A3bilbaNEO
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TWA800 “zoom climb” on other crashes?

Tue May 21, 2019 4:14 am

During the breakup sequence of this flight, we all know the nose separated approximately at the leading edge of the wings, followed by a climb and subsequent stall of the remaining aircraft. Im not quite into conspiracies about this crash, but i’ve been wondering, did these flights pitch up and climb before tumbling down like twa800 after its foward fuselage separated?

Pan Am 103
MH17
JAT 367
Hughes Airwest 706
Lake Central 527
UTA 772
Air India 182
 
Rudenko
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Re: TWA800 “zoom climb” on other crashes?

Tue May 21, 2019 4:42 am

Not sure about the rest, but I have read that Pan Am 103s cockpit tore off in 2 seconds, went up, came back down and then tore off the number 3 engine and damaged the horizontal stab on the way back.
I believe the rest of the aircraft went slightly to the right and down, breaking into 2 large sections.
 
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Re: TWA800 “zoom climb” on other crashes?

Tue May 21, 2019 5:01 am

Keep in mind the explosion happened while the aircraft was climbing. Indeed, the last words on the CVR was the Flight Engineer saying that the climb power was set. All the other crashes you listed happened during cruise.
 
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Re: TWA800 “zoom climb” on other crashes?

Tue May 21, 2019 6:39 am

A3bilbaNEO wrote:
During the breakup sequence of this flight, we all know the nose separated approximately at the leading edge of the wings, followed by a climb and subsequent stall of the remaining aircraft. Im not quite into conspiracies about this crash, but i’ve been wondering, did these flights pitch up and climb before tumbling down like twa800 after its foward fuselage separated?

Pan Am 103
MH17
JAT 367
Hughes Airwest 706
Lake Central 527
UTA 772
Air India 182


Howdy! I’m curious as to why your question may imply a conspiracy. It seems like a question that makes sense, which is why I’m wondering.

Many thanks.
 
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Re: TWA800 “zoom climb” on other crashes?

Tue May 21, 2019 7:03 am

SL1200MK2 wrote:
A3bilbaNEO wrote:
During the breakup sequence of this flight, we all know the nose separated approximately at the leading edge of the wings, followed by a climb and subsequent stall of the remaining aircraft. Im not quite into conspiracies about this crash, but i’ve been wondering, did these flights pitch up and climb before tumbling down like twa800 after its foward fuselage separated?

Pan Am 103
MH17
JAT 367
Hughes Airwest 706
Lake Central 527
UTA 772
Air India 182


Howdy! I’m curious as to why your question may imply a conspiracy. It seems like a question that makes sense, which is why I’m wondering.

Many thanks.


I can’t speak for OP here, but one of the many controversies in the investigation was the “streak of light”. The conspiracy claim is that it was a missile, but whereas the NTSB suggested that it was an optical illusion, and the streak of light was actually the largely intact but nonetheless on fire jumbo climbing under its volition (the engines were set to climb power just before the explosion) until it went down. I personally believe the NTSBs report is the most accurate but this is a sore point in the whole saga.
 
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Re: TWA800 “zoom climb” on other crashes?

Tue May 21, 2019 7:56 am

Crackshot wrote:
Keep in mind the explosion happened while the aircraft was climbing. Indeed, the last words on the CVR was the Flight Engineer saying that the climb power was set. All the other crashes you listed happened during cruise.


Layman here:

If a bigger front part of the fuselage breaks off neatly, wouldn't that result in a shift of the center of gravity backwards, resulting in a positive angle of attack even in cruise (at least for a few seconds)?
 
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Re: TWA800 “zoom climb” on other crashes?

Tue May 21, 2019 10:57 am

BartSimpson wrote:
Crackshot wrote:
Keep in mind the explosion happened while the aircraft was climbing. Indeed, the last words on the CVR was the Flight Engineer saying that the climb power was set. All the other crashes you listed happened during cruise.


Layman here:

If a bigger front part of the fuselage breaks off neatly, wouldn't that result in a shift of the center of gravity backwards, resulting in a positive angle of attack even in cruise (at least for a few seconds)?



That's my thought as well.
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Re: TWA800 “zoom climb” on other crashes?

Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm

BartSimpson wrote:
Crackshot wrote:
Keep in mind the explosion happened while the aircraft was climbing. Indeed, the last words on the CVR was the Flight Engineer saying that the climb power was set. All the other crashes you listed happened during cruise.


Layman here:

If a bigger front part of the fuselage breaks off neatly, wouldn't that result in a shift of the center of gravity backwards, resulting in a positive angle of attack even in cruise (at least for a few seconds)?


tu204 wrote:
BartSimpson wrote:
Crackshot wrote:
Keep in mind the explosion happened while the aircraft was climbing. Indeed, the last words on the CVR was the Flight Engineer saying that the climb power was set. All the other crashes you listed happened during cruise.


Layman here:

If a bigger front part of the fuselage breaks off neatly, wouldn't that result in a shift of the center of gravity backwards, resulting in a positive angle of attack even in cruise (at least for a few seconds)?



That's my thought as well.


Looking at animated recreations for Pan Am 103, Air India 182 and China Airlines 611, they all broke-up in a matter of seconds. If I had to guess I'd say it was because of the altitude (all were at + FL300). TWA was only at around 130/140, so the effects of decompression wouldn't have been a consideration. Keep in mind I'm just a layman as well, so this is guesswork on my part

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