows wrote:
    Pilots are talking about AS in NYC trying to 8 billion dollar B6 acquisition. Think its all BS... What does everyone think?


    You like to reference pilots. Who or which pilots are you speaking with. I’m a pilot. At b6. I don’t hear or see what you see. And since you’ve been on this sight, nothing you’ve predicted has been anywhere near accurate.

    Just wondering where your intel is coming from?


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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sun May 19, 2019 1:18 am

    Would have rather seems a B6 VX merger... but that ship has sailed. I think a codeshare is more likely.
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sun May 19, 2019 1:21 am

    QueenoftheSkies wrote:
    I hope this isn’t true on so many levels. We don’t need another brand ruined like Virgin was.


    B6 is already being ruined by those within.
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sun May 19, 2019 1:29 am

    If this gets rid of Pepsi I’m all for it.
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sun May 19, 2019 3:58 am

    GatorClark wrote:

    You're forgetting the "what would Pan Am look like today?", "Airbus vs. Boeing", "why aren't airlines buying more 747's/A380's" & more related to this one, "Why doesnt B6 buy F9/NK?"


    And "What will replace the HA 717s?"
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sun May 19, 2019 5:07 am

    I agree this rumor is not credible. Still, it's a slow news night, why not discuss whether it would make sense, and if not, is there anything Alaska could do to pull off such a merger/buy out?

    flyboy80 wrote:
    wouldn’t this hurt Alaska? The way I see it, Alaska benefits from it’s size. They take over JetBlue they become a new model that would be lacking considerably in the Midwest and be highly dependent a network with unconnected traffic flows. I just don’t see how it would mesh together and not create a true large national carrier with the weakest network.


    My thoughts too -- the combined airline would have a hub at JFK and SEA and a few focus cities down the east and west coasts and that's about it. It would be a much bigger airline but it would not have the range of destinations and connections needed to attract and retain business people.
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sun May 19, 2019 5:14 am

    JAAlbert wrote:
    I agree this rumor is not credible. Still, it's a slow news night, why not discuss whether it would make sense, and if not, is there anything Alaska could do to pull off such a merger/buy out?


    Maybe because it's already been discussed all it needs to be:
    viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1385737
    viewtopic.php?t=1350311

    We don't need to recycle these rumors every few months just because it's a "slow news night".
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sun May 19, 2019 6:50 am

    spinkid wrote:
    WeatherPilot wrote:
    Why do those of you perpetuate this rumor without cessation. It's all ad nauseum at this point.



    where are the mods when we need them!!!

    I will now ad the necessary "this is an example of the downfall of a.net"



    CRYING like babies for a MOD is silly just don't post and don't read the treads.....
     
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    Re: Rumor: AS trying to get B6

    Sun May 19, 2019 6:54 am

    JAAlbert wrote:
    I agree this rumor is not credible. Still, it's a slow news night, why not discuss whether it would make sense, and if not, is there anything Alaska could do to pull off such a merger/buy out?

    flyboy80 wrote:
    wouldn’t this hurt Alaska? The way I see it, Alaska benefits from it’s size. They take over JetBlue they become a new model that would be lacking considerably in the Midwest and be highly dependent a network with unconnected traffic flows. I just don’t see how it would mesh together and not create a true large national carrier with the weakest network.


    My thoughts too -- the combined airline would have a hub at JFK and SEA and a few focus cities down the east and west coasts and that's about it. It would be a much bigger airline but it would not have the range of destinations and connections needed to attract and retain business people.



    Exactly not much going on..

    I think AS and B6 have a tuff road ahead of themselves to get to the next level. Mergers will be probably the way they do it. Raising capital and organically growing just doesn't seem to be the choice of many. DL has been the best most recent airline. Opps Of course WN.
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