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KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:16 pm
by factsonly
KLM to launch AMS-BLR in W19 with 3x weekly B789 to replace loss of 9W on route.

This in addition to the Skyteam carrier increasing:
- AMS-BOM to 5x weekly B789/B772
- AMS-DEL with B744 daily

and VS is launching LHR-BOM daily.

AF/KL/DL/VS are trying to recover from the loss of 9W on their own terms.

KLM will not return to AMS-CMB this winter.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:32 pm
by TropicalSky
SkyTeam appears to be moving quickly to try recover from the lost of JETAIRWAYS......goes to show all so this could've been done a long time ago

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:33 pm
by Nimish
This is good, though 3x probably does not cut it. Should be at least 4x/week for business travelers. I guess they'll send the pax via AF on the other days. Here's hoping KL can increase the frequency to daily in short order.

When does this start? Timings?

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:36 pm
by slinky09
Perhaps what it shows is that Jet had a captive market and blew it!

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 12:54 pm
by Fargo
What will the departure/arrival times be on this, and could the frequency be upped if successful or do they not want to take Pax off AF?

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:02 pm
by JOYA380B747
Fargo wrote:
could the frequency be upped if successful or do they not want to take Pax off AF?


Give it a few months of ops, it will surely be upped by one or two more days/wk.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:28 pm
by Nimish
what is the bilateral with NL and India? Is there any capping of capacity or frequency by KL to BLR?

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:33 pm
by jbs2886
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JOYA380B747 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
could the frequency be upped if successful or do they not want to take Pax off AF?


Give it a few months of ops, it will surely be upped by one or two more days/wk.


Can it be? I recall frequencies being limited, are they not still?

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:01 pm
by YouGeeElWhy
Does anyone know how much of 9W's long haul capacity has been replaced by DL, VS, KL now?

Nimish wrote:
what is the bilateral with NL and India? Is there any capping of capacity or frequency by KL to BLR?
All of Western Europe is beyond 5000 km from DEL, so there is no cap for AMS.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:02 pm
by Jetty
Nimish wrote:
what is the bilateral with NL and India? Is there any capping of capacity or frequency by KL to BLR?

21 flights per week with a maximum of 7 to to a single destination. Thus currently not relevant other than that KL can’t expand at DEL.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:04 pm
by Jetty
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Does anyone know how much of 9W's long haul capacity has been replaced by DL, VS, KL now?

Nimish wrote:
what is the bilateral with NL and India? Is there any capping of capacity or frequency by KL to BLR?
All of Western Europe is beyond 5000 km from DEL, so there is no cap for AMS.

This might be Indian policy I’m not aware of but the treaty between India and The Netherlands says otherwise.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:08 pm
by Nimish
Jetty wrote:
Nimish wrote:
what is the bilateral with NL and India? Is there any capping of capacity or frequency by KL to BLR?

21 flights per week with a maximum of 7 to to a single destination. Thus currently not relevant other than that KL can’t expand at DEL.


Thanks - this is exactly what I wanted to know. So KL will have no issues going daily to BLR (in terms of bilateral), and cannot expand to any other Indian city until the bilateral is modified.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:10 pm
by jbs2886
Nimish wrote:
Jetty wrote:
Nimish wrote:
what is the bilateral with NL and India? Is there any capping of capacity or frequency by KL to BLR?

21 flights per week with a maximum of 7 to to a single destination. Thus currently not relevant other than that KL can’t expand at DEL.


Thanks - this is exactly what I wanted to know. So KL will have no issues going daily to BLR (in terms of bilateral), and cannot expand to any other Indian city until the bilateral is modified.


Not sure where you are getting "cannot expand to any other Indian city until the bilateral is modified" - BLR and BOM are less than daily, thus, leaving room for additional flights to those cities OR to other cities.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:20 pm
by Fargo
So when does the flight start and what’s the arrival/departure times from both AMS and BLR?

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:24 pm
by Nimish
jbs2886 wrote:
Nimish wrote:
Jetty wrote:
21 flights per week with a maximum of 7 to to a single destination. Thus currently not relevant other than that KL can’t expand at DEL.


Thanks - this is exactly what I wanted to know. So KL will have no issues going daily to BLR (in terms of bilateral), and cannot expand to any other Indian city until the bilateral is modified.


Not sure where you are getting "cannot expand to any other Indian city until the bilateral is modified" - BLR and BOM are less than daily, thus, leaving room for additional flights to those cities OR to other cities.

