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OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 12:32 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


Pretty quiet week

7H AIN-ATK JUN 0.9>1.3[0.9] JUL 0.9>1.3[0.9] AUG 0.9>1.4[0.9] SEP 0.9>1.3[0.9]
7H AIN-BRW JUN 1.8>1.3[1.8] JUL 1.7>1.3[1.7] AUG 1.8>1.4[1.8] SEP 1.7>1.3[1.7]
7H ANC-FAI AUG 2>1.7[2]
7H ANI-CHU JUN 0.7>0.4[0.4] JUL 0.7>0.4[0.4] AUG 0.7>0.4[0.4] SEP 0.7>0.4[0.4]
7H ANI-SLQ JUN 0.3>0[0.2] JUL 0.3>0[0.2] AUG 0.3>0[0.2] SEP 0.3>0[0.2]
7H ATK-BRW JUN 1.8>1.3[1.8] JUL 1.7>1.3[1.7] AUG 1.8>1.4[1.8] SEP 1.7>1.3[1.7]
7H BET-TNK JAN 0.6>1.4[0] FEB 0.6>1.4[1.4]
7H BET-WWT JAN 0.8>0[1.4] FEB 0.8>0[0]
7H CHU-CKD JUN 0.7>0.4[0.4] JUL 0.7>0.4[0.4] AUG 0.7>0.4[0.4] SEP 0.7>0.4[0.4]
7H CKD-SLQ JUN 0.3>0[0.2] JUL 0.3>0[0.2] AUG 0.3>0[0.2] SEP 0.3>0[0.2]
7H KKA-SKK JUN 1.4>1.0[1.0] JUL 1.4>1.0[1.0] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.0] SEP 1.4>1.0[1.0] OCT 1.4>1.0[1.0] NOV 1.4>1.0[1.0] DEC 1.4>1.0[1.0] JAN 1.4>1.0[1.4] FEB 1.4>1.0[1.4]
7H KKA-UNK JUN 1.4>1.0[1.0] JUL 1.4>1.0[1.0] AUG 1.4>1.0[1.0] SEP 1.4>1.0[1.0] OCT 1.4>1.0[1.0] NOV 1.4>1.0[1.0] DEC 1.4>1.0[1.0] JAN 1.4>1.0[1.4] FEB 1.4>1.0[1.4]
7H OME-SKK JUN 0>0.3[0.4] JUL 0>0.4[0.3] AUG 0>0.4[0.3] NOV 0>0.3[0.4] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.3[0]
7H OME-WBB JUL 1.7>1.3[1.3] AUG 1.7>1.4[1.3] SEP 1.6>1.3[1.3] OCT 1.7>1.4[1.4] NOV 1.6>1.3[1.4] DEC 1.6>1.3[1.3] JAN 1.7>1.3[1.7] FEB 1.7>1.3[1.7]
7H TNK-WWT JAN 0.8>0[1.4] FEB 0.8>0[0]
7H UNK-WBB JUN 0.5>0.9[0.9] JUL 0.5>0.9[0.9] AUG 0.5>0.9[0.9] SEP 0.5>0.9[0.9] OCT 0.5>0.9[0.9] NOV 0.5>0.9[0.9] DEC 0.5>0.9[0.9] JAN 0.5>0.9[0.5] FEB 0.5>0.9[0.5]

9K ACK-EWB JUN 2>3[3] JUL 3>5[4] AUG 3>4[4]
9K ACK-HYA JUN 6>7[5] JUL 6>10[5] AUG 6>9[6]

9X HNL-JHM JUN 7>0[0] JUL 7>0[0] AUG 7>0[0] SEP 7>0[0] OCT 7>0[0] NOV 7>0[0] DEC 7>0[0] JAN 7>0[0] FEB 7>0[0]
9X HNL-LUP JUN 1.8>0[0] JUL 1.9>0[0] AUG 1.9>0[0] SEP 1.8>0[0] OCT 1.9>0[0] NOV 1.9>0[0] DEC 1.8>0[0] JAN 1.9>0[0] FEB 1.9>0[0]
9X HNL-MKK JUN 11>0[0] JUL 11>0[0] AUG 11>0[0] SEP 11>0[0] OCT 11>0[0] NOV 11>0[0] DEC 11>0[0] JAN 11>0[0] FEB 11>0[0]
9X HNL-OGG JUN 4>0[0] JUL 4>0[0] AUG 4>0[0] SEP 4>0[0] OCT 4>0[0] NOV 4>0[0] DEC 4>0[0] JAN 4>0[0] FEB 4>0[0]
9X HNM-OGG JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]
9X IPL-LAX JUN 3>0[0] JUL 3>0[0] AUG 3>0[0] SEP 3>0[0] OCT 3>0[0] NOV 3>0[0] DEC 3>0[0] JAN 3>0[0] FEB 3>0[0]
9X JHM-KOA JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]
9X KOA-OGG JUN 12>0[0] JUL 12>0[0] AUG 12>0[0] SEP 12>0[0] OCT 12>0[0] NOV 12>0[0] DEC 12>0[0] JAN 12>0[0] FEB 12>0[0]
9X LUP-MKK JUN 1.8>0[0] JUL 1.9>0[0] AUG 1.9>0[0] SEP 1.8>0[0] OCT 1.9>0[0] NOV 1.9>0[0] DEC 1.8>0[0] JAN 1.9>0[0] FEB 1.9>0[0]
9X MKK-OGG JUN 9>0[0] JUL 9>0[0] AUG 9>0[0] SEP 9>0[0] OCT 9>0[0] NOV 9>0[0] DEC 9>0[0] JAN 9>0[0] FEB 9>0[0]
9X MUE-OGG JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]

