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Stitch wrote:As noted, they have 45 A350-900s on order which will likely handle the bulk of the 777-200ER replacement. This will leave 10 777-200ER and 19 777-200 (per Wikipedia) which will probably be replaced with additional 787-10 purchases (they have 8 in the fleet now with 6 more on order). United also has four additional 777-300ER on order and those could play a role, as well.
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Stitch wrote:As noted, they have 45 A350-900s on order which will likely handle the bulk of the 777-200ER replacement. This will leave 10 777-200ER and 19 777-200 (per Wikipedia) which will probably be replaced with additional 787-10 purchases (they have 8 in the fleet now with 6 more on order). United also has four additional 777-300ER on order and those could play a role, as well.
Sooner787 wrote:Stitch wrote:As noted, they have 45 A350-900s on order which will likely handle the bulk of the 777-200ER replacement. This will leave 10 777-200ER and 19 777-200 (per Wikipedia) which will probably be replaced with additional 787-10 purchases (they have 8 in the fleet now with 6 more on order). United also has four additional 777-300ER on order and those could play a role, as well.
When is UA supposed to receive their next 77W?
That might very well be the first 77W we see in the new livery
United1 wrote:Sooner787 wrote:Stitch wrote:As noted, they have 45 A350-900s on order which will likely handle the bulk of the 777-200ER replacement. This will leave 10 777-200ER and 19 777-200 (per Wikipedia) which will probably be replaced with additional 787-10 purchases (they have 8 in the fleet now with 6 more on order). United also has four additional 777-300ER on order and those could play a role, as well.
When is UA supposed to receive their next 77W?
That might very well be the first 77W we see in the new livery
There are two being delivered in the 4th quarter.
Lufthansa wrote:Not to mention the 767 probably needs attention first.
American 767 wrote:Lufthansa wrote:Not to mention the 767 probably needs attention first.
The 400ERs are still young and can fly for another 5 to 7 years, if not 10 years.
keesje wrote:American 767 wrote:Lufthansa wrote:Not to mention the 767 probably needs attention first.
The 400ERs are still young and can fly for another 5 to 7 years, if not 10 years.
Have to agree with Lufthansa. The -400ER's average 18 yrs old, the 767-300ER average 24 years old. They aren't young forever
Cointrin330 wrote:keesje wrote:American 767 wrote:
The 400ERs are still young and can fly for another 5 to 7 years, if not 10 years.
Have to agree with Lufthansa. The -400ER's average 18 yrs old, the 767-300ER average 24 years old. They aren't young forever
The 767-400ER's were built and delivered (all) to Continental between 1999 and 2000. The 767-300ER fleet is a whole lot older, with the exception of a dozen frames built and delivered in 2002-2003. United has invested a lot of resources and money to extend the lifespan of the 763s with extensive cabin modifications and avionic upgrades (similar to Delta) and unlike American, which has essentially minimized investing in the 767-300ER except for partial cabin modifications and key maintenance and is phasing the plane out. The A359 is not the replacement for the 767 at United (if United goes ahead with A359 deliveries). The 797 is touted as the 763 replacement.
keesje wrote:Cointrin330 wrote:keesje wrote:
Have to agree with Lufthansa. The -400ER's average 18 yrs old, the 767-300ER average 24 years old. They aren't young forever
The 767-400ER's were built and delivered (all) to Continental between 1999 and 2000. The 767-300ER fleet is a whole lot older, with the exception of a dozen frames built and delivered in 2002-2003. United has invested a lot of resources and money to extend the lifespan of the 763s with extensive cabin modifications and avionic upgrades (similar to Delta) and unlike American, which has essentially minimized investing in the 767-300ER except for partial cabin modifications and key maintenance and is phasing the plane out. The A359 is not the replacement for the 767 at United (if United goes ahead with A359 deliveries). The 797 is touted as the 763 replacement.
