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A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 11:06 am

Guillaume Faury, who took over as CEO in April from retiring Tom Enders, said at the Airbus Innovation Days pre-Paris Air Show briefing yesterday, that the A380 led the path to the successful development and production of the successful A350 and the transformation of Airbus into it is today.


The A380 was an industrial if not a sales success because in 2006, problems in final assembly exposed the cultural and industrial mismatch between the French and German plants where the A380 is produced and assembled.

https://leehamnews.com/2019/05/22/a380- ... s-new-ceo/

Thant was an expensive transformation!

Did Airbus really need to do the A380 program first in order to identify this 'cultural mismatch' and make a successful A350?
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 11:20 am

Oh please it’s like the kid who comes in last and get a prize. It’s makes them feel good. Airbus wanted to build something bigger than the 747 to prove a point. Don’t get me wrong I have flown on the airbus A380 with five different airlines and loved it.
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 11:24 am

The only success of A380 is that Airbus will go down in history of aviation as the builder of the biggest commercial aircraft - that's all. Marketwise, it failed and the only profit for Airbus Industrie comes from maintenance contracts...
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 11:31 am

A380 itself is a success, but less than it may be.

but "cultural mismatch issue" is something nowadays, PR about current current finansial flow fights
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 11:39 am

9Patch wrote:
Did Airbus really need to do the A380 program first in order to identify this 'cultural mismatch' and make a successful A350?

I guess we're never going to know, are we?

What we do know is Airbus survived the A380 wiring snafu, and the rib feet snafu, and the entire set of decisions that resulted in making the A380 larger and heavier than it needed to be, mainly because they were able to make lots of money from the A320 and A330 families.

We also know A350 did leverage a lot of tech from A380.

And of course a CEO is going to spin the story in the best possible light.

I guess Leeham wants some clicks so they ran with this story.

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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 12:00 pm

BlueSky1976 wrote:
The only success of A380 is that Airbus will go down in history of aviation as the builder of the biggest commercial aircraft - that's all. Marketwise, it failed and the only profit for Airbus Industrie comes from maintenance contracts...

Agreed! Lets not forget that EK sales is perhaps the most successful endeavor for the giant!
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 12:17 pm

Come on folks, what's he supposed to say? With the very narrow definition of "success" Faury uses, he makes his case. It's only slightly sillier than making the same claim about the B787 being a "success", as that program still has the possibility of making money. Both companies have indeed gained greatly from those expensive tuition payments, even though Airbus seems to want to default on its student loans now.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 12:53 pm

b727fan wrote:
BlueSky1976 wrote:
The only success of A380 is that Airbus will go down in history of aviation as the builder of the biggest commercial aircraft - that's all. Marketwise, it failed and the only profit for Airbus Industrie comes from maintenance contracts...

Agreed! Lets not forget that EK sales is perhaps the most successful endeavor for the giant!


I believe other airlines abandoned A380 in order to not compete with Emirates and any new airline believed that they had to be as big as Emirates in order to buy A380. It's all about fear and greed.
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 1:09 pm

It will not be a direct commercial success, but there is far more than that when assessing the overall legacy success of a program and its benefit for the manufacturer.

The A380 completed the portfolio of an aircraft manufacturer that went from not even existing a few decades prior, to one of the top-two (and for some periods, the biggest) player in the civil aviation industry, now offering everything from small short-haul models to the biggest commercial passenger jet in aviation history. Love or hate its looks, the A380 is a high profile and high prestige airplane, and a continuing talking point amongst those who see it on every single airport apron it stands on.

Passengers absolutely love it, to a degree not seen from the days of Concorde. Its comfort, spaciousness and quietness are absurdly good, and as a whole package, no other passenger aircraft comes close to the A380, quite frankly.

And from a technology standpoint it demonstrated Airbus's capability to build state-of-the-art, innovative aircraft, with technologies and refinements that subsequent programs such as the A350 are already benefiting from, and other programs will continue to do so.

So yes, the bean counters will (rightly) say the A380 program in itself was not a success, but Airbus as a company would have been the poorer if the A380 had not gone ahead. Absolutely no doubt about that. The indirect benefits, now and in the future, cannot be quantified but are numerous, and immense.
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Wed May 22, 2019 1:11 pm

Spinning any lie into being truth is the new normal now, whether it comes from Airbus or Boeing.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 1:19 pm

The A380 may have been a commercial failure but the engineering and management lessons learnt are clearly apparent.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 1:32 pm

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The A380 may have been a commercial failure but the engineering and management lessons learnt are clearly apparent.