AA AUA-CLT DEC 1.3>1.6[1.1]
AA AUA-MIA JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3]
AA AUA-PHL DEC 0.8>0.6[0.8]
AA BGI-MIA JAN 3>2[3]
AA BOI-DFW DEC 1.6>2[1.3] JAN 1.0>3[2.0] FEB 1.0>3[2]
Not even daily! Down 90% YOY.
*AA BOS-JFK JUL 1.0>0.6[5] AUG 1.0>0.5[5]
AA CAP-MIA DEC 1.0>0.8[1.0]
AA CLT-GCM JAN 1.5>2[1.4]
*AA CLT-MEX DEC 2>1.0[2.0] JAN 0.8>0.6[0.8]
AA CLT-PLS DEC 1.6>1.1[1.6] JAN 1.3>2[1.4] FEB 1.4>2[1.4]
AA CLT-STT DEC 0.5>0.3[0.4]
AA CLT-STX DEC 0.0>0.2[0.0]
AA CLT-SXM DEC 1.0>0.6[1.0]
AA CMH-DFW JAN 5>4[3] FEB 5>4[4]
AA CUN-JFK NOV 1.0>1.3[1.8]
AA DFW-PSP JAN 2>3[3] FEB 2>3[3]
AA DFW-QRO DEC 3>2[2]
AA DFW-RSW SEP 3>4[2] OCT 3>4[2]
AA DFW-SLP DEC 3>2[2]
AA ELH-MIA JAN 1.1>1.9[1.2] FEB 1.6>2[1.5]
AA HAV-MIA SEP 5>6[4] OCT 5>6[5] NOV 5>6[5] DEC 5>6[5] JAN 5>6[5] FEB 5>6[5]
AA HMO-PHX DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0] JAN 1.0>2[1.0] FEB 1.0>2[1.0]
AA LAX-YYZ SEP 0>0.2[1.2]
AA MBJ-PHL JAN 1.3>2[1.3] FEB 1.5>1.9[1.5]
*AA MEX-PHX NOV 1.3>1.0[1.2] DEC 3>1.0[3] JAN 1.4>1.0[1.3]
AA MIA-NAS JAN 6>7[6] FEB 6>7[6]
AA MIA-OMA DEC 0>0.3[0.4] FEB 0>0.7[0.9]
AA MIA-POS JAN 3>2[3]
AA MIA-STT DEC 1.0>1.2[1.0] JAN 1.0>1.5[1.0] FEB 1.0>1.5[1.0]
*AA MIA-SXM DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0] JAN 1.0>2[1.0] FEB 1.0>2[1.0]
AA MIA-UVF JAN 2>1.2[2] FEB 2>1.6[2]
AA PHL-SJU DEC 1.0>0.7[0.7]
AA PHL-SXM DEC 1.0>0.6[0.4]

AC MCO-YYZ JAN 3>4[3]
AC MIA-YUL NOV 0.5>0.9[0.5] DEC 1.3>0.9[1.3] JAN 1.6>1.0[1.7] FEB 1.9>1.3[1.8]

AI BOM-JFK JUN 0.4>0[0]

AM ATL-GDL JUN 0.5>0[1.0] JUL 1.0>0.6[1.0]

*CZ JFK-WUH JUL 0>0.3[0] AUG 0>0.5[0] SEP 0>0.4[0] OCT 0>0.4[0]

DL ATL-FCO OCT 1.8>1.0[0.9]
DL ATL-ZRH SEP 0.8>0.4[0.7]
DL HDN-MSP JAN 0.7>0.4[0.7] FEB 0.8>0.3[0.8]
DL LGB-SLC NOV 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[4]
DL PDX-SEA JAN 8>7[7] FEB 8>7[7]
DL RDU-SLC NOV 0.9>0.7[0.8]

EI BOS-SNN JAN 0.2>0.9[0.2] FEB 0>0.9[0]
That's odd. Out in Feb? 1 month?
*EI JFK-SNN JAN 0.9>0.2[0.8] FEB 0.9>0[0.9]

F9 BDL-MCO JUL 0.4>0.6[0] AUG 0.4>0.7[0]
F9 CLE-TPA AUG 1.4>1.6[1.0]
F9 CLT-MCO JUL 0.6>0.8[0.5] AUG 0.6>0.9[0.6]
F9 CVG-TPA JUL 0.6>0.8[0.4] AUG 0.6>0.9[0.5]
F9 DEN-ONT JUL 0.7>0.9[1.0]
F9 DEN-TPA AUG 1.0>1.3[0.6]
F9 MCO-MSY JUL 0.4>0.6[0.7] AUG 0.4>0.7[0.7]
F9 MCO-ONT JUL 0.7>0.9[0]
F9 MCO-ORD JUL 0.7>0.9[1.0]
*F9 MCO-PSM JUL 0.4>0.1[0] AUG 0.4>0[0] SEP 0.3>0[0] OCT 0.3>0[0]
F9 MCO-SJU JUL 0.6>0.9[0.5]

IB LAX-MAD JAN 0.4>0.2[0.2] FEB 0.4>0.1[0.1]

LF BNA-TUP SEP 1.3>3[3]

NK BWI-RDU JUL 2>1.5[0] AUG 2>1.6[0]
NK BWI-SJU JUL 0.5>0.7[0] AUG 0.5>0.7[0]
NK MCO-PTY JUL 0.6>0.3[0] AUG 0.5>0.3[0]

TJ ACK-HPN JUN 1.7>2[1.9] DEC 1.8>0.4[0.2] JAN 0.6>0[0]
TJ ACK-TEB DEC 1.6>0.4[0.2] JAN 0.6>0[0]
TJ HPN-MVY AUG 2.0>2[2] DEC 0.9>0.1[0] JAN 0.3>0[0]
TJ MVY-TEB DEC 0.7>0.0[0] JAN 0.3>0[0]

