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BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 9:01 am

Seems like these flights are going in early October. Maybe freeing up slots for a new longhaul ?
Or just seasonal adjustments ?
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 9:05 am

Source?
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 9:07 am

Has been discussed at length on various forums. No official announcement(yet) but flights cancelled and passengers informed (From Oct 19)
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 9:22 am

by738 wrote:
Has been discussed at length on various forums. No official announcement(yet) but flights cancelled and passengers informed (From Oct 19)

Galileo is showing last flights are actually 3rd October.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 9:25 am

I posted this news on my twitter yesterday, after I DM'd British Airways and they stated both routes would have their last flights on 3 October 2019

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 0315436037

I think it is incredibly sad news - London Heathrow already has limited flights to Eastern Europe, and whilst Kiev have seen Wizz (Luton) and Ryanair (Stansted) launch in recent years, St Petersburg will now only be served by Rossiya's (Aeroflot) daily A319 to Gatwick. I hope this can be moved to Heathrow as LHR should offer more connections to Eastern Europe
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 9:44 am

The decision by BA tells me that there is little demand for connecting flights via LHR for people travelling to/from LED or KBP. It would appear that the bulk of passengers wishing to fly between London and these 2 cities (Kyiv in particular) are O&D traffic looking primarily at price rather comfort when deciding which airline to fly - this is best served by Wizz at Luton or Ryanair at Stansted
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 9:53 am

Kiev is nearly three hours (probably more on the westbound) and fares are routinely under £100. It can never have been profitable, I always assumed they got a cheeky subsidy from the government to keep it running for political reasons, given Ukraine’s position as a kind of buffer state between east and west. Ukraine International do Gatwick twice daily with a decent product and there’s Wizz Air as well so at least we still have nonstop service.
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 10:03 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
The decision by BA tells me that there is little demand for connecting flights via LHR for people travelling to/from LED or KBP. It would appear that the bulk of passengers wishing to fly between London and these 2 cities (Kyiv in particular) are O&D traffic looking primarily at price rather comfort when deciding which airline to fly - this is best served by Wizz at Luton or Ryanair at Stansted


I can’t imagine the Wests sanctions against Russia help either.
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 10:51 am

Pobeda in October 2018 started 4x weekly LED-STN, they were doing sub $100 return less than a week out. In fact on one set of dates, LED was the cheapest destination from STN (FR's main base).
Even at that price, for the vast majority of people it's utterly meaningless, as the Visas take much longer on both ends to arrange. This flight has been axed already, that says a lot.

SU have been sending a lot of 320s to LHR recently, in recent years it's been a consistent mix of 321s and 333s. The 320s popped up occasionally but now they seem to be as regular as the 321s. Might be reading too much into a slight capacity reduction here, but added with this BA news and the Pobeda flop, the UK-Russia market seems very weak.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 11:51 am

The UK - Russia market grew by 1% in 2018.
If you analyse the data, you will see that Aeroflot is doing particularly well on LHR-SVO at the expense of British Airways on both LHR-DME and LHR-LED.

Here are the traffic data for LHR-Russia for all 2018 and March 2019:

HEATHROW - MOSCOW (DOMODEDOVO) = 248.977 pax (2018) versus 261.437 (2017) -5% BA
HEATHROW - MOSCOW (SHEREMETYEVO) 475.473 pax (2018) versus 422.025 (2017) +13% SU
HEATHROW - ST PETERSBURG 81.017 pax (2018) versus 93.026 (2017) -13% BA

and March 2019:

HEATHROW - MOSCOW (DOMODEDOVO) 12.105 (2019) versus 18.643 (2018) -35% BA
HEATHROW - MOSCOW (SHEREMETYEVO) 38.642 (2019) versus 30.792 (2018) +25% SU
HEATHROW - ST PETERSBURG 5.542 pax (2019) versus 7.283 (2018) -24% BA

In March 2019 Aeroflot carried 3x the number of passengers LHR-Moscow compared to BA.

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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 12:05 pm

factsonly wrote:
The UK - Russia market grew by 1% in 2018.
If you analyse the data, you will see that Aeroflot is doing particularly well on LHR-SVO at the expense of British Airways on both LHR-DME and LHR-LED.