Question is are those lessons worth 30B? I'm sure if they had built the a350 instead of the a380 they'd have teething issues too, but at least that program would have been a commercial success
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 1:33 pm

Perhaps the only PR fiasco bigger than the A380 being a complete and utter failure and a pork belly project is Boeing's crisis management.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 1:44 pm

musman9853 wrote:
Kindanew wrote:
The A380 may have been a commercial failure but the engineering and management lessons learnt are clearly apparent.


Question is are those lessons worth 30B? I'm sure if they had built the a350 instead of the a380 they'd have teething issues too, but at least that program would have been a commercial success


One could argue that if the snafus (not teething issues) happend on the A350, Airbus would now be pretty much out of the widebody business . . .
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 2:00 pm

In a recent Airways Magazine article, it said Airbus saw a market for 1000 Airbus A380s. In the end, only about 250 of them will actually be delivered and flown by customers. I'd say that's falling short of the target goal.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:08 pm

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One could argue that if the snafus (not teething issues) happend on the A350, Airbus would now be pretty much out of the widebody business . . .


I doubt it, their first two aircraft were the A300 and A310 and for the first 15 years they only made widebody aircraft.
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 2:13 pm

Agree that commercially it is hard to see the A380 as anything but a failure, but I do see downstream benefits being quite valuable.

Businesses leverage tech and project management as important parts of the value proposition they can sell to customers, and delivering a project of the A380’s scale does give confidence. That value may well have got some deals over the line that may not have without the key learnings and changes implemented over the past 20 years at the company.

Businesses spend big money on ‘transformation’, which often seems the buzz word of the year so often, but none of it comes cheap.

It may have been an expensive lesson, but I wouldn’t overlook just how it has changed Airbus to become far more agile in its approach and delivery.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:25 pm

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In a recent Airways Magazine article, it said Airbus saw a market for 1000 Airbus A380s. In the end, only about 250 of them will actually be delivered and flown by customers. I'd say that's falling short of the target goal.


An engineering success? For sure.

A technical success? Jury is out.

A sales success? Only in Jon lEahy's eyes!
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:29 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
TUSDawg23 wrote:
In a recent Airways Magazine article, it said Airbus saw a market for 1000 Airbus A380s. In the end, only about 250 of them will actually be delivered and flown by customers. I'd say that's falling short of the target goal.


An engineering success? For sure.

A technical success? Jury is out.

A sales success? Only in Jon lEahy's eyes!

A planespotters/#avgeek success? Fo shizzle!
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 2:32 pm

TUSDawg23 wrote:
In a recent Airways Magazine article, it said Airbus saw a market for 1000 Airbus A380s. In the end, only about 250 of them will actually be delivered and flown by customers. I'd say that's falling short of the target goal.


That's only the failures of the airlines , not the manufacturer, the same airlines that saw it fit to order not fit to fly 737 MAX.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:32 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
TUSDawg23 wrote:
In a recent Airways Magazine article, it said Airbus saw a market for 1000 Airbus A380s. In the end, only about 250 of them will actually be delivered and flown by customers. I'd say that's falling short of the target goal.


An engineering success? For sure.

A technical success? Jury is out.

A sales success? Only in Jon lEahy's eyes!


Exactly. Nothing is black and white, certainly when one looks at the whole picture.

You could add 'A passenger experience & feedback success' to your list- and a very big one at that.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:37 pm

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Come on folks, what's he supposed to say? With the very narrow definition of "success" Faury uses, he makes his case. It's only slightly sillier than making the same claim about the B787 being a "success", as that program still has the possibility of making money. Both companies have indeed gained greatly from those expensive tuition payments, even though Airbus seems to want to default on its student loans now.

IIRC, the Boeing 787 is a cash cow for Boeing now and has been profitable for a couple of years already. Nothing compared to the Airbus A380, which has been reported as a money loser in all its years in production.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:44 pm

I propose a new metric: The number of fanboys created on a-net. Based on that metric, the A380 is a resounding success!
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:48 pm

PW100 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Kindanew wrote:
The A380 may have been a commercial failure but the engineering and management lessons learnt are clearly apparent.