UA ABE-ORD JAN 3>2[1.9]
UA ABQ-IAH DEC 5>4[3] JAN 5>3[4] FEB 5>4[4]
UA ASE-SFO DEC 1.3>1.7[1.3]
UA AUS-DEN JAN 5>4[3]
UA AVL-ORD JAN 4>3[2]
UA BOS-LAX JAN 3>2[1.9] FEB 3>2[2]
UA BOS-ORD JAN 8>7[6]
UA BOS-SFO JAN 7>5[5]
UA BTV-IAD JAN 4>3[3]
UA BTV-ORD JAN 4>3[2]
UA CHS-IAD JAN 4>3[3]
UA CHS-IAH JAN 3>2[2]
UA CLE-LAX JAN 1.9>1.1[1.8]
UA COS-ORD NOV 2>3[3]
UA DEN-FAI AUG 0.5>0.4[0]
UA DEN-FCA JAN 3>2[3]
UA DEN-IAH JAN 11>10[10]
UA DEN-IDA JAN 4>3[3]
UA DEN-LAX JAN 8>7[6]
UA DEN-MCO JAN 4>3[3]
UA DEN-MIA DEC 1.3>1.8[1.2]
UA DEN-MRY DEC 2>1.5[2.0] JAN 2>1.2[2] FEB 2>1.6[2]
UA DEN-ORD JAN 10>9[9]
UA DEN-RAP JAN 6>5[4]
UA DEN-SEA JAN 6>5[4]
UA DEN-SFO JAN 11>9[8] FEB 11>10[8]
UA DEN-TUL JAN 5>4[4]
UA DEN-YVR JAN 3>2[2]
UA DEN-YYC JAN 4>3[3] FEB 4>3[3]
UA DTW-ORD JAN 8>7[6] FEB 8>7[6]
UA EUG-SFO JAN 5>4[4]
UA EWR-EYW DEC 1.9>1.4[2]
UA EWR-LAS JAN 6>5[5]
UA EWR-SFO JAN 14>13[10]
*UA EYW-ORD JAN 1.0>1.8[0.4] FEB 1.0>2[0.7]
*UA FAT-ORD DEC 0.1>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0]
UA GRR-ORD DEC 7>8[7] JAN 7>8[6] FEB 7>8[6]
UA IAD-ITH DEC 2>3[1.6]
UA IAD-LAX JAN 8>6[5] FEB 8>7[5]
UA IAD-PVD JAN 4>3[2]
UA IAD-PWM JAN 4>3[2]
UA IAD-SFO JAN 8>7[7]
UA IAH-LBB JAN 4>3[3]
UA IAH-MKE JAN 3>2[1.9]
UA IAH-MOB JAN 6>5[5]
UA IAH-OMA JAN 4>3[3]
UA IAH-PIT JAN 6>5[5]
UA IAH-RIC JAN 3>2[1.0]
UA IAH-SDF JAN 4>3[3]
UA IAH-SEA JAN 5>4[4]
UA IAH-SFO DEC 8>9[10]
UA IAH-SJC DEC 2>1.5[1.0] JAN 2>1.2[1.1] FEB 2>1.6[1.0]
UA LAS-LAX DEC 6>5[4] JAN 5>4[5]
UA LAX-ORD JAN 10>9[9]
UA MCO-ORD JAN 6>5[6]
UA MIA-ORD JAN 3>2[2]
UA ORD-PBI DEC 1.0>1.5[1.4] JAN 1.0>1.8[1.2] FEB 1.0>2[1.0]
*UA ORD-RNO DEC 0>0.9[0]
UA ORD-RSW JAN 2>4[3] FEB 2>4[4]
UA ORD-SEA JAN 5>3[3]
UA ORD-SJC DEC 1.9>1.5[1.5] JAN 1.9>1.1[1.0]
UA ORD-SRQ DEC 1.0>1.4[2] JAN 1.0>2[2] FEB 1.0>2[2]
UA PDX-SFO JAN 9>7[7]
UA SAN-SFO JAN 9>8[7]
UA SEA-SFO JAN 9>8[8]

WS LIH-YVR NOV 1.0>0.7[1.0]
WS OGG-YYC NOV 0.6>0.3[0.6] DEC 1.0>0.7[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.8[1.0]
*WS PDX-YYC NOV 0>1.0[0] DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0]

XL GYE-JFK SEP 1.2>0.9[1.0]
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 12:41 pm

AA AUA-CLT DEC 1.3>1.6[1.1]
AA AUA-MIA JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3]
AA AUA-PHL DEC 0.8>0.6[0.8]

Why don't AA just make AUA-CLT 2 daily and cancel AUA PHL totally?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 12:54 pm

AA PHL-SJU DEC 1.0>0.7[0.7]

I know it's the slow season but still AA must be feeling the effects of LCC war
 
aaflyer777
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 12:55 pm

*F9 MCO-PSM JUL 0.4>0.1[0] AUG 0.4>0[0] SEP 0.3>0[0] OCT 0.3>0[0]
I think this was supposed to be seasonal but I'm not surprised if they cut it all together, I think they'd do better at MHT

EI BOS-SNN JAN 0.2>0.9[0.2] FEB 0>0.9[0]
That's odd. Out in Feb? 1 month?
*EI JFK-SNN JAN 0.9>0.2[0.8] FEB 0.9>0[0.9]

Historically they've run BOS-SNN in the winter and suspended JFK-SNN for a few months, last year they did the opposite for some reason, now it looks like they'r reverting back.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 1:04 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
*F9 MCO-PSM JUL 0.4>0.1[0] AUG 0.4>0[0] SEP 0.3>0[0] OCT 0.3>0[0]
I think this was supposed to be seasonal but I'm not surprised if they cut it all together, I think they'd do better at MHT

EI BOS-SNN JAN 0.2>0.9[0.2] FEB 0>0.9[0]
That's odd. Out in Feb? 1 month?
*EI JFK-SNN JAN 0.9>0.2[0.8] FEB 0.9>0[0.9]

Historically they've run BOS-SNN in the winter and suspended JFK-SNN for a few months, last year they did the opposite for some reason, now it looks like they'r reverting back.