Here are the traffic data for LHR-Russia for all 2018 and March 2019:

HEATHROW - MOSCOW (DOMODEDOVO) = 248.977 pax (2018) versus 261.437 (2017) -5% BA
HEATHROW - MOSCOW (SHEREMETYEVO) 475.473 pax (2018) versus 422.025 (2017) +13% SU
HEATHROW - ST PETERSBURG 81.017 pax (2018) versus 93.026 (2017) -13% BA

and March 2019:

HEATHROW - MOSCOW (DOMODEDOVO) 12.105 (2019) versus 18.643 (2018) -35% BA
HEATHROW - MOSCOW (SHEREMETYEVO) 38.642 (2019) versus 30.792 (2018) +25% SU
HEATHROW - ST PETERSBURG 5.542 pax (2019) versus 7.283 (2018) -24% BA

In March 2019 Aeroflot carried 3x the number of passengers LHR-Moscow compared to BA.

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BA also fly to SVO once a day. So the figures might be slightly different as it’s not possible to differentiate between Aeroflot numbers and BA on that route.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 12:15 pm

Very little money to be made in Eastern Europe. SOF might be next.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 12:24 pm

factsonly wrote:
The UK - Russia market grew by 1% in 2018.
If you analyse the data, you will see that Aeroflot is doing particularly well on LHR-SVO at the expense of British Airways on both LHR-DME and LHR-LED.

Here are the traffic data for LHR-Russia for all 2018 and March 2019:

HEATHROW - MOSCOW (DOMODEDOVO) = 248.977 pax (2018) versus 261.437 (2017) -5% BA
HEATHROW - MOSCOW (SHEREMETYEVO) 475.473 pax (2018) versus 422.025 (2017) +13% SU
HEATHROW - ST PETERSBURG 81.017 pax (2018) versus 93.026 (2017) -13% BA

and March 2019:

HEATHROW - MOSCOW (DOMODEDOVO) 12.105 (2019) versus 18.643 (2018) -35% BA
HEATHROW - MOSCOW (SHEREMETYEVO) 38.642 (2019) versus 30.792 (2018) +25% SU
HEATHROW - ST PETERSBURG 5.542 pax (2019) versus 7.283 (2018) -24% BA

In March 2019 Aeroflot carried 3x the number of passengers LHR-Moscow compared to BA.

CAA data



I'd be shocked if point to point demand grew in light of current affairs. The increase at SVO is due in part to a new daily BA service moving there. I'd be very surprised if connections on SU haven't bulked up those figures in place of point to point, that seems to be their focus at the moment.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 1:16 pm

cedarjet wrote:
Kiev is nearly three hours (probably more on the westbound) and fares are routinely under £100. It can never have been profitable, I always assumed they got a cheeky subsidy from the government to keep it running for political reasons, given Ukraine’s position as a kind of buffer state between east and west. Ukraine International do Gatwick twice daily with a decent product and there’s Wizz Air as well so at least we still have nonstop service.


I’ve been travelling to SVQ-KBP for several months in CE. In the snapshot of flights I have travelled, BA have had 6 to 7 rows (full) in CE and the flights on the whole seemed fairly full. I will miss it, but now will have to go with the Luftwaffe, which is disappointing
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 1:52 pm

AstanaMagic wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Kiev is nearly three hours (probably more on the westbound) and fares are routinely under £100. It can never have been profitable, I always assumed they got a cheeky subsidy from the government to keep it running for political reasons, given Ukraine’s position as a kind of buffer state between east and west. Ukraine International do Gatwick twice daily with a decent product and there’s Wizz Air as well so at least we still have nonstop service.


I’ve been travelling to SVQ-KBP for several months in CE. In the snapshot of flights I have travelled, BA have had 6 to 7 rows (full) in CE and the flights on the whole seemed fairly full. I will miss it, but now will have to go with the Luftwaffe, which is disappointing


How exactly are you planning to fly on Luftwaffe aircraft?
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 1:58 pm

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
AstanaMagic wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Kiev is nearly three hours (probably more on the westbound) and fares are routinely under £100. It can never have been profitable, I always assumed they got a cheeky subsidy from the government to keep it running for political reasons, given Ukraine’s position as a kind of buffer state between east and west. Ukraine International do Gatwick twice daily with a decent product and there’s Wizz Air as well so at least we still have nonstop service.