Question is are those lessons worth 30B? I'm sure if they had built the a350 instead of the a380 they'd have teething issues too, but at least that program would have been a commercial success


One could argue that if the snafus (not teething issues) happend on the A350, Airbus would now be pretty much out of the widebody business . . .


i mean they did push their way through the production issues and all indications now is that's a good airframe. the only problem for the a380 is there's no market. i think they'd have been fine. if they had spent 25B investing in the a350 I'm sure they would have kept that going as long as possible, and the a350's market is pretty decent sized.
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:49 pm

PW100 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Kindanew wrote:
The A380 may have been a commercial failure but the engineering and management lessons learnt are clearly apparent.


Question is are those lessons worth 30B? I'm sure if they had built the a350 instead of the a380 they'd have teething issues too, but at least that program would have been a commercial success


One could argue that if the snafus (not teething issues) happend on the A350, Airbus would now be pretty much out of the widebody business . . .

But would Airbus have developed something else if they had decided not to launch the A380? Heard about a possible A30X at that time... would have been a far cheaper snafu IMO.
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:55 pm

Airlines0613 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Come on folks, what's he supposed to say? With the very narrow definition of "success" Faury uses, he makes his case. It's only slightly sillier than making the same claim about the B787 being a "success", as that program still has the possibility of making money. Both companies have indeed gained greatly from those expensive tuition payments, even though Airbus seems to want to default on its student loans now.

IIRC, the Boeing 787 is a cash cow for Boeing now and has been profitable for a couple of years already. Nothing compared to the Airbus A380, which has been reported as a money loser in all its years in production.


Are you boasting about Boeing anything right now , let alone its finances?
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Wed May 22, 2019 2:58 pm

Yes it was such a success that as a reporter asked the CEO, Airbus is unable to pay back €600mil in German loans for the program.
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Wed May 22, 2019 3:00 pm

Success? One way to prove it, show us the books. That will put an end to this B.S.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 3:00 pm

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It will not be a direct commercial success, but there is far more than that when assessing the overall legacy success of a program and its benefit for the manufacturer.

The A380 completed the portfolio of an aircraft manufacturer that went from not even existing a few decades prior, to one of the top-two (and for some periods, the biggest) player in the civil aviation industry, now offering everything from small short-haul models to the biggest commercial passenger jet in aviation history. Love or hate its looks, the A380 is a high profile and high prestige airplane, and a continuing talking point amongst those who see it on every single airport apron it stands on.

Passengers absolutely love it, to a degree not seen from the days of Concorde. Its comfort, spaciousness and quietness are absurdly good, and as a whole package, no other passenger aircraft comes close to the A380, quite frankly.

And from a technology standpoint it demonstrated Airbus's capability to build state-of-the-art, innovative aircraft, with technologies and refinements that subsequent programs such as the A350 are already benefiting from, and other programs will continue to do so.

So yes, the bean counters will (rightly) say the A380 program in itself was not a success, but Airbus as a company would have been the poorer if the A380 had not gone ahead. Absolutely no doubt about that. The indirect benefits, now and in the future, cannot be quantified but are numerous, and immense.

Exactly. The haters on this forum can very fairly highlight its commercial failures, but they are missing the big picture on the A380. I'm happy it existed, even if only for a wink in time.
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Wed May 22, 2019 3:00 pm

I think it is an industry success, and should demand comes back, Airbus would have the technological advantage over Boeing for VLAs.

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Wed May 22, 2019 3:34 pm

Airlines0613 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Come on folks, what's he supposed to say? With the very narrow definition of "success" Faury uses, he makes his case. It's only slightly sillier than making the same claim about the B787 being a "success", as that program still has the possibility of making money. Both companies have indeed gained greatly from those expensive tuition payments, even though Airbus seems to want to default on its student loans now.

IIRC, the Boeing 787 is a cash cow for Boeing now and has been profitable for a couple of years already. Nothing compared to the Airbus A380, which has been reported as a money loser in all its years in production.

Yes, cash cow now, but not through program life by 20+ billion.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 3:40 pm

tropical wrote:
The A380 completed the portfolio of an aircraft manufacturer that went from not even existing a few decades prior, to one of the top-two (and for some periods, the biggest) player in the civil aviation industry, now offering everything from small short-haul models to the biggest commercial passenger jet in aviation history.

So what happens after 2021, will the Airbus portfolio revert to incomplete? Airbus was already in the top two and for some periods, the biggest) player in the civil aviation industry. It didn't need the A380s 251 sales to achieve that status.