Am I not right in saying that previously UA ran EWR-SNN year round so EI left the NYC market to them and codeshared but last year UA dropped SNN for winter so maybe EI thought they could make a go of it but remember UA would have had lots of feed on the EWR end and EI have very little on the SNN end
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 1:06 pm

enilria wrote:

EI BOS-SNN JAN 0.2>0.9[0.2] FEB 0>0.9[0]
That's odd. Out in Feb? 1 month?
*EI JFK-SNN JAN 0.9>0.2[0.8] FEB 0.9>0[0.9]

Looks like they swapped the two as noted by someone here. Service does not operate Jan 6th-Feb 28th.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 1:23 pm

enilria wrote:
AA HMO-PHX DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0] JAN 1.0>2[1.0] FEB 1.0>2[1.0]


In DEC AA starts 1x PHX-CUU in addition to 3x DFW, now a 2nd HMO not served from its largest hub. Beside O&D most traffic is probably ex CA?

Great thread
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 1:27 pm

AA LAX-YYZ SEP 0>0.2[1.2]

Is this temporary or seasonal? AA already cut LAX-YYZ last year and I was expecting DL to add LAX-YYZ instead with the WS JV or AA adding PHX-YYZ instead as that route is more viable.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 1:37 pm

Lots of cuts at DEN and IAH from UA. Are these temporary?
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Sun May 19, 2019 1:48 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
*F9 MCO-PSM JUL 0.4>0.1[0] AUG 0.4>0[0] SEP 0.3>0[0] OCT 0.3>0[0]
I think this was supposed to be seasonal but I'm not surprised if they cut it all together, I think they'd do better at MHT

EI BOS-SNN JAN 0.2>0.9[0.2] FEB 0>0.9[0]
That's odd. Out in Feb? 1 month?
*EI JFK-SNN JAN 0.9>0.2[0.8] FEB 0.9>0[0.9]

Historically they've run BOS-SNN in the winter and suspended JFK-SNN for a few months, last year they did the opposite for some reason, now it looks like they'r reverting back.

I'm kinda shocked SNN can't be flown year-round from JFK.
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YYZORD wrote:
AA LAX-YYZ SEP 0>0.2[1.2]

Is this temporary or seasonal? AA already cut LAX-YYZ last year and I was expecting DL to add LAX-YYZ instead with the WS JV or AA adding PHX-YYZ instead as that route is more viable.

I believe they likely had a seasonal cut and extended it to cover Labor Day weekend.
Gulfstream500 wrote:
Lots of cuts at DEN and IAH from UA. Are these temporary?

The JAN stuff is almost definitely temporary, but sometimes they do roll it forward one month at a time. Given we are talking about JAN I would expect it will all be back by MAR.
 
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enilria wrote:
9X HNL-JHM JUN 7>0[0] JUL 7>0[0] AUG 7>0[0] SEP 7>0[0] OCT 7>0[0] NOV 7>0[0] DEC 7>0[0] JAN 7>0[0] FEB 7>0[0]
9X HNL-LUP JUN 1.8>0[0] JUL 1.9>0[0] AUG 1.9>0[0] SEP 1.8>0[0] OCT 1.9>0[0] NOV 1.9>0[0] DEC 1.8>0[0] JAN 1.9>0[0] FEB 1.9>0[0]
9X HNL-MKK JUN 11>0[0] JUL 11>0[0] AUG 11>0[0] SEP 11>0[0] OCT 11>0[0] NOV 11>0[0] DEC 11>0[0] JAN 11>0[0] FEB 11>0[0]
9X HNL-OGG JUN 4>0[0] JUL 4>0[0] AUG 4>0[0] SEP 4>0[0] OCT 4>0[0] NOV 4>0[0] DEC 4>0[0] JAN 4>0[0] FEB 4>0[0]
9X HNM-OGG JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]
9X IPL-LAX JUN 3>0[0] JUL 3>0[0] AUG 3>0[0] SEP 3>0[0] OCT 3>0[0] NOV 3>0[0] DEC 3>0[0] JAN 3>0[0] FEB 3>0[0]
9X JHM-KOA JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]
9X KOA-OGG JUN 12>0[0] JUL 12>0[0] AUG 12>0[0] SEP 12>0[0] OCT 12>0[0] NOV 12>0[0] DEC 12>0[0] JAN 12>0[0] FEB 12>0[0]
9X LUP-MKK JUN 1.8>0[0] JUL 1.9>0[0] AUG 1.9>0[0] SEP 1.8>0[0] OCT 1.9>0[0] NOV 1.9>0[0] DEC 1.8>0[0] JAN 1.9>0[0] FEB 1.9>0[0]
9X MKK-OGG JUN 9>0[0] JUL 9>0[0] AUG 9>0[0] SEP 9>0[0] OCT 9>0[0] NOV 9>0[0] DEC 9>0[0] JAN 9>0[0] FEB 9>0[0]
9X MUE-OGG JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]

What is this about? Did they change IATA codes? Merge?
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 1:59 pm

Once upon a time, AA felt comfortable forcing Bostonians to JFK to hop on board international flights. These days, you can go so many more places Non-stop from BOS that the whole ‘connect at JFK’ thing is laughably so ‘yesterday.’
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Sun May 19, 2019 2:00 pm

AI BOM-JFK JUN 0.4>0[0]
?? This makes no sense, it's a long time route, what gives...
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 2:00 pm

[quote="enilria"]
F9 BDL-MCO JUL 0.4>0.6[0] AUG 0.4>0.7[0]

Glad to see F9 increasing flights to MCO, must be off to a pretty good start. It's crazy how lucrative BDL-MCO is with 4 airlines (5 when DL occasionally flies its seasonal Saturday only flight) competing on the route.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 2:12 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
Once upon a time, AA felt comfortable forcing Bostonians to JFK to hop on board international flights. These days, you can go so many more places Non-stop from BOS that the whole ‘connect at JFK’ thing is laughably so ‘yesterday.’