Oops - thanks for the clarification, I stand corrected. Hopefully KL will see it worthwhile to make BOM/ DEL as dailies first, BLR will be a distant 2nd I assume.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:25 pm
by MIflyer12
TropicalSky wrote:
SkyTeam appears to be moving quickly to try recover from the lost of JETAIRWAYS......goes to show all so this could've been done a long time ago


That's not what it showed. Jet Airways existed and operated in that space.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:38 pm
by frigatebird
JOYA380B747 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
could the frequency be upped if successful or do they not want to take Pax off AF?


Give it a few months of ops, it will surely be upped by one or two more days/wk.


Problem is that AMS has reached its max capacity regarding starts/landings. As political as this is, KL will have to deal with it. Surely, the slots 9W had will be freed up, but it's not at all a certainty KL will get these. So KL will have to drop destinations like CMB and MRU for now to increase frequencies on other destinations.

KL now phasing out their full pax 744, replacing it with 787-10 doesn't help either.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:44 pm
by SeanM1997
KLM will add 3x weekly flights between Amsterdam and Bengaluru from 28 October 2019:

KL879 AMS 1105-0050+1 BLR (Mon, Wed, Fri)
KL880 BLR 0245-0820 AMS (Tue, Thur, Sat)

Flights will operate on B787-9 with 30 Business Class, 45 Premium Economy and 219 Economy seats totalling 294 seats

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 2:57 pm
by Nimish
SeanM1997 wrote:
KLM will add 3x weekly flights between Amsterdam and Bengaluru from 28 October 2019:

KL879 AMS 1105-0050+1 BLR (Mon, Wed, Fri)
KL880 BLR 0245-0820 AMS (Tue, Thur, Sat)

Flights will operate on B787-9 with 30 Business Class, 45 Premium Economy and 219 Economy seats totalling 294 seats


Flashback - I still remember a couple of years ago when NW had loaded and sold flights on AMS-BLR with about the same timing and start date, and then they pulled out of the route 2 days before the launch. I hope KL has done all the homework and there are no exceptional incidents in the next few months which would derail this launch!

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 3:37 pm
by 76er
SeanM1997 wrote:
45 Premium Economy


KLM does not have a 'premium' economy. It's just an economy seat with slightly better pitch and recline. They call it Economy Comfort.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 6:56 pm
by johhn14
SeanM1997 wrote:
KLM will add 3x weekly flights between Amsterdam and Bengaluru from 28 October 2019:

KL879 AMS 1105-0050+1 BLR (Mon, Wed, Fri)
KL880 BLR 0245-0820 AMS (Tue, Thur, Sat)

Flights will operate on B787-9 with 30 Business Class, 45 Premium Economy and 219 Economy seats totalling 294 seats

Not a good schedule for business travelers originating in the US. We typically fly out Friday or Saturday night from the US and it's Saturday or Sunday when we're departing Europe / ME. Looks like any viable Skyteam option would be via Paris on the outbound and either AMS or CDG on the return.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:16 pm
by blr380
Nice to see this added back! I was one of those booked on NW flight when it was cancelled. Always prefer to go through AMS and looking forward to this flight. Surely it will get increased to daily when the airframes/slots open up.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:28 pm
by EddieDude
frigatebird wrote:
KL now phasing out their full pax 744, replacing it with 787-10 doesn't help either.

No more 77Ws coming?

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 8:15 pm
by 76er
EddieDude wrote:
No more 77Ws coming?


Correct.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:26 pm
by Fargo
They’ll need to increase the frequency on this if they want it to be successful, 3x isn’t enough, it should be 5x or even daily.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 9:39 pm
by aemoreira1981
Meanwhile, KLM will lose business to Lufthansa on service to Bangalore. BLR is served daily by LH with a B748 with first class (flights by LH to BOM do not have first class as they are on the B744). After BOM and DEL, I would argue that BLR is the most premium destination in India.

KLM needs to max out the bilateral.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 10:46 pm
by dtw2hyd
aemoreira1981 wrote:
BLR is served daily by LH with a B748 with first class (flights by LH to BOM do not have first class as they are on the B744)


That could be Code-F gate and slot issue at Mumbai.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:33 am
by LAX772LR
frigatebird wrote:
KL now phasing out their full pax 744, replacing it with 787-10 doesn't help either.

Finish the sentence though: doesn't help _____.

Loads? No.
Yields? Likely significantly... else they wouldn't be continuing with that course of action.