If that is correct, Boeing missed the 767 window of opportunity. 2027 For first 797 replacement aircraft becoming available is too far out, in today's competitive environment. Also for 757 replacement btw.
Cointrin330 wrote:keesje wrote:American 767 wrote:
The 400ERs are still young and can fly for another 5 to 7 years, if not 10 years.
Have to agree with Lufthansa. The -400ER's average 18 yrs old, the 767-300ER average 24 years old. They aren't young forever
The 767-400ER's were built and delivered (all) to Continental between 1999 and 2000. The 767-300ER fleet is a whole lot older, with the exception of a dozen frames built and delivered in 2002-2003. United has invested a lot of resources and money to extend the lifespan of the 763s with extensive cabin modifications and avionic upgrades (similar to Delta) and unlike American, which has essentially minimized investing in the 767-300ER except for partial cabin modifications and key maintenance and is phasing the plane out. The A359 is not the replacement for the 767 at United (if United goes ahead with A359 deliveries). The 797 is touted as the 763 replacement.
Spacepope wrote:Cointrin330 wrote:keesje wrote:
Have to agree with Lufthansa. The -400ER's average 18 yrs old, the 767-300ER average 24 years old. They aren't young forever
The 767-400ER's were built and delivered (all) to Continental between 1999 and 2000. The 767-300ER fleet is a whole lot older, with the exception of a dozen frames built and delivered in 2002-2003. United has invested a lot of resources and money to extend the lifespan of the 763s with extensive cabin modifications and avionic upgrades (similar to Delta) and unlike American, which has essentially minimized investing in the 767-300ER except for partial cabin modifications and key maintenance and is phasing the plane out. The A359 is not the replacement for the 767 at United (if United goes ahead with A359 deliveries). The 797 is touted as the 763 replacement.
The oldest 764 in the fleet should hit 80,000 hours on it in less than a year. Seeing how long the 763 is being run, I'd say the 764 (and the 772s) will be around for a good many further years.
keesje wrote:If that is correct, Boeing missed the 767 window of opportunity. 2027 For first 797 replacement aircraft becoming available is too far out, in today's competitive environment. Also for 757 replacement btw.
Bricktop wrote:keesje wrote:If that is correct, Boeing missed the 767 window of opportunity. 2027 For first 797 replacement aircraft becoming available is too far out, in today's competitive environment. Also for 757 replacement btw.
I think Boeing is well aware of what the real 767 window of opportunity is. Probably not congruent with a.net punditry most likely.
But this is a thread for the B772 replacement and as others have said, that's the province of the A359 order. The A359 in UA's new livery would look very sweet IMO. When are deliveries to start?
rjmf22 wrote:Bricktop wrote:keesje wrote:If that is correct, Boeing missed the 767 window of opportunity. 2027 For first 797 replacement aircraft becoming available is too far out, in today's competitive environment. Also for 757 replacement btw.
I think Boeing is well aware of what the real 767 window of opportunity is. Probably not congruent with a.net punditry most likely.
But this is a thread for the B772 replacement and as others have said, that's the province of the A359 order. The A359 in UA's new livery would look very sweet IMO. When are deliveries to start?
2020, if they keep the order intact.
STT757 wrote:rjmf22 wrote:Bricktop wrote:I think Boeing is well aware of what the real 767 window of opportunity is. Probably not congruent with a.net punditry most likely.
But this is a thread for the B772 replacement and as others have said, that's the province of the A359 order. The A359 in UA's new livery would look very sweet IMO. When are deliveries to start?
2020, if they keep the order intact.
UA deferred delivery of their first A350s until late 2022, which means the first ones will enter service sometime in 2023. That's if nothing else changes.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-airb ... SKCN1BH1P8
keesje wrote:American 767 wrote:Lufthansa wrote:Not to mention the 767 probably needs attention first.
The 400ERs are still young and can fly for another 5 to 7 years, if not 10 years.