I've taken the flight a couple of times in the last couple of years, low LF and lots of crew commuting or positioning, can't think this has been a popular cut with the AA employees who used it to get to/from their base.
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Sun May 19, 2019 2:21 pm

Thanks as always Enrilla.

With all the MEX cuts I wonder if AA is feeling the effects off DL/AM. I used to be a pretty frequent Mexico traveler, but stopped for a few years. The only good options before were to connect in DFW/IAH/PHX. Now it’s impossible to connect there because AM/DL have such good schedules out of MEX.
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Sun May 19, 2019 2:40 pm

enilria wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
AA LAX-YYZ SEP 0>0.2[1.2]

Is this temporary or seasonal? AA already cut LAX-YYZ last year and I was expecting DL to add LAX-YYZ instead with the WS JV or AA adding PHX-YYZ instead as that route is more viable.

I believe they likely had a seasonal cut and extended it to cover Labor Day weekend.


I thought this route was completely cut - year round. I don't see it on AA's route map and here's the announcement back in August.
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Sun May 19, 2019 2:56 pm

enilria wrote:
DL LGB-SLC NOV 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[4]


Thank you enilria!

So here is 1 of the 4 new slots... Leaving 3x daily to ?????


https://lbpost.com/news/southwest-delta ... h-airport/
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 3:10 pm

Looks like FAT-ORD goes from A319 to E75L. That's quite a haul in an E75L.

But once again FAT loses mainline UA. Hopefully that changes again soon.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 3:32 pm

enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
9X HNL-JHM JUN 7>0[0] JUL 7>0[0] AUG 7>0[0] SEP 7>0[0] OCT 7>0[0] NOV 7>0[0] DEC 7>0[0] JAN 7>0[0] FEB 7>0[0]
9X HNL-LUP JUN 1.8>0[0] JUL 1.9>0[0] AUG 1.9>0[0] SEP 1.8>0[0] OCT 1.9>0[0] NOV 1.9>0[0] DEC 1.8>0[0] JAN 1.9>0[0] FEB 1.9>0[0]
9X HNL-MKK JUN 11>0[0] JUL 11>0[0] AUG 11>0[0] SEP 11>0[0] OCT 11>0[0] NOV 11>0[0] DEC 11>0[0] JAN 11>0[0] FEB 11>0[0]
9X HNL-OGG JUN 4>0[0] JUL 4>0[0] AUG 4>0[0] SEP 4>0[0] OCT 4>0[0] NOV 4>0[0] DEC 4>0[0] JAN 4>0[0] FEB 4>0[0]
9X HNM-OGG JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]
9X IPL-LAX JUN 3>0[0] JUL 3>0[0] AUG 3>0[0] SEP 3>0[0] OCT 3>0[0] NOV 3>0[0] DEC 3>0[0] JAN 3>0[0] FEB 3>0[0]
9X JHM-KOA JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]
9X KOA-OGG JUN 12>0[0] JUL 12>0[0] AUG 12>0[0] SEP 12>0[0] OCT 12>0[0] NOV 12>0[0] DEC 12>0[0] JAN 12>0[0] FEB 12>0[0]
9X LUP-MKK JUN 1.8>0[0] JUL 1.9>0[0] AUG 1.9>0[0] SEP 1.8>0[0] OCT 1.9>0[0] NOV 1.9>0[0] DEC 1.8>0[0] JAN 1.9>0[0] FEB 1.9>0[0]
9X MKK-OGG JUN 9>0[0] JUL 9>0[0] AUG 9>0[0] SEP 9>0[0] OCT 9>0[0] NOV 9>0[0] DEC 9>0[0] JAN 9>0[0] FEB 9>0[0]
9X MUE-OGG JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]

What is this about? Did they change IATA codes? Merge?


Southern Airways Express bought Mokulele back in February.

Here's an article on it: https://crankyflier.com/2019/02/12/sout ... r-carrier/
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Sun May 19, 2019 3:39 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
Once upon a time, AA felt comfortable forcing Bostonians to JFK to hop on board international flights. These days, you can go so many more places Non-stop from BOS that the whole ‘connect at JFK’ thing is laughably so ‘yesterday.’

Yes and no. BOS has a lot more non-stop destinations, but JFK dwarfs that number. It's really JFK vs AMS/CDG/LHR/FRA to connect. JFK is often the cheapest of the options. That's probably the real reason it's going. In terms of circuity it is a minor deviation.
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Southern Airways Express bought Mokulele back in February.

Then OO apparently bought (part of) Southern Air Express.
boeing773er wrote:
Thanks as always Enrilla.

With all the MEX cuts I wonder if AA is feeling the effects off DL/AM. I used to be a pretty frequent Mexico traveler, but stopped for a few years. The only good options before were to connect in DFW/IAH/PHX. Now it’s impossible to connect there because AM/DL have such good schedules out of MEX.

Thanks.
I'm sure that's true. MEX slots used by U.S. carriers is in free fall.
babastud wrote:
AI BOM-JFK JUN 0.4>0[0]
?? This makes no sense, it's a long time route, what gives...

Check their website and see if it's missing. I thought I read something about longer routings because of Iran or Pakistan or something. Perhaps that is connected. Or it's just a misfile. Or DL's announcement?
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 3:46 pm

carljanderson wrote:
enilria wrote:
DL LGB-SLC NOV 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[4]

So here is 1 of the 4 new slots... Leaving 3x daily to ????? https://lbpost.com/news/southwest-delta ... h-airport/


I would bet on 2x SEA and 1x ATL.
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Sun May 19, 2019 4:14 pm

WN732 wrote:
Looks like FAT-ORD goes from A319 to E75L. That's quite a haul in an E75L.

But once again FAT loses mainline UA. Hopefully that changes again soon.