It's not like they couldn't see the current slot situation coming. ;)

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:53 am
by CaliguyNYC
KL is clearly trying to fill as much of the hole left by Jet’s demise as it can. It lacks planes. The BOM add and BLR flights are just using what they had. They clearly could have gone daily to BOM but would rather plant their flag in BLR as well. They will go daily soon enough. Also remember that AF/KL/DL lost the India origin traffic that Jet brought to the table. Not saying they can’t retain a good part of it, but you have to keep in mind that losing a large Indian partner will affect their ability to get pax (especially since India origin pax probably pout number US/EU origin)

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 5:18 am
by FromCDGtoSYD
LAX772LR wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
KL now phasing out their full pax 744, replacing it with 787-10 doesn't help either.

Finish the sentence though: doesn't help _____.

Loads? No.
Yields? Likely significantly... else they wouldn't be continuing with that course of action.

It's not like they couldn't see the current slot situation coming. ;)


I think he's talking about actual frames. As mentioned, routes had to be cut to add these frequencies, by retiring the 744s the fleet size isn't growing so in the meantime they can't increase frequencies. That being said AF also flies daily to BLR with similar timings so its not like business travellers can't get to Europe or the US.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:17 am
by PatrickZ80
aemoreira1981 wrote:
KLM needs to max out the bilateral.


I'm sure they would if they could, but the problem is that Amsterdam is full. They cannot grow there anymore, for each new flight they have to drop an existing flight.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:43 am
by upperdeckfan
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Meanwhile, KLM will lose business to Lufthansa on service to Bangalore. BLR is served daily by LH with a B748 with first class (flights by LH to BOM do not have first class as they are on the B744). After BOM and DEL, I would argue that BLR is the most premium destination in India.

KLM needs to max out the bilateral.


KL is going after the ST pax base in India by filling the 9W void, AF/KL to BLR will be 10x weekly.

The few ones who pay or get paid to fly F to BLR are already flying either LH or BA.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:50 am
by binayak
dtw2hyd wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
BLR is served daily by LH with a B748 with first class (flights by LH to BOM do not have first class as they are on the B744)


That could be Code-F gate and slot issue at Mumbai.


That issue was when T2 wasn't fully completed . Currently LH sends 748 to BOM during winter only.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:58 am
by binayak
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Does anyone know how much of 9W's long haul capacity has been replaced by DL, VS, KL now?


AMS BOM, DEL have been up gauged .
DL has announced JFK BOM which will carry good amount of pax who earlier flew AMS/ CDG BOM on 9W .
VS has announced LHR BOM
KL has announced AMS BLR

Other than them,
BA has added a 4 weekly 787-9 to BOM,

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:24 am
by frigatebird
LAX772LR wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
KL now phasing out their full pax 744, replacing it with 787-10 doesn't help either.

Finish the sentence though: doesn't help _____.

Loads? No.
Yields? Likely significantly... else they wouldn't be continuing with that course of action.

Apologies, I was not clear.
It doesn't help KL trying to fill the gap which was created by the demise of Jet Airways. They now need to use larger planes on their India routes than originally planned, and are short of aircraft 744/77W size. For example, AMS-CUR was to go from 744 to 77W but it will now see the 78X as the 77W's capacity is needed elsewhere.
LAX772LR wrote:
It's not like they couldn't see the current slot situation coming. ;)

Honestly, I actually believe they didn't, at least not at the time of their 787/A350 order. When it was decided AMS would not grow beyond 500000 flights a year, parties involved believed this limit would not be reached until well into the next decade. But AMS grew much faster than expected, partly because so many slots were given to LCC's. All KL could do when this slot constraint was in sight so soon, was convert as many 787-9s on order to -10s.

And it's not that KL's fleet planners are faultless. On the 787-10 for example, 4 of the 38 J seats need to be permanently blocked as KL agreed to a union demand for an extra FA beyond a certain number of seats... That's certainly something they should have seen coming. And I don't think the unions will budge after their 737-700 pyrrhic victory (the unions demanded an extra FA on the 737-700, resulting in the same number of FA's on all 737 types. KL responded by replacing 737-700s with -800s, obviously :laughing: )

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:29 am
by frigatebird
76er wrote:
EddieDude wrote:
No more 77Ws coming?


Correct.

Perhaps they can pick up some used ones. The ones 9W had, are just 11-12 years old. And one of them is still sitting on KL's doorstep at AMS :biggrin:

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 11:01 am
by Amsterdam
What is the soucee for the 744 going to Delhi?

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 3:26 pm
by Jetty
PatrickZ80 wrote:
I'm sure they would if they could, but the problem is that Amsterdam is full. They cannot grow there anymore, for each new flight they have to drop an existing flight.

