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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 12:30 am

Bricktop wrote:
keesje wrote:
Why exactly would you choose MAX? Logic, support for Boeing or something else? The same Boeing & FAA declared the aircraft safe after the first crash and hours before the grounding. I would rather wait for solid support from EASA.

The same EASA that certified the MAX previously?


The same EASA which previously certified the MAX under retrospectivity, and has since been quite clear they will (re)certify it this time as a standalone process.
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 1:17 am

yabeweb wrote:
Some people will fall for this kind o PR, and while it is nice to see a C.E.O. putting the face and his bum where is mouth is, it proves nothing.

That flight will be very different from the millions of other flights, with all eyes there and the best pilots, egineers and technician on board, of course that flight will be a smooth ride.
1 smooth ride will prove what? not much as the Max had plenty of "safe" flights before the accident, and just because nothing happen on that particular flight does not prove anything.
Nope won't seat on a Max for as long as I can, it is simply a not so well thought out plane.


Do you really think that is how it works? This sounds like a flight from WorldWar2 where there were pilots, engineers, technicians, wizards, you name it on board.
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 1:19 am

OB1504 wrote:
Moose135 wrote:
Doug Parker was on the NBC nightly network news tonight, and said much the same - if his pilots feel it is safe, he and his family would fly on the MAX.


The airplane was in service for over a year and he never flew on it. I think even he knows how sorry the hard product is on his MAXes.


Sure he and his family would... IF...
- the corporate jet was unavailable for some reason
- they were unable to charter a private jet

And then, only IF...
- everyone got to sit in first class
- the row in front of them was blocked out so no one could recline
- special, VIP premium catering was boarded and served
- a special announcement was made absolutely forbidding any coach passengers from entering the F cabin

Doug Parker only sells the minimum product his lowest paying passenger is willing to buy... and he’s not willing to buy it... or even use it when it’s given to him.
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 1:51 am

MAX or Allegiant?

Tough call.
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 3:08 am

Hmm—- so if I can’t find the flight/time I want at the right price... I book the cheapest Max flight and then get a free change? Starting to feel a little more anxious...
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 4:51 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Well, there was the Barclay's survey, and right after that there was the Reuters/Ipsos survey that suggested plane model mattered little among top consumer purchase decision criteria.

In the public opinion poll released May 15, only about half of U.S. adults say they are familiar with the airplane crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia that together killed 346 people, and only 43% could identify the Boeing 737 MAX as the aircraft involved.

Most importantly for Boeing in the wake of the crashes, only 3% said that aircraft maker or model number was most important to them when buying a plane ticket. In contrast, 57% said ticket price was most important. The poll has a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of 3 percentage points.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethi ... SKCN1SL12D

IME, most people on-board can't tell the aircraft model without looking at the safety card, and very, very few can tell aircraft age (they get fooled by a new interior or amenities in an old plane). AA/UA/WN pilots won't fly them if they don't feel safe, whatever the multiple criteria (new MCAS software/FAA approval/sim training?) may be.


These statistics, like most, are interesting on the surface -- but they're almost totally worthless...

The guy who flies once a month his vote matters 12x more than someone that flies once per year. I'd bet 50% of Americans fly once a year on average.

For the "3%" that cares about the Aircraft they're on: I wonder if they're more likely to be frequent flyers, or more likely to be the person that flies once per year.
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 5:13 am

This nonsense with the max 8 max 8 is getting really stupid. 99% of the public have no idea what kinda airplane they are flying. It’s the news media who is making a big deal about this. Big deal 2 max crashed. Do you know how many 707/272/dc10 and other types of airliners crash for us to enjoy the safest mode of transportation. Yes companies are thinking more and more about the shareholders and less less about the safety of others. Food companies/drug companies are more about profit than the wellbeing of people. Anyway we lost two max and yes a few hundred people are now in a better place(prayers),but it’s time to move on.
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 5:42 am

skystar767 wrote:
This nonsense with the max 8 max 8 is getting really stupid. 99% of the public have no idea what kinda airplane they are flying. It’s the news media who is making a big deal about this. Big deal 2 max crashed. Do you know how many 707/272/dc10 and other types of airliners crash for us to enjoy the safest mode of transportation. Yes companies are thinking more and more about the shareholders and less less about the safety of others. Food companies/drug companies are more about profit than the wellbeing of people. Anyway we lost two max and yes a few hundred people are now in a better place(prayers),but it’s time to move on.