Given the flight was to end in December, even a 175 is a plus prior to Mainline returning in the spring. UA is adding a 320 to DEN as well (announced some time back), so UA is finally moving forward.

I’ve flown FAT-ORD twice and the 319s are usually 80% or better on loads. Upgrading to 738s once or twice a week now as well.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 4:40 pm

Alsatian wrote:
carljanderson wrote:
enilria wrote:
DL LGB-SLC NOV 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[4]

So here is 1 of the 4 new slots... Leaving 3x daily to ????? https://lbpost.com/news/southwest-delta ... h-airport/


I would bet on 2x SEA and 1x ATL.


SEA-LGB before SEA-OAK/BUR/ONT?
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:04 pm

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Lots of cuts at DEN and IAH from UA. Are these temporary?

Where are the cuts? Almost all are on par with last year and frequency is usually reduced a bit in January after the holidays.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:10 pm

YYZORD wrote:
AA LAX-YYZ SEP 0>0.2[1.2]

Is this temporary or seasonal? AA already cut LAX-YYZ last year and I was expecting DL to add LAX-YYZ instead with the WS JV or AA adding PHX-YYZ instead as that route is more viable.


From what I heard, LAX-YYZ had a good chunk of Oceania connections (MEL/BNE/SYD/AKL), so I do not think PHX is a more viable alternative to LAX from a connecting perspective. However, I do think a seasonal PHX-YYZ flight can work well. Some Canadians are snowbirds and own properties in the southern parts of the USA.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:13 pm

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SEA-LGB before SEA-OAK/BUR/ONT?


LGB traffic seems to do better on the West Coast. And if DL doesn't use the other 3 slots "somewhere" they lose 'em. I can see SEA as the lower risk option should DL decide to utilise the 3 unused slots. A route like LGB-SEA would also need a business friendly schedule vs. ATL. Heck I could see all 3 slots going to SEA.
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:15 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
Alsatian wrote:
carljanderson wrote:
So here is 1 of the 4 new slots... Leaving 3x daily to ????? https://lbpost.com/news/southwest-delta ... h-airport/


I would bet on 2x SEA and 1x ATL.


SEA-LGB before SEA-OAK/BUR/ONT?


SEA-OAK/BUR/ONT are operated by Alaska and Southwest, while DL would be the sole operator on SEA-LGB. But that is just a bet ;)
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:20 pm

People can use YVR or SFO for Oceania traffic, I mentioned PHX due to the canadian snowbirds as u mentioned but it's got connections to many secondary airports in LA like LGB, SNA, ONT, and BUR where people have choice. Try going to LGB from YYZ, no easy connection where there are needs to be two stops with either DL or AA. Also PHX has easy connections to TUS, LAS, SFO, SAN, PSP, SMF, along w west mexico destinations. SLC seems to work well daily year round at YYZ for DL so AA should consider PHX-YYZ too.

golfingboy wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
AA LAX-YYZ SEP 0>0.2[1.2]

Is this temporary or seasonal? AA already cut LAX-YYZ last year and I was expecting DL to add LAX-YYZ instead with the WS JV or AA adding PHX-YYZ instead as that route is more viable.


From what I heard, LAX-YYZ had a good chunk of Oceania connections (MEL/BNE/SYD/AKL), so I do not think PHX is a more viable alternative to LAX from a connecting perspective. However, I do think a seasonal PHX-YYZ flight can work well. Some Canadians are snowbirds and own properties in the southern parts of the USA.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:29 pm

Ishrion wrote:
enilria wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
AA LAX-YYZ SEP 0>0.2[1.2]

Is this temporary or seasonal? AA already cut LAX-YYZ last year and I was expecting DL to add LAX-YYZ instead with the WS JV or AA adding PHX-YYZ instead as that route is more viable.

I believe they likely had a seasonal cut and extended it to cover Labor Day weekend.


I thought this route was completely cut - year round. I don't see it on AA's route map and here's the announcement back in August.


It is cut. This is simply AA flying a few flights nonstop for TIFF.
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:29 pm

Alsatian wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:
Alsatian wrote:

I would bet on 2x SEA and 1x ATL.


SEA-LGB before SEA-OAK/BUR/ONT?


SEA-OAK/BUR/ONT are operated by Alaska and Southwest, while DL would be the sole operator on SEA-LGB. But that is just a bet ;)


Except for JetBlue.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:31 pm

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Try going to LGB from YYZ, no easy connection where there are needs to be two stops with either DL or AA.


That's why people fly YYZ-LAX non-stop and drive 23 miles on the 405 and the 710.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:33 pm

YYZORD wrote:
People can use YVR or SFO for Oceania traffic, I mentioned PHX due to the canadian snowbirds as u mentioned but it's got connections to many secondary airports in LA like LGB, SNA, ONT, and BUR where people have choice. Try going to LGB from YYZ, no easy connection where there are needs to be two stops with either DL or AA. Also PHX has easy connections to TUS, LAS, SFO, SAN, PSP, SMF, along w west mexico destinations. SLC seems to work well daily year round at YYZ for DL so AA should consider PHX-YYZ too.


Yes YVR/SFO is an option, but remember many Australian customers are loyal to QF and would very much prefer to stick to flying OneWorld over flying AC/UA. I am sure most of them are using the SYD-DFW flight to get to YYZ.
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:36 pm

whatusaid wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Looks like FAT-ORD goes from A319 to E75L. That's quite a haul in an E75L.

But once again FAT loses mainline UA. Hopefully that changes again soon.


Given the flight was to end in December, even a 175 is a plus prior to Mainline returning in the spring. UA is adding a 320 to DEN as well (announced some time back), so UA is finally moving forward.

I’ve flown FAT-ORD twice and the 319s are usually 80% or better on loads. Upgrading to 738s once or twice a week now as well.


FAT-ORD started in 2018 on an E75 as a seasonal route only operated June to August 2018.