Every 'season' there are some new slots available. Coming winter at least 9W, WW and some full freighters will have left. Based on EU rules and KL-group using ~50% of movements at AMS they'll get 25% of those free slots. It's not much, but enough for a few extra flights a day.

frigatebird wrote:
Honestly, I actually believe they didn't, at least not at the time of their 787/A350 order. When it was decided AMS would not grow beyond 500000 flights a year, parties involved believed this limit would not be reached until well into the next decade. But AMS grew much faster than expected, partly because so many slots were given to LCC's. All KL could do when this slot constraint was in sight so soon, was convert as many 787-9s on order to -10s.

It would have indeed been hard to predict a few years ago AMS would have the most aircraft movements outside the US and China. They did do something more though: extra 77W's for more capacity and extra E-Jet/737's to claim as much as the remaining slots themselves.

And it's not that KL's fleet planners are faultless. On the 787-10 for example, 4 of the 38 J seats need to be permanently blocked as KL agreed to a union demand for an extra FA beyond a certain number of seats... That's certainly something they should have seen coming. And I don't think the unions will budge after their 737-700 pyrrhic victory (the unions demanded an extra FA on the 737-700, resulting in the same number of FA's on all 737 types. KL responded by replacing 737-700s with -800s, obviously :laughing: )

I like issues and solutions as this much more than the way how union relations are handled at KL's partner AF. :slaphappy:

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 5:39 pm
by sabby
binayak wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
BLR is served daily by LH with a B748 with first class (flights by LH to BOM do not have first class as they are on the B744)


That could be Code-F gate and slot issue at Mumbai.


That issue was when T2 wasn't fully completed . Currently LH sends 748 to BOM during winter only.


LH could send A346 if first class seats were in demand and didn't have code F slot. 8 F seats can easily get much more profit than 100 more Y, even with lower load. LH 754/755 (BLR) goes almost full most days and carries a lot of *A pax for UA as well.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 1:46 pm
by Breathe
frigatebird wrote:
JOYA380B747 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
could the frequency be upped if successful or do they not want to take Pax off AF?


Give it a few months of ops, it will surely be upped by one or two more days/wk.


Problem is that AMS has reached its max capacity regarding starts/landings. As political as this is, KL will have to deal with it. Surely, the slots 9W had will be freed up, but it's not at all a certainty KL will get these. So KL will have to drop destinations like CMB and MRU for now to increase frequencies on other destinations.

KL now phasing out their full pax 744, replacing it with 787-10 doesn't help either.

KLM and Air Mauritius are suspending their JV.

http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/eur ... perations/

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 3:55 pm
by edealinfo
binayak wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
Does anyone know how much of 9W's long haul capacity has been replaced by DL, VS, KL now?


AMS BOM, DEL have been up gauged .


FROM what TO what?

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 3:57 pm
by edealinfo
frigatebird wrote:

And it's not that KL's fleet planners are faultless. On the 787-10 for example, 4 of the 38 J seats need to be permanently blocked as KL agreed to a union demand for an extra FA beyond a certain number of seats... That's certainly something they should have seen coming. And I don't think the unions will budge after their 737-700 pyrrhic victory (the unions demanded an extra FA on the 737-700, resulting in the same number of FA's on all 737 types. KL responded by replacing 737-700s with -800s, obviously :laughing: )


Given that AMS will be in a hole for FAR longer than LHR on the slot issue (at least LHR is getting a 3rd runway), wouldn't it have made sense for KL to have gone in for the A380? I mean, isn't that what the the A380 was specifically created for -- hub airport that is slot constricted.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:22 pm
by lhrsfosyd91
Growth at a slot constrained airport can be obtained by eliminating smallest aircraft types and replacing them with bigger ones and not replacing the biggest jets with even bigger ones. This releases slots on short-haul by transferring frequencies from short to long haul while maintaining short haul capacity.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:30 pm
by Adipocere
Is AF pulling out of BLR? Otherwise what is the “hole” KL is trying to plug in Skyteam’s coverage?

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 4:57 pm
by edealinfo
Adipocere wrote:
Is AF pulling out of BLR? Otherwise what is the “hole” KL is trying to plug in Skyteam’s coverage?


The hole caused by teh collapse of Jet Airways which offered many flight from India to AMS (and CDG). Flight to AMS were from DEL (7X weekly) , BOM (7X weekly) and BLR (5X weekly)

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:14 pm
by Jetty
edealinfo wrote:
Given that AMS will be in a hole for FAR longer than LHR on the slot issue (at least LHR is getting a 3rd runway)

:? Slot issue is political. Tentative decision is to allow 40.000 extra slots per 2021. Thus not at all like LHR.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:30 pm
by sabby
edealinfo wrote:
frigatebird wrote:

And it's not that KL's fleet planners are faultless. On the 787-10 for example, 4 of the 38 J seats need to be permanently blocked as KL agreed to a union demand for an extra FA beyond a certain number of seats... That's certainly something they should have seen coming. And I don't think the unions will budge after their 737-700 pyrrhic victory (the unions demanded an extra FA on the 737-700, resulting in the same number of FA's on all 737 types. KL responded by replacing 737-700s with -800s, obviously :laughing: )


Given that AMS will be in a hole for FAR longer than LHR on the slot issue (at least LHR is getting a 3rd runway), wouldn't it have made sense for KL to have gone in for the A380? I mean, isn't that what the the A380 was specifically created for -- hub airport that is slot constricted.