I’ve been travelling to SVQ-KBP for several months in CE. In the snapshot of flights I have travelled, BA have had 6 to 7 rows (full) in CE and the flights on the whole seemed fairly full. I will miss it, but now will have to go with the Luftwaffe, which is disappointing


How exactly are you planning to fly on Luftwaffe aircraft?


I think he was making a joke (or autocorrected) about Lufthansa.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 2:33 pm

FR have lead in fares to Kiev for £20 ... so that’s O&D sorted

Connecting traffic to the America’s have lots of choice on some fantastic airlines

BA can’t compete , might as well quit
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 2:41 pm

What happened to the Pobeda service to STN ?

Anyone know if it’s coming back ?? Fingers crossed
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 5:56 pm

factsonly wrote:
The UK - Russia market grew by 1% in 2018.
If you analyse the data, you will see that Aeroflot is doing particularly well on LHR-SVO at the expense of British Airways on both LHR-DME and LHR-LED.

Here are the traffic data for LHR-Russia for all 2018 and March 2019:

HEATHROW - MOSCOW (DOMODEDOVO) = 248.977 pax (2018) versus 261.437 (2017) -5% BA
HEATHROW - MOSCOW (SHEREMETYEVO) 475.473 pax (2018) versus 422.025 (2017) +13% SU
HEATHROW - ST PETERSBURG 81.017 pax (2018) versus 93.026 (2017) -13% BA

and March 2019:

HEATHROW - MOSCOW (DOMODEDOVO) 12.105 (2019) versus 18.643 (2018) -35% BA
HEATHROW - MOSCOW (SHEREMETYEVO) 38.642 (2019) versus 30.792 (2018) +25% SU
HEATHROW - ST PETERSBURG 5.542 pax (2019) versus 7.283 (2018) -24% BA

In March 2019 Aeroflot carried 3x the number of passengers LHR-Moscow compared to BA.

CAA data


Yes data needs some care.
1 of the 3 daily BA DME rotations is now to sheremetyevo so the 35% drop almost exactly corresponds to this switch

From the heyday of Russia being warmly welcomed into the free world when BA was flying a 747 on one if its daily rotations premium traffic has cooled a fair bit. Service now right sized and stable.

Kiev and St P are disappointing cancellations but the profit is not there now.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 6:42 pm

bhxalex wrote:
Pobeda in October 2018 started 4x weekly LED-STN, they were doing sub $100 return less than a week out. In fact on one set of dates, LED was the cheapest destination from STN (FR's main base).
Even at that price, for the vast majority of people it's utterly meaningless, as the Visas take much longer on both ends to arrange. This flight has been axed already, that says a lot.


I think they have chopped every international route from LED. From those fares from VKO to Germany, Benelux or Italy are quite common. As you say, the problem is that European tourists cannot jump into last minute fares due to visa restrictions.

Galwayman wrote:
FR have lead in fares to Kiev for £20 ... so that’s O&D sorted

Connecting traffic to the America’s have lots of choice on some fantastic airlines

BA can’t compete , might as well quit


I think that is the problem. Traffic to Ukraine is booming but that is because of Ryanair and Wizzair are literally flooding the Ukrainian market with new routes to anywhere. It seems Ukraine is what Poland was 15 years ago. Now everybody is going there for city-breaks and stag parties, and Western companies are starting to invest in the market.

Also the Ukrainian diaspora in the UK is quite small. The largest communities of Ukrainians in Europe are in Poland and Germany, so LOT and Lufthansa can take care of passengers connecting to the Americas or Western Europe.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 7:47 pm

BA is crap and the market knows it , simples
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 8:16 pm

What advantage did BA actually have in KBP? They no longer have a service to differentiate them from the competition. They have a good intercontinental network but there are so many other hubs between Kiev and London where passengers can connect. On top of that, PS seems to be expanding quite aggressively, not to mention LO which is right next door.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 9:10 pm

Galwayman wrote:
BA is crap and the market knows it , simples


British Airways remains the most profitable legacy airline in Europe. It's the market, not the airline that's crap.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Sun May 19, 2019 9:48 pm

Blerg wrote:
What advantage did BA actually have in KBP? They no longer have a service to differentiate them from the competition. They have a good intercontinental network but there are so many other hubs between Kiev and London where passengers can connect. On top of that, PS seems to be expanding quite aggressively, not to mention LO which is right next door.