Now continuing it now year-round during the slowest months (even if it is temporarily back to an E75) is a big gain.
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Sun May 19, 2019 5:47 pm

flyoregon wrote:
Alsatian wrote:
ucdtim17 wrote:

SEA-LGB before SEA-OAK/BUR/ONT?


SEA-OAK/BUR/ONT are operated by Alaska and Southwest, while DL would be the sole operator on SEA-LGB. But that is just a bet ;)


Except for JetBlue.


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I wonder if AA’s MIA-Caribbean cuts (AUA, BGI, POS, UVF) are Max related, poor performance or just STT and SXM being ramped back up? Maybe a combination of all three?
 
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Sun May 19, 2019 6:22 pm

YYZORD wrote:
AA LAX-YYZ SEP 0>0.2[1.2]

Is this temporary or seasonal? AA already cut LAX-YYZ last year and I was expecting DL to add LAX-YYZ instead with the WS JV or AA adding PHX-YYZ instead as that route is more viable.


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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 8:47 pm

Alsatian wrote:
carljanderson wrote:
enilria wrote:
DL LGB-SLC NOV 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[4]

So here is 1 of the 4 new slots... Leaving 3x daily to ????? https://lbpost.com/news/southwest-delta ... h-airport/


I would bet on 2x SEA and 1x ATL.


I was going to bet 3x SEA but MAYBE 2x SEA and 1xMSP (next closest hub) but you're probably right that it would be ATL instead.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 10:14 pm

bkflyguy wrote:
Alsatian wrote:
carljanderson wrote:
So here is 1 of the 4 new slots... Leaving 3x daily to ????? https://lbpost.com/news/southwest-delta ... h-airport/


I would bet on 2x SEA and 1x ATL.


I was going to bet 3x SEA but MAYBE 2x SEA and 1xMSP (next closest hub) but you're probably right that it would be ATL instead.


If any hub get's connected to LGB it will be SLC why would Delta over fly SLC to get to ATL from LGB
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 10:49 pm

chonetsao wrote:
AA AUA-CLT DEC 1.3>1.6[1.1]
AA AUA-MIA JAN 3>2[3] FEB 3>2[3]
AA AUA-PHL DEC 0.8>0.6[0.8]

Why don't AA just make AUA-CLT 2 daily and cancel AUA PHL totally?


Isn’t AUA-PHL a winter seasonal route? To me this looks like nothing more than the route starting up a few days later than 2018, especially given it’s for December only.

Why fly from CLT only, given the further north you go, the more likely you are to find snowbirds...not to mention the fact that quite a few destinations AA serves from PHL, they don’t serve CLT.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 10:52 pm

Thanks enilria!

Brickell305 wrote:
I wonder if AA’s MIA-Caribbean cuts (AUA, BGI, POS, UVF) are Max related, poor performance or just STT and SXM being ramped back up? Maybe a combination of all three?


B6 cited weakness in FLL-Caribbean during last quarter’s conference call for Q1, so it may be that AA is seeing something similar down the road at MIA.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 10:54 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
enilria wrote:
enilria wrote:
9X HNL-JHM JUN 7>0[0] JUL 7>0[0] AUG 7>0[0] SEP 7>0[0] OCT 7>0[0] NOV 7>0[0] DEC 7>0[0] JAN 7>0[0] FEB 7>0[0]
9X HNL-LUP JUN 1.8>0[0] JUL 1.9>0[0] AUG 1.9>0[0] SEP 1.8>0[0] OCT 1.9>0[0] NOV 1.9>0[0] DEC 1.8>0[0] JAN 1.9>0[0] FEB 1.9>0[0]
9X HNL-MKK JUN 11>0[0] JUL 11>0[0] AUG 11>0[0] SEP 11>0[0] OCT 11>0[0] NOV 11>0[0] DEC 11>0[0] JAN 11>0[0] FEB 11>0[0]
9X HNL-OGG JUN 4>0[0] JUL 4>0[0] AUG 4>0[0] SEP 4>0[0] OCT 4>0[0] NOV 4>0[0] DEC 4>0[0] JAN 4>0[0] FEB 4>0[0]
9X HNM-OGG JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]
9X IPL-LAX JUN 3>0[0] JUL 3>0[0] AUG 3>0[0] SEP 3>0[0] OCT 3>0[0] NOV 3>0[0] DEC 3>0[0] JAN 3>0[0] FEB 3>0[0]
9X JHM-KOA JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]
9X KOA-OGG JUN 12>0[0] JUL 12>0[0] AUG 12>0[0] SEP 12>0[0] OCT 12>0[0] NOV 12>0[0] DEC 12>0[0] JAN 12>0[0] FEB 12>0[0]
9X LUP-MKK JUN 1.8>0[0] JUL 1.9>0[0] AUG 1.9>0[0] SEP 1.8>0[0] OCT 1.9>0[0] NOV 1.9>0[0] DEC 1.8>0[0] JAN 1.9>0[0] FEB 1.9>0[0]
9X MKK-OGG JUN 9>0[0] JUL 9>0[0] AUG 9>0[0] SEP 9>0[0] OCT 9>0[0] NOV 9>0[0] DEC 9>0[0] JAN 9>0[0] FEB 9>0[0]
9X MUE-OGG JUN 2>0[0] JUL 2>0[0] AUG 2>0[0] SEP 2>0[0] OCT 2>0[0] NOV 2>0[0] DEC 2>0[0] JAN 2>0[0] FEB 2>0[0]

What is this about? Did they change IATA codes? Merge?


Southern Airways Express bought Mokulele back in February.

Here's an article on it: https://crankyflier.com/2019/02/12/sout ... r-carrier/


Correct & 9X is Southern Airways Express, before that Mokulele operated under the code MW, but that disappeared when 9X took over. I think the question is, are they going back to using the MW code or has Southern Airways Express done with Hawaii already?
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Sun May 19, 2019 11:38 pm

On the entire topic of DL @ LGB
here is the performance of SLC to LA area airports from Q4.