Uh no, it will be time to move on when the MAX is a safe plane and has proven to be so, which will be a variable amount of time for different people.
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 6:17 am

airzona11 wrote:
yabeweb wrote:
Some people will fall for this kind o PR, and while it is nice to see a C.E.O. putting the face and his bum where is mouth is, it proves nothing.

That flight will be very different from the millions of other flights, with all eyes there and the best pilots, egineers and technician on board, of course that flight will be a smooth ride.
1 smooth ride will prove what? not much as the Max had plenty of "safe" flights before the accident, and just because nothing happen on that particular flight does not prove anything.
Nope won't seat on a Max for as long as I can, it is simply a not so well thought out plane.


Do you really think that is how it works? This sounds like a flight from WorldWar2 where there were pilots, engineers, technicians, wizards, you name it on board.

I can assure you, it won't be a regular flight ;) but they will sure make it look like it.
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Fri May 24, 2019 7:12 am

skystar767 wrote:
This nonsense with the max 8 max 8 is getting really stupid. 99% of the public have no idea what kinda airplane they are flying. It’s the news media who is making a big deal about this. Big deal 2 max crashed. Do you know how many 707/272/dc10 and other types of airliners crash for us to enjoy the safest mode of transportation. Yes companies are thinking more and more about the shareholders and less less about the safety of others. Food companies/drug companies are more about profit than the wellbeing of people. Anyway we lost two max and yes a few hundred people are now in a better place(prayers),but it’s time to move on.


Yep, 1) a lot of planes had to crash, 2) a lot of people had to die, and 3) a lot of people worked very hard to fix #1 in order to see aviation get to the level of safety we see today. Shrugging off 2 crashes as "no big deal" is a sickening statement.

Safety first. Safety second. Get one and two right, and the Almighty Profit will emerge.
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Sat May 25, 2019 12:11 am

skystar767 wrote:
This nonsense with the max 8 max 8 is getting really stupid. 99% of the public have no idea what kinda airplane they are flying. It’s the news media who is making a big deal about this. Big deal 2 max crashed. Do you know how many 707/272/dc10 and other types of airliners crash for us to enjoy the safest mode of transportation. Yes companies are thinking more and more about the shareholders and less less about the safety of others. Food companies/drug companies are more about profit than the wellbeing of people. Anyway we lost two max and yes a few hundred people are now in a better place(prayers),but it’s time to move on.


That's very insensitive I think. 346 lives lost is 346 lives more than what should have been lost in the first place. It's a learning curve and there's a lot to learn from these 2 incidents. These 2 crashes will also help keep the future of aviation safer than what it is because these planes are the future, atleast the short to medium term future.

And I don't agree with the fact that you say they are in a better place. How does dying in a plane crash make them in a better place? All the families would disagree.
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Sat May 25, 2019 12:16 am

KFLLCFII wrote:
MAX or Allegiant?

Tough call.


One has lost 2 jets after being in service for about 2 or so years. The other has been in existence for about 20 years with 0(I think) deaths.
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Sat May 25, 2019 1:32 am

yabeweb wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
yabeweb wrote:
Some people will fall for this kind o PR, and while it is nice to see a C.E.O. putting the face and his bum where is mouth is, it proves nothing.

That flight will be very different from the millions of other flights, with all eyes there and the best pilots, egineers and technician on board, of course that flight will be a smooth ride.
1 smooth ride will prove what? not much as the Max had plenty of "safe" flights before the accident, and just because nothing happen on that particular flight does not prove anything.
Nope won't seat on a Max for as long as I can, it is simply a not so well thought out plane.


