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Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 10:27 am

Here's something yet to appear online and one for collectors..actual footage of two of the three rare Eastern Airlines DC-10-30s.
As the title says...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkPDo9pe3_4&t=6s


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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 10:31 am

Wonder why they didn’t buy L-1011-500s for long haul, masses of commonality with their enormous Tristar fleet, and fewer seats than a DC-10. I think they were pretty badly run, ended in tears only five years later.
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 11:21 am

Thanks for sharing, Eastern was my favorite Arline growing. They originally acquired those Dc-10s for MIA-LGW which they flew, and MIA-MAD, which they announced and won approval for but did not start.

The MIA-LGW route was transferred to sister Texas air Corp carrier CO along with a DC-10. Eastern used the remaining DC-10s to operate MIA-EZE-SCL which switched to MIA-GIG-EZE.
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 11:42 am

cedarjet wrote:
Wonder why they didn’t buy L-1011-500s for long haul, masses of commonality with their enormous Tristar fleet, and fewer seats than a DC-10. I think they were pretty badly run, ended in tears only five years later.


They wanted to use the L-1011-500, but could not find any in time to meet the deadline.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 4:03 pm

STT757 wrote:
Thanks for sharing, Eastern was my favorite Arline growing. They originally acquired those Dc-10s for MIA-LGW which they flew, and MIA-MAD, which they announced and won approval for but did not start.

The MIA-LGW route was transferred to sister Texas air Corp carrier CO along with a DC-10. Eastern used the remaining DC-10s to operate MIA-EZE-SCL which switched to MIA-GIG-EZE.


Absolutely, this is one of those gems that has to be out there for all to see!

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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 4:14 pm

Cody wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
They wanted to use the L-1011-500, but could not find any in time to meet the deadline.


It would have been difficult to find any out of the 50 built and with the production terminated.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 4:30 pm

Ex-Alitalia planes, I heard they were great shape when EA picked them up. Long battle with ALPA on pay rates leading to many months of being flown by management pilots. The cycle for them was MIA-LGW-MIA-EZE-SCL-EZE-MIA.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 6:35 pm

N390EA was rare, only stuck around about 6 months, sold to CO after MIA-MAD plans dropped.
N391EA and N392EA were "sold" to CO in 1990.

The vid of N391EA at the begining is from 90 or maybe late 89, after 391 got some updates to it's colors (blue nose).

One thing I've never seen before, B206? on the NG doors? Eastern didn't use the NG doors for ship numbers, and the ship number is 391. It definitely did not have them on earlier pics, I have one from late 88 that has the NG doors clear of markings and none of the ones on any of the photo sites have that either. Doesn't come from AZ or CO either?
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 7:05 pm

STT757 wrote:
The MIA-LGW route was transferred to sister Texas air Corp carrier CO along with a DC-10. Eastern used the remaining DC-10s to operate MIA-EZE-SCL which switched to MIA-GIG-EZE.


Apparently they also operated on LAX-MIA-GIG route.




northstardc4m wrote:
One thing I've never seen before, B206? on the NG doors? Eastern didn't use the NG doors for ship numbers, and the ship number is 391. It definitely did not have them on earlier pics, I have one from late 88 that has the NG doors clear of markings and none of the ones on any of the photo sites have that either. Doesn't come from AZ or CO either?


Never noticed that either. Both pictures in my reply are of N391EA and both are from 1986 and you can clearly see the markings on the NG. From what I've seen, the two others have had such markings before 1988isch.

 
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 7:20 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
The MIA-LGW route was transferred to sister Texas air Corp carrier CO along with a DC-10. Eastern used the remaining DC-10s to operate MIA-EZE-SCL which switched to MIA-GIG-EZE.


Apparently they also operated on LAX-MIA-GIG route.




northstardc4m wrote:
One thing I've never seen before, B206? on the NG doors? Eastern didn't use the NG doors for ship numbers, and the ship number is 391. It definitely did not have them on earlier pics, I have one from late 88 that has the NG doors clear of markings and none of the ones on any of the photo sites have that either. Doesn't come from AZ or CO either?


Never noticed that either. Both pictures in my reply are of N391EA and both are from 1986 and you can clearly see the markings on the NG. From what I've seen, the two others have had such markings before 1988isch.



Yes indeed I missed that, it seems to be on the port side only (left/captains side) for the full history, at some point between 86 and 88 it was removed from the starboard side and not show up in any later pics of the other side:

1986:


1988:


1990:


And i still can't find any reference as to what it means? Both AZ and CO have fleet/ship number on the NG doors, doors were painted with AZ as well, do it didn't come from previous operator... it's very strange.

And now that I look...

N392EA has what seems to be "C267" on it's NG

And N390EA had B20x as well, B202 maybe? No good pics i can find...

Makes 0 sense for EA that I can find, it's not referenced anywhere else I have documents of...
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 8:22 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
And i still can't find any reference as to what it means? Both AZ and CO have fleet/ship number on the NG doors, doors were painted with AZ as well, do it didn't come from previous operator... it's very strange.