CityPair Carrier Board AvgFare NSFare PerFlight LF Yield
LGBSLC B6 67491 126.06 126.06 150.0 84.10% 106.01
LGBSLC CP 15641 143.14 143.14 75.8 92.90% 132.98
LGBSLC OO 36294 150.30 150.16 76.0 92.94% 139.56
LAXSLC CP 9769 178.22 174.32 76.0 70.24% 122.44
LAXSLC DL 188955 165.05 163.75 164.6 86.20% 141.16
LAXSLC OO 61149 149.21 147.69 72.7 77.00% 113.71
LAXSLC WN 44249 121.64 118.18 145.8 75.87% 89.66
BURSLC CP 21301 178.24 178.24 75.9 88.24% 157.28
BURSLC OO 26355 169.19 169.12 75.8 85.65% 144.85
BURSLC WN 17361 136.74 132.61 143.4 70.00% 92.82
SNASLC DL 83643 216.75 216.72 110.4 89.98% 195.00

If you watch carefully, they have the lowest yield out of LGB despite operating 76 seaters. LAX with mainline of over 150 seats get higher yield than that. Only BUR is close to LGB and that's due to strong WN competition. And I'm willing to bet that yield on LGB-SLC is at best break even.

Which begs the question what stations could DL work out from LGB? They can try SEA, but it will be a disaster. If AS couldn't make LGB-SEA work, what would make people think DL at LGB-SEA would turn out well? LGB is the lowest yielding airport in LA basin and DL hasn't even tried SEA from BUR/ONT. I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 remaining slots go to ATL. I guess MSP could happen too.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Mon May 20, 2019 12:10 am

EK77WNH wrote:
Once upon a time, AA felt comfortable forcing Bostonians to JFK to hop on board international flights. These days, you can go so many more places Non-stop from BOS that the whole ‘connect at JFK’ thing is laughably so ‘yesterday.’


yea but I also Use to Fly BOS to SNN on AA. Well LAX>BOS>SNN. That was a long time ago. I know they had a better presence way way back in BOS.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Mon May 20, 2019 12:30 am

EK77WNH wrote:
Once upon a time, AA felt comfortable forcing Bostonians to JFK to hop on board international flights. These days, you can go so many more places Non-stop from BOS that the whole ‘connect at JFK’ thing is laughably so ‘yesterday.’

Although I agree for the most part, there are certainly quite a lot of people that use JFK to connect to another point on another OW airline, to a variety of places in Asia, S. America, and Europe that aren't served from BOS. Personally, I was booked to fly AA BOS-JFK and the AY JFK-HEL this summer, but due to the runway construction, I had to rebook through ORD.
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Mon May 20, 2019 8:01 pm

WingsOfLove wrote:
AA HMO-PHX DEC 1.0>1.5[1.0] JAN 1.0>2[1.0] FEB 1.0>2[1.0]

In DEC AA starts 1x PHX-CUU in addition to 3x DFW, now a 2nd HMO not served from its largest hub. Beside O&D most traffic is probably ex CA?


Kudos to the business and government reps from both AZ and Sonora who have been focused for the past few decades on strengthening bilateral trade. My guess is most of the traffic is O&D, with primarily VFR traffic from all over, but particularly the southwest & California.

golfingboy wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
AA LAX-YYZ SEP 0>0.2[1.2]

Is this temporary or seasonal? AA already cut LAX-YYZ last year and I was expecting DL to add LAX-YYZ instead with the WS JV or AA adding PHX-YYZ instead as that route is more viable.


From what I heard, LAX-YYZ had a good chunk of Oceania connections (MEL/BNE/SYD/AKL), so I do not think PHX is a more viable alternative to LAX from a connecting perspective. However, I do think a seasonal PHX-YYZ flight can work well. Some Canadians are snowbirds and own properties in the southern parts of the USA.


There's certainly a Canada-Phoenix market, but AA seems to have made a conscious decision not to compete for it, at least at current exchange rates. They're still flying to Vancouver, but they've pulled out of Calgary and Edmonton (both of which they served successfully for years) and are leaving Toronto, Montreal, Regina, Winnipeg, Saskatoon, and Kelowna to their Canadian competitors. With the increased availability of nonstops from Canada to warm weather destinations, the AC/UA and WestJet/Delta joint ventures, and the lower costs for Canadian carriers due to the exchange rate, I wouldn't expect AA to add any additional Canadian service in the foreseeable future.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Mon May 20, 2019 9:25 pm

A couple of points on BOS-JFK. One is until the merger, BOS-JFK was AA's way of competing on the BOS-NYC market. Now that AA has their hands on the shuttle, they have the hourly LGA service on top of JFK, so BOS-NYC O and D really isn't suffering all that much. And with the reduced role of JFK as a European gateway, not as need for BOS connections as there historically was.

Secondly, as has been pointed out, JFK has a runway closed all summer, and AA was given a waiver to cut flights during the construction (Which also eases problems caused by the MAX). For the reasons I have already mentioned, BOS actually is a no-brainer here. But it only appears temporary as AA plans to ramp JFK-BOS again after the project is finished.

And lastly Enilra, you are always one to criticize airlines for operating flights like JFK-BOS as a way to squat on slots. AA is trimming one of those routes and you criticize them for doing so. Just curious what the double standard is about?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 5/19/2019:AA Shrinks MEX;CZ JFK-WUH;F9 Suspends MCO-PSM

Mon May 20, 2019 11:57 pm

Thanks Enilria!

apodino wrote:
And lastly Enilra, you are always one to criticize airlines for operating flights like JFK-BOS as a way to squat on slots. AA is trimming one of those routes and you criticize them for doing so. Just curious what the double standard is about?

Operating short-haul flights doesn't automatically equate to slot squatting. As an example of the latter, US at one point operated 21 flights a day on PHL-LGA. That's quite different from the few times a day AA is/was operating JFK-BOS.

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