Forget A380, KL haven't even ordered 777X. They have only 14 77Ws. They were in the red for a while and became profitable by pragmatically managing fleet and routes. Their main goal is AMS O&D whether it is short haul or long. Because of slot limits, they could actually benefit from higher yield of long hauls routes.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Sun May 26, 2019 5:35 pm
by CaliguyNYC
edealinfo wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
Is AF pulling out of BLR? Otherwise what is the “hole” KL is trying to plug in Skyteam’s coverage?


The hole caused by teh collapse of Jet Airways which offered many flight from India to AMS (and CDG). Flight to AMS were from DEL (7X weekly) , BOM (7X weekly) and BLR (5X weekly)


I think people forget that India is also a bulk play for airlines. So while they want to serve some of the major cities for their network, they also rely on India traffic to fill seats EU-USA. This is even more true during the winter when US-India traffic is pretty decent but it is low season US-EU. That is why VS, AF and KL all wanted 9W to push traffic through their respected hubs.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 8:37 am
by frigatebird
edealinfo wrote:
frigatebird wrote:

And it's not that KL's fleet planners are faultless. On the 787-10 for example, 4 of the 38 J seats need to be permanently blocked as KL agreed to a union demand for an extra FA beyond a certain number of seats... That's certainly something they should have seen coming. And I don't think the unions will budge after their 737-700 pyrrhic victory (the unions demanded an extra FA on the 737-700, resulting in the same number of FA's on all 737 types. KL responded by replacing 737-700s with -800s, obviously :laughing: )


Given that AMS will be in a hole for FAR longer than LHR on the slot issue (at least LHR is getting a 3rd runway), wouldn't it have made sense for KL to have gone in for the A380? I mean, isn't that what the the A380 was specifically created for -- hub airport that is slot constricted.

KLm has already upgauged their fleet capacity since the introduction of the 77W. Before that, KL had just 7 400+ pax aircraft, the 744s. Now they have 19: 14x 77W and 5x 744. KL had looked at the A380 in the past, found it suitable for just a few routes, and a small subfleet of just 4 A380s or so isn't economical. Not even the ones AF will get rid of. KL is better off upgauging their smaller aircraft. They are doing this by replacing the remaining 744combi with 787-10s, which means around 70 additional passengers per aircraft. They will also phase out 737-700s in favor of larger narrowbodies. But I do think KL must look into alternatives for their remaining 744 full pax aircraft, because the 787-10 here means around 70 pax less per aircraft. 2nd hand 77W could be a possibility, leasing end of the line new 77W's also, ordering 777-9s (together with AF to replace A380 and the oldest 77W) would even be better.

Re: KLM launches BLR in W19

Posted: Mon May 27, 2019 11:41 am
by 747classic
frigatebird wrote:

But I do think KL must look into alternatives for their remaining 744 full pax aircraft, because the 787-10 here means around 70 pax less per aircraft. 2nd hand 77W could be a possibility, leasing end of the line new 77W's also, ordering 777-9s (together with AF to replace A380 and the oldest 77W) would even be better.


After the scheduled phase out of the next 744 all pax (PH-BFG) in December 2019, the remaining 744 all pax aircraft are already strugling to fill all scheduled rotations of winterschedule 2019/20
The extra 6th AMS-PBM flight added on Friday 17, 24, 31 Jan 2020 and 7, 14 Feb 2020 can only be operated by cancelling the Friday rotation KL735/736 on the same days. So on those fridays only one A330-200 is operating towards CUR*.

After 29 March 2020 (Phase out of PH-BFH) KL735/736, the backbone CUR rotation is scheduled to be operated by 787-10 i.s.o. 744, with 70 pax less per aircraft.

* Our already booked 744 KL736 flight (C-class, seats 3A and 3B) on 14 feb 2020 was cancelled last week and we were transferred to KL734 the same day, but this aircraft was already almost full, so no more seat selection , even in C-class. We ended up seat 1A for myself and seat 3B for my wive, totally unexceptable.