True. Those chasing lower fares on O&D have been hoovered up by Wizzair and Ryanair. Connections to Western Hemisphere are a bloodbath between Lufthansa, AirFrance-KLM, LOT and others -- and in general, London has a bit of notoriety as a connection hub in this part of the world.
OneWorld, following demise of firstly Malev and then AirBerlin, is not a particularly well-subscribed alliance here, so alliance loyalty is not a major factor on at least one end of the route.
PS can offer C product, decent enough for 3 hour service, so money for business-class bookings is not only BA's to capture.

At the back of the bus, passengers apparently can no longer really tell the difference between BA and its competitors on LON-KBP/IEV route.
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 1:41 am

Were these routes actually loss making or do BA think they have more profitable use of the aircraft & slots?
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 4:46 am

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
BA is crap and the market knows it , simples


British Airways remains the most profitable legacy airline in Europe. It's the market, not the airline that's crap.


KBP growth:

2017 10,554,757 Increase 22.1%
2018 12,603,300 Increase 19.4%

Do you still think it's the market? I think there are enough passengers overall to warrant a single daily flight. After all, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, Swiss... all fly to Kiev and if they can make it there why can't BA? Like I wrote above, BA didn't have much going on for them in order to keep customers. Their service same as those the one on other LCCs but their fares are not.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 5:50 am

Blerg wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
BA is crap and the market knows it , simples


British Airways remains the most profitable legacy airline in Europe. It's the market, not the airline that's crap.


KBP growth:

2017 10,554,757 Increase 22.1%
2018 12,603,300 Increase 19.4%

Do you still think it's the market? I think there are enough passengers overall to warrant a single daily flight. After all, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, Swiss... all fly to Kiev and if they can make it there why can't BA? Like I wrote above, BA didn't have much going on for them in order to keep customers. Their service same as those the one on other LCCs but their fares are not.


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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 7:25 am

LHR-Marrakech and extra LHR-Zagreb services coming in place of LED and KBP.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 7:47 am

With no LCCs, the London-Zagreb route maybe has a decent chance of profitability for BA. If however Vinci decide to slash airport fees at ZAG...
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 9:13 am

Blerg wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
BA is crap and the market knows it , simples


British Airways remains the most profitable legacy airline in Europe. It's the market, not the airline that's crap.


KBP growth:

2017 10,554,757 Increase 22.1%
2018 12,603,300 Increase 19.4%

Do you still think it's the market? I think there are enough passengers overall to warrant a single daily flight. After all, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, Swiss... all fly to Kiev and if they can make it there why can't BA? Like I wrote above, BA didn't have much going on for them in order to keep customers. Their service same as those the one on other LCCs but their fares are not.


Your figures are meaningless. British Airways deploys its assets in order to turn a profit not to satisfy rising demand. Average passenger travelling to KBP or LED simply cannot afford fares that would make the route profitable.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 9:29 am

Blerg wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
BA is crap and the market knows it , simples


British Airways remains the most profitable legacy airline in Europe. It's the market, not the airline that's crap.


KBP growth:

2017 10,554,757 Increase 22.1%
2018 12,603,300 Increase 19.4%

Do you still think it's the market? I think there are enough passengers overall to warrant a single daily flight. After all, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, Swiss... all fly to Kiev and if they can make it there why can't BA? Like I wrote above, BA didn't have much going on for them in order to keep customers. Their service same as those the one on other LCCs but their fares are not.


Indeed.
The other city airport, IEV, is smaller, but grows even faster:
In 2018 -- 2 812 300 pax, Increase 51.9%
In 2019 YTD -- 854 400 pax, Increase 36.5%

I'm not quite sure when IEV hits capacity, as it's a very small airport. There is terminal expansion going on in Terminal A, but this does not resolve the bottleneck of a single short runway, with city surrounding it on all sides.

KBP on the other hand has still some slack -- in late March they reactivated Terminal F, that was in mothballs since 2012 as redundant.

