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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:29 am

Part of me wonders if the A332 via Medan is a face saving way of eventually closing LHR... you know, we put a more economic aircraft on the route, then we rerouted the flight, neither of those worked so... yeah... we close now.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:36 am

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Well KNO must be a tech stop only as stated above as it's illegal in Indonesia to have domestic tags on international flights. Remember a few years ago GA was fined for operating Makassar-Medan-Jeddah without the proper authority and they had to split the flight into 2 flight numbers. IMO the only way LHR will work (read: break even at best) is to operate CGK-SIN-LHR-SIN-CGK.


It is not. KNO-LHR is bookable. However KNO-DPS seems not to be bookable, so I guess on LHR-KNO-DPS people will leave in KNO, but no new domestic passengers will get on. Which is a pity, there are no direct flights between DPS & KNO yet.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:19 am

dirk88 wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
Well KNO must be a tech stop only as stated above as it's illegal in Indonesia to have domestic tags on international flights. Remember a few years ago GA was fined for operating Makassar-Medan-Jeddah without the proper authority and they had to split the flight into 2 flight numbers. IMO the only way LHR will work (read: break even at best) is to operate CGK-SIN-LHR-SIN-CGK.


It is not. KNO-LHR is bookable. However KNO-DPS seems not to be bookable, so I guess on LHR-KNO-DPS people will leave in KNO, but no new domestic passengers will get on. Which is a pity, there are no direct flights between DPS & KNO yet.

GA always manages to make LHR worse...is someone important from KNO? I'd guess it's a political favor to give Medan and/or Sumatra a nonstop to Europe.
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:46 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
dirk88 wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
Well KNO must be a tech stop only as stated above as it's illegal in Indonesia to have domestic tags on international flights. Remember a few years ago GA was fined for operating Makassar-Medan-Jeddah without the proper authority and they had to split the flight into 2 flight numbers. IMO the only way LHR will work (read: break even at best) is to operate CGK-SIN-LHR-SIN-CGK.


It is not. KNO-LHR is bookable. However KNO-DPS seems not to be bookable, so I guess on LHR-KNO-DPS people will leave in KNO, but no new domestic passengers will get on. Which is a pity, there are no direct flights between DPS & KNO yet.

GA always manages to make LHR worse...is someone important from KNO? I'd guess it's a political favor to give Medan and/or Sumatra a nonstop to Europe.

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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:49 am

So Medan is a quasi-tech stop. Yes sell tickets LHR-KNO & LHR-DPS, but not domestically as illegal to have same flight number as I mentioned above. I don't think any Sumatran politics are in play- look where KOE is located- it's basically the only major place geographically the aircraft can land in Indonesia to enable the A330 nonstops- perhaps GA are getting their landing fees waived or reimbursed by the govt. Years ago KLM flew to Medan with a 747, although it didn't last long.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:07 am

eta unknown wrote:
So Medan is a quasi-tech stop. Yes sell tickets LHR-KNO & LHR-DPS, but not domestically as illegal to have same flight number as I mentioned above. I don't think any Sumatran politics are in play- look where KOE is located- it's basically the only major place geographically the aircraft can land in Indonesia to enable the A330 nonstops- perhaps GA are getting their landing fees waived or reimbursed by the govt. Years ago KLM flew to Medan with a 747, although it didn't last long.
yep makes sense. Only place closer to Europe for this stop would be Atjeh, which would probably worry too may Bali holiday goers.

I wonder what would be a way to make RI - Europe work. Would there be any change for success if they would offer AMS-CGK-MEL & LHR-CGK-SYD with fast and convenient transfers between the two? Skyteam doesn't have many great options Europe-Australia, especially considering China Southern is leaving the alliance.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:57 pm

Just in: They suddenly changed their CGK-AMS flight to CGK-KNO-AMS with only 2 weeks notice, from october 1th. Damn, they really should make up their mind.

Just this year, their two Europe routes have seen so many changes. Always on super short notice.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:03 pm

dirk88 wrote:
Just in: They suddenly changed their CGK-AMS flight to CGK-KNO-AMS with only 2 weeks notice, from october 1th. Damn, they really should make up their mind.

Just this year, their two Europe routes have seen so many changes. Always on super short notice.