Have to agree with Lufthansa. The -400ER's average 18 yrs old, the 767-300ER average 24 years old. They aren't young forever
1989worstyear wrote:keesje wrote:American 767 wrote:
The 400ERs are still young and can fly for another 5 to 7 years, if not 10 years.
Have to agree with Lufthansa. The -400ER's average 18 yrs old, the 767-300ER average 24 years old. They aren't young forever
If it was a 25-30 year old A320 you guys would not be saying this (1988 Factor).
jfk777 wrote:United like BA is acquiring many long haul airplane not just one or two types. The 77W are new so they will likely see 2040 at United. The 787 will be here in 2040 too. The 777-200ER fleet is the one getting replaced by A350-900 and various 787's. The real question is what will replace the 767-300ER since Boeing can't seem to decide if they will launch the NMA plane. AA gave us an indication of 767 replacement, the 787-8. UA could do worse them buy the capable 787 as a 767 replacement. Seattle will have the "right" answer, the A350 is too much for the Atlantic and the A330-900 is too big.
jfk777 wrote:Seattle will have the "right" answer, the A350 is too much for the Atlantic and the A330-900 is too big.
MSPNWA wrote:I don't how the A359 order stays as-is. At the very least I see another deferral. 2022-23 is too soon unless UA plans even more large capacity increase and/or retires the 77Es much sooner than expected, not producing a good investment return from the Polaris retrofit.
Stitch wrote:MSPNWA wrote:I don't how the A359 order stays as-is. At the very least I see another deferral. 2022-23 is too soon unless UA plans even more large capacity increase and/or retires the 77Es much sooner than expected, not producing a good investment return from the Polaris retrofit.
Is the plan to retrofit the entire 777-200ER fleet, or will some frames be excluded? If the latter, then there will be retirements that UA can start to slot A350-900s into.
Also, do we know the planned delivery schedule for the A350-900s? UA could take just a handful in the first years and then start to accelerate deliveries in later years as they start to more aggressively draw-down the 77E fleet.
VC10er wrote:But the 764 does fly many premium routes?
tommyy wrote:I can tell you this much, I am sitting now in a 787-10 EWR-TLV which used to be a 777-200 so UA is using the 787-10 to replace 777-200
Veigar wrote:Are UA not using the A350 orders as hostage to get discounts from Boeing? Or has this theory been squashed.
sohanb82 wrote:VC10er wrote:But the 764 does fly many premium routes?
Because it has the amount of J seats needed for European destinations. As the high-Js come online, I suspect some 764 will go to the high-Js.
tommyy wrote:I can tell you this much, I am sitting now in a 787-10 EWR-TLV which used to be a 777-200 so UA is using the 787-10 to replace 777-200
rjmf22 wrote:tommyy wrote:I can tell you this much, I am sitting now in a 787-10 EWR-TLV which used to be a 777-200 so UA is using the 787-10 to replace 777-200
The 787-10 lacks the range that some of the 777's fly on currently, I believe.
sohanb82 wrote:Stitch wrote:As noted, they have 45 A350-900s on order which will likely handle the bulk of the 777-200ER replacement. This will leave 10 777-200ER and 19 777-200 (per Wikipedia) which will probably be replaced with additional 787-10 purchases (they have 8 in the fleet now with 6 more on order). United also has four additional 777-300ER on order and those could play a role, as well.
77Ws probably won't be replacing these 772s--they have a lot of life left.
na wrote:sohanb82 wrote:Stitch wrote:As noted, they have 45 A350-900s on order which will likely handle the bulk of the 777-200ER replacement. This will leave 10 777-200ER and 19 777-200 (per Wikipedia) which will probably be replaced with additional 787-10 purchases (they have 8 in the fleet now with 6 more on order). United also has four additional 777-300ER on order and those could play a role, as well.
77Ws probably won't be replacing these 772s--they have a lot of life left.
There are not may of that opinion. Most airlines have retired or scrapped their 777 past their 15th or 20th birthday. UA has the oldest 777 fleet in the world.