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How many 737 MAXs would have been delivered by now?

Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 9:17 pm
by rjsampson
Had they not been grounded, of course.

It must be hundreds, worldwide? Seems like the airlines aren't quite feeling the pain yet -- although WN had to cancel 5% of their flights this summer. They seem to be the most affected. I wonder when this will start causing more hurt to airlines. Thoughts?

Re: How many 737 MAXs would have been delivered by now?

Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 10:18 pm
by TUSPHX
Most likely those in storage. The 737max blogspot site shows: KPAE-30, KBFI-59, and KSKF-4. So 93 altogether.

Re: How many 737 MAXs would have been delivered by now?

Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 11:43 pm
by mwhcvt
For most airlines the MAX was not yet a big enough part of their fleet for the grounding to be that big of a headache, there are very few airlines yet that are into double digit deliveries, so this can be compensated for in various ways from the extreme of cancelled flights or special charters, there’s a number of providers of extra lift as needed, plus different parts of the world have their peaks at different times of the year, case in point main Canadian 737s come over to Europe for the summer and then in the winter some European based 737’s will fly out of Canada I believe it’s TUI (EUROPE) and SUNWING (CANADA) that has such an arrangement

Additionally things like adjusting schedule maintenance and retirements where possible can help

Finally there’s also adjusting schedules to get more flying time out of your operational fleet say your 737NG fleet spends hours a day in the air, adjusting schedules to get in another flight across the fleet can give you the needed operational slack

Re: How many 737 MAXs would have been delivered by now?

Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 11:47 pm
by mwhcvt
I did see a photo the other day though where Boeing has quite literally repurposed a parking lot to store MAX in as they are running out of hard standing and I guess if it carry’s on much longer they will have to ferry more off site into storage since they cannot simply stop production very easily, hell if it came to that they’d not only be looking at compensation claims from airlines but likely also suppliers unless they agreed on going payments with vendors storing produced parts

Re: How many 737 MAXs would have been delivered by now?

Posted: Tue May 21, 2019 11:49 pm
by Wingtips56
Are test flights banned too, or can Boeing test completed new builds, and then park them awaiting delivery?

Re: How many 737 MAXs would have been delivered by now?

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:52 am
by mwhcvt
Wingtips56 wrote:
Are test flights banned too, or can Boeing test completed new builds, and then park them awaiting delivery?


Test flights are allowed and Boeing has done a couple of hundred hours of them so far in trying to resolve and or verify the software fix, ferry flights are also permitted which is what has allowed airlines to move frames into storage such as southwest moving all frames to VCV and Boeing themselves have had to park some frames at other sites to free up space I don’t think I’ve heard of them moving any to non Boeing storage sites just yet

Re: How many 737 MAXs would have been delivered by now?

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 11:54 am
by dmg626
mwhcvt wrote:
Wingtips56 wrote:
Are test flights banned too, or can Boeing test completed new builds, and then park them awaiting delivery?


Test flights are allowed and Boeing has done a couple of hundred hours of them so far in trying to resolve and or verify the software fix, ferry flights are also permitted which is what has allowed airlines to move frames into storage such as southwest moving all frames to VCV and Boeing themselves have had to park some frames at other sites to free up space I don’t think I’ve heard of them moving any to non Boeing storage sites just yet


I was at Hobby a few weeks ago and saw United had about 10 Max’s parked there. I thought it was strange to choose that as a parking spot for a several month time line due to the humidity in that area.