Someone83 wrote:

BA gode gater yield, not volume



If BA chases high yield, it is a bit late for that on this route.
In coach, they seem to be hardly different from your standard low-cost, and again, FF loyalty is hardly a factor, with OneWorld barely present here...
Sample of fares on KBP-LON shows lowest coach fares on BA at double the cost of PS. And FR and W6 are yet lower.
For business class pax, BA with a single daily vs. double daily of PS on the London route, restricts flexibility. Unless you are specifically trying to go to LHR (vs. LGW), or connect via LHR, of course.

Which leaves the questions for OneWorld FF's, who want to reach KBP and earn miles. Looks like Qatar Airways remains the only way.
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 9:30 am

ZuluTime wrote:
LHR-Marrakech and extra LHR-Zagreb services coming in place of LED and KBP.


RAK was already flown last year. Maybe more frequencies?
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 10:17 am

I'm not surprised by this, I flew BA to/from Kiev a bunch of times in Y, and never failed to have really cheap upgrade options - like £50 o/w cheap.

That said, I've not flown BA there for a while - Ryanair and WizzAir are ridiculously cheap (just booked KBP-STN 2 weeks out for £17.50 - wow), whilst UIA are also reasonable and offer a much better schedule than BA.
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 12:02 pm

KBP has it's perks, 1.5 liter vodka with cap opening deserves respect !
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 1:08 pm

Galwayman wrote:
What happened to the Pobeda service to STN ?

Anyone know if it’s coming back ?? Fingers crossed



First news about international service (not only STN) cancelation out of LED came with a visa gaffe about a Mongolian passenger on Pobeda. But latest news sugggest that the turnaround times in LED were too long for a low-cost airline.
But also international service was discontinued out of KGD, so maybe there are more reasons.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 1:09 pm

Not to derail this thread, but does anyone know of a thread where the new BA flight to SVO was discussed? I did a search and couldn’t find it. Thanks.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 1:11 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
I'm not surprised by this, I flew BA to/from Kiev a bunch of times in Y, and never failed to have really cheap upgrade options - like £50 o/w cheap.

That said, I've not flown BA there for a while - Ryanair and WizzAir are ridiculously cheap (just booked KBP-STN 2 weeks out for £17.50 - wow), whilst UIA are also reasonable and offer a much better schedule than BA.


Kiev is consistently the cheapest destination in Europe from the states, even last minute. While LHR is 3500 in Y to leave in 3 days and MAD is 3200, KBP is 850. And this is not uncommon - I usually scan Google flights at least once a day.

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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 1:15 pm

Arion640 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
The decision by BA tells me that there is little demand for connecting flights via LHR for people travelling to/from LED or KBP. It would appear that the bulk of passengers wishing to fly between London and these 2 cities (Kyiv in particular) are O&D traffic looking primarily at price rather comfort when deciding which airline to fly - this is best served by Wizz at Luton or Ryanair at Stansted


I can’t imagine the Wests sanctions against Russia help either.


LED in particular may be hurt by the fact that it's now pretty challenging (and has been for a while) for Americans and Russians to get visas for each other's countries. Considering London's location, that's a lot of the connecting possibilities for this flight.
 
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Re: BA axing LHR - LED & KBP

Mon May 20, 2019 7:22 pm

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:

British Airways remains the most profitable legacy airline in Europe. It's the market, not the airline that's crap.


KBP growth:

2017 10,554,757 Increase 22.1%
2018 12,603,300 Increase 19.4%

Do you still think it's the market? I think there are enough passengers overall to warrant a single daily flight. After all, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines, Swiss... all fly to Kiev and if they can make it there why can't BA? Like I wrote above, BA didn't have much going on for them in order to keep customers. Their service same as those the one on other LCCs but their fares are not.


Your figures are meaningless. British Airways deploys its assets in order to turn a profit not to satisfy rising demand. Average passenger travelling to KBP or LED simply cannot afford fares that would make the route profitable.


Numbers are not meaningless, they are there to show that there is growing demand. I am sorry but LH, KL, LX, AF... are also after profits yet they somehow manage to survive in KBP. Only goes to show BA didn't have the right strategy for Kiev.
Adding more flights to Zagreb makes sense since OU sold some of their LHR slots and ZAG is currently the only European capital without an LCC link to London. I wonder what their operations would look like there if the situation was similar to that in LJU.

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