And from a technology standpoint it demonstrated Airbus's capability to build state-of-the-art, innovative aircraft, with technologies and refinements that subsequent programs such as the A350 are already benefiting from, and other programs will continue to do so.

The A300, A320, A330 and A340 demonstrated Airbus's capability to build state-of-the-art, innovative aircraft. Yes, the A350 benefited from technologies developed for the A380, but couldn't Airbus have got there without it? I think they could.

So yes, the bean counters will (rightly) say the A380 program in itself was not a success, but Airbus as a company would have been the poorer if the A380 had not gone ahead. Absolutely no doubt about that. The indirect benefits, now and in the future, cannot be quantified but are numerous, and immense.

If Airbus management knew in 2000 what they know now would they have gone forward with the program? If given a chance for a do over would they make the same decision? I doubt it.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 3:43 pm

Vladex wrote:
Ask Emirates if A380 is a loser

Take off the fanboy glasses and name one airline that bought more frames beyond the original order, other than SQ who bought 5 more to replace earlier sub-optimal frames. And please don't try to sell us on the "other airlines would have bought more if it wasn't for EK" canard, or "BA really really really wanted more but couldn't get them at their price". The A380 made Emirates, but everywhere else it has been fair-to-middling at best. It's no sin to admit it.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 3:59 pm

CityRail wrote:
I think it is an industry success, and should demand comes back, Airbus would have the technological advantage over Boeing for VLAs.


How? If the demand should come back after the line shuts down will Airbus start production again? No.

What technological advantage will it have over a clean sheet design? None.
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Wed May 22, 2019 4:21 pm

musman9853 wrote:
Kindanew wrote:
The A380 may have been a commercial failure but the engineering and management lessons learnt are clearly apparent.


Question is are those lessons worth 30B? I'm sure if they had built the a350 instead of the a380 they'd have teething issues too, but at least that program would have been a commercial success

It didn't cost Airbus 30B (not sure if you're talking Euro or USD, but it doesn't even matter); some of those cost were recouped, not all though.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 4:22 pm

Airlines0613 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
Come on folks, what's he supposed to say? With the very narrow definition of "success" Faury uses, he makes his case. It's only slightly sillier than making the same claim about the B787 being a "success", as that program still has the possibility of making money. Both companies have indeed gained greatly from those expensive tuition payments, even though Airbus seems to want to default on its student loans now.

IIRC, the Boeing 787 is a cash cow for Boeing now and has been profitable for a couple of years already. Nothing compared to the Airbus A380, which has been reported as a money loser in all its years in production.

The 787 is a cash cow due to the deferred cost (a.k.a. Damocles sword); if Airbus was to defer or write-off all A380 development cost, it would have been a profitable program.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 4:23 pm

With hindsight it’s easy to say that the A380 is a commercial failure. It’s just like a persons life: the older you become, more failures have been made. And you also become wiser.
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afcjets wrote:
PW100 wrote:
One could argue that if the snafus (not teething issues) happend on the A350, Airbus would now be pretty much out of the widebody business . . .


I doubt it, their first two aircraft were the A300 and A310 and for the first 15 years they only made widebody aircraft.


And the a330 is a highly successful aircraft as well.
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Wed May 22, 2019 4:37 pm

9Patch wrote:
CityRail wrote:
I think it is an industry success, and should demand comes back, Airbus would have the technological advantage over Boeing for VLAs.


How? If the demand should come back after the line shuts down will Airbus start production again? No.

What technological advantage will it have over a clean sheet design? None.


Not to mention the 77W, let alone the a350-1000 and 777X , rendered the a380 irrelevant years ago. There is no way Airbus would resurrect the a380 in the future.

Although I bet a.net will have threads on it that will mirror the near-weekly one on "will Boeing restart 757 production.
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 4:50 pm

Not sure if this is a dumb take on it, but without the A380 all those EK airbus orders would probably have gone to Boeing, so in that the program was also in a way a success for airbus.
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Antarius wrote:
9Patch wrote:
CityRail wrote:
I think it is an industry success, and should demand comes back, Airbus would have the technological advantage over Boeing for VLAs.


How? If the demand should come back after the line shuts down will Airbus start production again? No.

What technological advantage will it have over a clean sheet design? None.


Not to mention the 77W, let alone the a350-1000 and 777X , rendered the a380 irrelevant years ago. There is no way Airbus would resurrect the a380 in the future.

Although I bet a.net will have threads on it that will mirror the near-weekly one on "will Boeing restart 757 production.


