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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 1:38 am

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He’s by far my favorite troll here. Not even on my foe list, I enjoy the comedic value rather than the blatant stupidity some of these people spout on a daily basis.


I agree. He can get me to laugh while reading a plane crash thread where everyone has died. Well, they were onboard a pre 1988 aircraft.......
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 2:50 am

Revelation wrote:
Or the 767-200neo.


That would be a great choice, but I would prefer the A310-200MAX
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 6:59 am

so if 753 so good why its not produced in numbers? please hit me with link - we all know about search here
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 7:47 am

Let's wait and see if Boeing decides to even go ahead with the 797 considering they've put it on hold for now
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 8:49 am

I will be shocked if Delta takes the 797 until it is in operations for a couple years. I know it left that principle with the 220, and after the previous CEO’s departure, but they will probably be more cautious after Boeing’s latest plane issues.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 2:08 pm

Atlwarrior wrote:
I will be shocked if Delta takes the 797 until it is in operations for a couple years. I know it left that principle with the 220, and after the previous CEO’s departure, but they will probably be more cautious after Boeing’s latest plane issues.


But honest Ed has gone on record saying he wants to be the launch customer of the 797.
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 2:09 pm

Atlwarrior wrote:
I will be shocked if Delta takes the 797 until it is in operations for a couple years. I know it left that principle with the 220, and after the previous CEO’s departure, but they will probably be more cautious after Boeing’s latest plane issues.
the truth does matter, guys. too bad it's often quite subjective. the truth is beyond the mere facts and figures. it's beyond good and bad, right and wrong...
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 2:24 pm

Armadillo1 wrote:
so if 753 so good why its not produced in numbers? please hit me with link - we all know about search here


Produced at a wrong time imo. If the 757 shows up in 1989 vs 1979. I think it would be a much more prolific aircraft and probably get the MAX treatment. With that said it sold well enough at ~1050 frames. It was just too big an aircraft for its era. Today a 757 would be competing with the A321 and doing well imo.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 2:35 pm

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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 2:56 pm

airzona11 wrote:
These are very efficient planes for DL. 40 year-old technology is conjecture that implies they have outlived their useful life. They will more than likely cycle out with DL (and UA). A321s/739s have replaced domestic 763s, so as others have mentioned, more frequency. Or cycling in widebodies as they get older. 797 looks to target this space (both for Boeing and Airbus).


Hmm... replacing a 40 year old design with a 60 year old design.

I’d rather see a brand new design in the fleet, but that won’t happen for only 16 planes.
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 3:23 pm

With the huge A321 fleet Delta is building up (227 on order) and Airbus probably committing to a 101t MTOW,
a vitual 797 >7 yrs away, I can see Delta going for higher capacity 321 (plus?) versions, as soon as they become available.

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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 4:40 pm

klm617 wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
I will be shocked if Delta takes the 797 until it is in operations for a couple years. I know it left that principle with the 220, and after the previous CEO’s departure, but they will probably be more cautious after Boeing’s latest plane issues.


But honest Ed has gone on record saying he wants to be the launch customer of the 797.

Being the launch customer doesn't mean you'll be the launch operator.
DL could place the first 797 first order, but wait until 2 years worth of production is out before taking deliveries.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 4:47 pm

keesje wrote:
With the huge A321 fleet Delta is building up (227 on order) and Airbus probably committing to a 101t MTOW,
a vitual 797 >7 yrs away, I can see Delta going for higher capacity 321 (plus?) versions, as soon as they become available.

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https://airlinerwatch.com/airbus-already-starts-recording-orders-for-its-future-a321-xlr/



What I love about a.net The 797 is considered vaporware even though Boeing has said they are working with airlines to build a business plan for it. The A322 is thrown around here like it is a for sure thing when Airbus has said they shelved the program because they lacked a business case.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 4:48 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
I will be shocked if Delta takes the 797 until it is in operations for a couple years. I know it left that principle with the 220, and after the previous CEO’s departure, but they will probably be more cautious after Boeing’s latest plane issues.


But honest Ed has gone on record saying he wants to be the launch customer of the 797.

Being the launch customer doesn't mean you'll be the launch operator.
DL could place the first 797 first order, but wait until 2 years worth of production is out before taking deliveries.



They could by why would they?
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 4:57 pm

OB1504 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
A320's are 35 year old technology and are on average 21 years old in DL' s fleet. Same goes for the A321N's if you remove the GTF's (and realise they are brand new).

The 738's are of a similar age and are based on 50 year old technology with some mid 90s tweaks. 739's are newer age wise but are also based off the same platform.

Yet the 1988 Factor does not exist... :roll:

No it doesn't. Wake up and smell the roses buddy, it's 2019.


Ignore him. He’s Airliners.net’s most prolific troll, constantly derailing threads with his bizarre obsession with 1988.

Well based on his screen name, I’d say he was born in 1989 and conceived in 1988
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 5:38 pm

Elementalism wrote:
Armadillo1 wrote:
so if 753 so good why its not produced in numbers? please hit me with link - we all know about search here


Produced at a wrong time imo. If the 757 shows up in 1989 vs 1979. I think it would be a much more prolific aircraft and probably get the MAX treatment. With that said it sold well enough at ~1050 frames. It was just too big an aircraft for its era. Today a 757 would be competing with the A321 and doing well imo.
He asked about the 753, not all 757s.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 5:49 pm

In my mind the odds that DL will prematurely retire the 757-300 is smaller than the odds that DL will pick up the 16 Condor 757-300 on the cheap if/when Condor is sold, even with the engines not being common with their existing 757-300 fleet.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 6:12 pm

keesje wrote:
With the huge A321 fleet Delta is building up (227 on order) and Airbus probably committing to a 101t MTOW,
a vitual 797 >7 yrs away, I can see Delta going for higher capacity 321 (plus?) versions, as soon as they become available.