Indeed. When N392EA was at CO, it had 068 on the NG. Later it became N41068. At AZ, it was I-DYNC, with NC on the door.

northstardc4m wrote:
And now that I look...

N392EA has what seems to be "C267" on it's NG[

And N390EA had B20x as well, B202 maybe? No good pics i can find...

Makes 0 sense for EA that I can find, it's not referenced anywhere else I have documents of...


Yes I have noticed that too. At one point I was wondering if I wasn't seeing A202 or A205 on N390EA. N392EA was something like C207 or C267. I can see what was the reason for such markings when 390, 391 & 392 were also in plain view on the nose.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 9:30 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
northstardc4m wrote:
And i still can't find any reference as to what it means? Both AZ and CO have fleet/ship number on the NG doors, doors were painted with AZ as well, do it didn't come from previous operator... it's very strange.


Indeed. When N392EA was at CO, it had 068 on the NG. Later it became N41068. At AZ, it was I-DYNC, with NC on the door.

northstardc4m wrote:
And now that I look...

N392EA has what seems to be "C267" on it's NG[

And N390EA had B20x as well, B202 maybe? No good pics i can find...

Makes 0 sense for EA that I can find, it's not referenced anywhere else I have documents of...


Yes I have noticed that too. At one point I was wondering if I wasn't seeing A202 or A205 on N390EA. N392EA was something like C207 or C267. I can see what was the reason for such markings when 390, 391 & 392 were also in plain view on the nose.


That is puzzling, perhaps it's one of those 'temporary registrations that a bank or leassor uses in transition between carriers' thing.

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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 10:32 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
The MIA-LGW route was transferred to sister Texas air Corp carrier CO along with a DC-10. Eastern used the remaining DC-10s to operate MIA-EZE-SCL which switched to MIA-GIG-EZE.


Apparently they also operated on LAX-MIA-GIG route.



LAX was a daily tag on to the deep South America services, be them SCL-EZE-MIA- LAX or EZE-GIG-MIA-LAX. GIG was served only from 1989 onwards.
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 10:37 pm

Sad footnote: N391EA was operating as N13067 for CO departing CDG immediately preceding the takeoff roll of AF4590, F-BTSC.
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Mon May 20, 2019 11:59 pm

dcajet wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
The MIA-LGW route was transferred to sister Texas air Corp carrier CO along with a DC-10. Eastern used the remaining DC-10s to operate MIA-EZE-SCL which switched to MIA-GIG-EZE.


Apparently they also operated on LAX-MIA-GIG route.



LAX was a daily tag on to the deep South America services, be them SCL-EZE-MIA- LAX or EZE-GIG-MIA-LAX. GIG was served only from 1989 onwards.


I know LAX had the EA DC-10s rotated through from MIA, what about Kennedy airport? I think I remember seeing in the Eastern timetables the flight numbers showing thru service from Kennedy to Buenos Aires one or two days a week. But I've never seen a photo of a EA DC-10 at Kennedy.
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Tue May 21, 2019 12:33 am

The JFK-MIA segments were operated as change of gauge tags, L10 or AB3 usually... 757 might of later on as well.



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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Tue May 21, 2019 3:23 am

STT757 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:

Apparently they also operated on LAX-MIA-GIG route.



LAX was a daily tag on to the deep South America services, be them SCL-EZE-MIA- LAX or EZE-GIG-MIA-LAX. GIG was served only from 1989 onwards.


I know LAX had the EA DC-10s rotated through from MIA, what about Kennedy airport? I think I remember seeing in the Eastern timetables the flight numbers showing thru service from Kennedy to Buenos Aires one or two days a week. But I've never seen a photo of a EA DC-10 at Kennedy.


Don't recall the DC-10s serving JFK. Most likely there was a gauge change on the JFK-MIA sector. There were only 2 DC-10s in the Eastern fleet and they were kept busy with the LAX-MIA-EZE-SCL services, although these were not always daily, depending on the season.
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Re: Airliners Past: Eastern Airlines DC-10-30 video

Wed May 22, 2019 2:49 am

dcajet wrote:
STT757 wrote:
dcajet wrote:

LAX was a daily tag on to the deep South America services, be them SCL-EZE-MIA- LAX or EZE-GIG-MIA-LAX. GIG was served only from 1989 onwards.


I know LAX had the EA DC-10s rotated through from MIA, what about Kennedy airport? I think I remember seeing in the Eastern timetables the flight numbers showing thru service from Kennedy to Buenos Aires one or two days a week. But I've never seen a photo of a EA DC-10 at Kennedy.


Don't recall the DC-10s serving JFK. Most likely there was a gauge change on the JFK-MIA sector. There were only 2 DC-10s in the Eastern fleet and they were kept busy with the LAX-MIA-EZE-SCL services, although these were not always daily, depending on the season.


If they did make it to JFK, photographer Art Brett would have nailed it...so no JFK.

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