A two-engined A380, should an engine powerful enough for the job be developed in the future, would probably be a very attractive proposition.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 4:56 pm

Whether a commercial success or failure it is hands down my favourite aircraft to fly on as a passenger in terms of ride comfort. The good news is we can still enjoy flying on it for many years to come.
 
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Wed May 22, 2019 5:08 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
It didn't cost Airbus 30B (not sure if you're talking Euro or USD, but it doesn't even matter); some of those cost were recouped, not all though.


That is correct, many people quote the total program cost but fail to mention approximately 60% of the project was funded by risk sharing partners.

For Airbus the technology developed for the A380 has directly benefited their other projects, for example the ADFX network is now used on the A400 and A350 (and 787). Composite manufacturing of large parts also helped in subsequent programs.

While Airbus will never directly recoup all of the R&D it spent on the A380, it is wrong to think the funds spent on R&D were only applicable to the A380, and will not be recouped indirectly. Also the development cost of later projects would have been higher if the R&D was not done before.
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 5:10 pm

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It didn't cost Airbus 30B (not sure if you're talking Euro or USD, but it doesn't even matter); some of those cost were recouped, not all though.

How much did it cost?
How much of the cost was recouped? How?
How much is shutting down the line costing?
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 5:29 pm

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A two-engined A380, should an engine powerful enough for the job be developed in the future, would probably be a very attractive proposition.

Not compared to a two-engined clean sheet design.

How long will it take before we have an engine powerful enough for a two-engined A380? I'm guessing never.
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 5:31 pm

zeke wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
It didn't cost Airbus 30B (not sure if you're talking Euro or USD, but it doesn't even matter); some of those cost were recouped, not all though.


That is correct, many people quote the total program cost but fail to mention approximately 60% of the project was funded by risk sharing partners.

For Airbus the technology developed for the A380 has directly benefited their other projects, for example the ADFX network is now used on the A400 and A350 (and 787). Composite manufacturing of large parts also helped in subsequent programs.

While Airbus will never directly recoup all of the R&D it spent on the A380, it is wrong to think the funds spent on R&D were only applicable to the A380, and will not be recouped indirectly. Also the development cost of later projects would have been higher if the R&D was not done before.

Exactly. And one of the biggest game-changing technologies first used on the A380 if the wild frequency AC power, standard on 787 and A350 (which came after the A380).
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 5:34 pm

9Patch wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
It didn't cost Airbus 30B (not sure if you're talking Euro or USD, but it doesn't even matter); some of those cost were recouped, not all though.

How much did it cost?

"Cost" to a company means complete expense; if the product sells (and it did), that cost is partially recouped by each sale and that cost now becomes an investment. If the return on investment is positive, the final cost is "0".

9Patch wrote:
How much of the cost was recouped? How?

How much? I don't know, ask Airbus. But it's more than "0".
How was is recouped? By selling airplanes.

9Patch wrote:
How much is shutting down the line costing?

Most likely less than keeping it open.
 
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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 5:41 pm

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Come on folks, what's he supposed to say? With the very narrow definition of "success" Faury uses, he makes his case. It's only slightly sillier than making the same claim about the B787 being a "success", as that program still has the possibility of making money. Both companies have indeed gained greatly from those expensive tuition payments, even though Airbus seems to want to default on its student loans now.

IIRC, the Boeing 787 is a cash cow for Boeing now and has been profitable for a couple of years already. Nothing compared to the Airbus A380, which has been reported as a money loser in all its years in production.

The 787 is a cash cow due to the deferred cost (a.k.a. Damocles sword); if Airbus was to defer or write-off all A380 development cost, it would have been a profitable program.


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Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Wed May 22, 2019 5:51 pm

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Guillaume Faury, who took over as CEO in April from retiring Tom Enders, said at the Airbus Innovation Days pre-Paris Air Show briefing yesterday, that the A380 led the path to the successful development and production of the successful A350 and the transformation of Airbus into it is today.


The A380 was an industrial if not a sales success because in 2006, problems in final assembly exposed the cultural and industrial mismatch between the French and German plants where the A380 is produced and assembled.

https://leehamnews.com/2019/05/22/a380- ... s-new-ceo/

Thant was an expensive transformation!

Did Airbus really need to do the A380 program first in order to identify this 'cultural mismatch' and make a successful A350?


I'm laughing out loud right now...

But really. The A380 is the biggest and worst failure in all of commercial aviation.
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