Image
https://airlinerwatch.com/airbus-already-starts-recording-orders-for-its-future-a321-xlr/

Yes, I can see how a new aircraft gets more range, but on a 2 to 4 hr flight, it will be hard to better this A322 on cost.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 6:14 pm

Swadian wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
These are very efficient planes for DL. 40 year-old technology is conjecture that implies they have outlived their useful life. They will more than likely cycle out with DL (and UA). A321s/739s have replaced domestic 763s, so as others have mentioned, more frequency. Or cycling in widebodies as they get older. 797 looks to target this space (both for Boeing and Airbus).


Agreed. Delta 753s are low on cycles and high on hours. It'll be a long time before they get retired. 753s may last as long as 732s do on gravel airstrips. There simply isn't a great replacement.

1989worstyear wrote:
A320's are 35 year old technology and are on average 21 years old in DL' s fleet. Same goes for the A321N's if you remove the GTF's (and realise they are brand new).

The 738's are of a similar age and are based on 50 year old technology with some mid 90s tweaks. 739's are newer age wise but are also based off the same platform.

Yet the 1988 Factor does not exist... :roll:


Your rubbish doesn't apply to the 753 which is likely to outlast DL's older A320s (as they should, since they have better CASM). The 753 is the only recent Boeing narrowbody that can outmatch its Airbus counterparts.


Not true but close. Even the 321neoLRERMax with wiffle dust can’t do the 757-200 job but close as stated in the last meeting in the pilot lounge. No direct 757-200 replacement. That’s from Deltas mouth and they seem to know what they are talking about.
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 6:30 pm

Delta will fly the 757-351 until the wings are about to fall off. They are worth money to Delta and Delta will ring every nickel out of them. Also they are the ONLY Pratt & Whitney 757-351s ever manufactured. :old:
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 6:45 pm

Another lovely variant with no direct replacement..The A321 is a great plane but falls short about 30-50pax depending on the config. Condor's 753 even carry 275 pax! The A330s neos and ceos are just too big and too heavy..better utilised on long-haul..The 797 if and when we see might be some kind of replacement but isn't still going to be a lot heavier than the 753? They are supposed to replace the 767s not the 757s
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 6:47 pm

Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but I was talking to the Delta pilot of my 753 flight back in October and he said that (in addition to being an amazing airline to fly) that the 753's would stick around in to the early-mid 2020's at least.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 6:51 pm

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I'd like to see a 2-2-2 aircraft with a few more rows than the 753 at 185' long. A bigger wing, bigger fan engines. Exactly replicate the nose of the 757 at 1.15 scale, as that is the defining feature of the 757 for me.



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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 7:11 pm

PITexpress wrote:
Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but I was talking to the Delta pilot of my 753 flight back in October and he said that (in addition to being an amazing airline to fly) that the 753's would stick around in to the early-mid 2020's at least.


The 757s may have some replaced here and there over the next decade. But they'll be flying for at least 6-10 years more until an adequate replacement is found. They have announced internally a plan to add more digital (glass) displays in the cockpit. Not sure the timeline yet or scope of the project. That's very costly when spread over 100 -200s, 16 -300s, 10 NBA. You don't do something like that right before retiring a fleet.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Thu May 23, 2019 7:20 pm

Elementalism wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
klm617 wrote:

But honest Ed has gone on record saying he wants to be the launch customer of the 797.

Being the launch customer doesn't mean you'll be the launch operator.
DL could place the first 797 first order, but wait until 2 years worth of production is out before taking deliveries.



They could by why would they?

Uh???
I was just pointing out that launch customer and launch operator were 2 different things.
So, Atlwarrior saying he bets DL will wait until the 797 has 2 years of operations before taking them is not incompatible with klm617 reminder that Ed Bastian said he wants DL to be the launch customer of the 797.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Fri May 24, 2019 2:52 am

johns624 wrote:
Elementalism wrote:
Armadillo1 wrote:
so if 753 so good why its not produced in numbers? please hit me with link - we all know about search here


Produced at a wrong time imo. If the 757 shows up in 1989 vs 1979. I think it would be a much more prolific aircraft and probably get the MAX treatment. With that said it sold well enough at ~1050 frames. It was just too big an aircraft for its era. Today a 757 would be competing with the A321 and doing well imo.
He asked about the 753, not all 757s.


757 production ended due to 9/11 and shortsighted Boeing management. The 757-300 entered service in 1999 which was very bad timing just 2 years before 9/11. I'm convinced the 757 line would have lasted at least 10 more years with more patient, less myopic management. The 757 cancellation in my opinion is a textbook example of the incredibly shortsighted management philosophy that has been a hallmark of US corporate management style for the last 40 years.
 
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Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

Fri May 24, 2019 3:20 am

From what I know, the 757-300 is generally seen as "too big for a narrowbody" and the 757-200 is seen as the largest reasonable size for a narrowbody. If so, DL will probably use A321neos and eventually 797s to replace the 757-300. If an A322 is made, I could see DL interested in that too (as an A322 would be roughly the same size as a 757-200... the A321 is one size category smaller).

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