Do you really think that is how it works? This sounds like a flight from WorldWar2 where there were pilots, engineers, technicians, wizards, you name it on board.

I can assure you, it won't be a regular flight ;) but they will sure make it look like it.


You sound like you're doing the load and crew planning/scheduling. :roll: The only unusual thing about that MAX9 re-introduction flight will be the positive space bookings of Oscar Muñoz and maybe some other folks. A bit of PR and social media, but otherwise the crew will bid for and staff the plane accordingly. Even the Inaugural MAX9 flights at UA weren't hand-picked (I was on the IAH-MCO MAX9 Inaugural and there were 4 trainee FA's earning their wings on that flight, in addition to the regular crew).
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Sat May 25, 2019 11:00 am

CALAV8R wrote:
yabeweb wrote:
airzona11 wrote:

Do you really think that is how it works? This sounds like a flight from WorldWar2 where there were pilots, engineers, technicians, wizards, you name it on board.

I can assure you, it won't be a regular flight ;) but they will sure make it look like it.


You sound like you're doing the load and crew planning/scheduling. :roll: The only unusual thing about that MAX9 re-introduction flight will be the positive space bookings of Oscar Muñoz and maybe some other folks. A bit of PR and social media, but otherwise the crew will bid for and staff the plane accordingly. Even the Inaugural MAX9 flights at UA weren't hand-picked (I was on the IAH-MCO MAX9 Inaugural and there were 4 trainee FA's earning their wings on that flight, in addition to the regular crew).

Just common sense..... but believe what you want to believe....peace out.
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Sun May 26, 2019 7:24 pm

DeltaB717 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
keesje wrote:
Why exactly would you choose MAX? Logic, support for Boeing or something else? The same Boeing & FAA declared the aircraft safe after the first crash and hours before the grounding. I would rather wait for solid support from EASA.

The same EASA that certified the MAX previously?


The same EASA which previously certified the MAX under retrospectivity, and has since been quite clear they will (re)certify it this time as a standalone process.

The same EASA that originally raised with the FAA, some of the issues now being investigated? The same FAA that reminded EASA of the reciprocity agreement?
 
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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Sun May 26, 2019 7:36 pm

airboss787 wrote:
skystar767 wrote:
This nonsense with the max 8 max 8 is getting really stupid. 99% of the public have no idea what kinda airplane they are flying. It’s the news media who is making a big deal about this. Big deal 2 max crashed. Do you know how many 707/272/dc10 and other types of airliners crash for us to enjoy the safest mode of transportation. Yes companies are thinking more and more about the shareholders and less less about the safety of others. Food companies/drug companies are more about profit than the wellbeing of people. Anyway we lost two max and yes a few hundred people are now in a better place(prayers),but it’s time to move on.


That's very insensitive I think. 346 lives lost is 346 lives more than what should have been lost in the first place. It's a learning curve and there's a lot to learn from these 2 incidents. These 2 crashes will also help keep the future of aviation safer than what it is because these planes are the future, atleast the short to medium term future.

And I don't agree with the fact that you say they are in a better place. How does dying in a plane crash make them in a better place? All the families would disagree.

These two crashes will change the certification process. Sadly, every crash makes aviation safer. High profile crashes perhaps go overboard.

Although the OZ crash at SFO showed do nothing is the best.

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Re: UA's Munoz: Will be on first 737 MAX flight, willing to change flights for customers

Sun May 26, 2019 7:55 pm

smartplane wrote:
DeltaB717 wrote:
Bricktop wrote:
The same EASA that certified the MAX previously?


The same EASA which previously certified the MAX under retrospectivity, and has since been quite clear they will (re)certify it this time as a standalone process.

The same EASA that originally raised with the FAA, some of the issues now being investigated? The same FAA that reminded EASA of the reciprocity agreement?

So they were gutless and incompetent before, and that's a excuse? But, they are talking tough now, so all's well.

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