Incorrect. They will change the routing to DPS-KNO-AMS, leaving KLM as the sole airline flying direct from CGK to AMS.

At least they announced the impending change before actually changing the routing, which was not the case in CGK-LHR-DPS -> DPS-KNO-LHR vv.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:08 pm

KiloEchoVictor wrote:
dirk88 wrote:
Just in: They suddenly changed their CGK-AMS flight to CGK-KNO-AMS with only 2 weeks notice, from october 1th. Damn, they really should make up their mind.

Just this year, their two Europe routes have seen so many changes. Always on super short notice.

Incorrect. They will change the routing to DPS-KNO-AMS, leaving KLM as the sole airline flying direct from CGK to AMS.


Sorry, you are half correct :P

Garuda's CGK-AMS is indeed changing to DPS-KNO-AMS. Meanwhile, KLM doesn't fly direct to CGK, they have a stop in KUL :-).

Anyway, again Garuda makes another schedule change just a few days in advance :?
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:36 pm

They should just slap their code on SQ's flights to Europe and be done with it. Garuda already code-shares heavily with SQ/SilkAir between various Indonesian cities and SIN. It would make sense to extend that code-share to European routes.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:39 pm

dirk88 wrote:
KiloEchoVictor wrote:
dirk88 wrote:
Just in: They suddenly changed their CGK-AMS flight to CGK-KNO-AMS with only 2 weeks notice, from october 1th. Damn, they really should make up their mind.

Just this year, their two Europe routes have seen so many changes. Always on super short notice.

Incorrect. They will change the routing to DPS-KNO-AMS, leaving KLM as the sole airline flying direct from CGK to AMS.


Sorry, you are half correct

Garuda's CGK-AMS is indeed changing to DPS-KNO-AMS. Meanwhile, KLM doesn't fly direct to CGK, they have a stop in KUL :-).

Anyway, again Garuda makes another schedule change just a few days in advance :?
KLM does fly direct to CGK, just that it's not non-stop.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:48 pm

KiloEchoVictor wrote:
dirk88 wrote:
Just in: They suddenly changed their CGK-AMS flight to CGK-KNO-AMS with only 2 weeks notice, from october 1th. Damn, they really should make up their mind.

Just this year, their two Europe routes have seen so many changes. Always on super short notice.

Incorrect. They will change the routing to DPS-KNO-AMS, leaving KLM as the sole airline flying direct from CGK to AMS.

At least they announced the impending change before actually changing the routing, which was not the case in CGK-LHR-DPS -> DPS-KNO-LHR vv.


Any idea what aircraft they’ll use on these flights?
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:50 pm

ok fair enough, a direct flight with a stop-over. With Garuda abandoning CGK-AMS, there are no direct non-stops between the cities anymore.

Did anyone find an official announcement (anything besides Garuda's FB post in Bahasa Indonesia which just announces the direct KNO-AMS) of this change already?
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:54 pm

KNO is Medan in Indonesia in case any one else did not know it
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:18 pm

chiraagnt wrote:
KiloEchoVictor wrote:
dirk88 wrote:
Just in: They suddenly changed their CGK-AMS flight to CGK-KNO-AMS with only 2 weeks notice, from october 1th. Damn, they really should make up their mind.

Just this year, their two Europe routes have seen so many changes. Always on super short notice.

Incorrect. They will change the routing to DPS-KNO-AMS, leaving KLM as the sole airline flying direct from CGK to AMS.

At least they announced the impending change before actually changing the routing, which was not the case in CGK-LHR-DPS -> DPS-KNO-LHR vv.


Any idea what aircraft they’ll use on these flights?


Airbus A330-900neo, Garuda Indonesia have 14 of the type on order and the aircraft will operate the route from 29 October 2019 replacing the current A330-200.

Flights will depart Denpasar and London Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. A single aircraft rotation from Denpasar to London and back again will take just under 39 hours. Only one aircraft is needed to maintain the schedule.

GA086 depart DPS 07.20 arrive KNO 10.25 depart KNO 11.55 arrive LHR 19.00
GA087 depart LHR 20.45 arrive KNO 16.05 depart KNO 17.35 arrive DPS 22.00
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:38 am

Presumably they will ditch the Medan stop if and when they get the 4x A330 800s recently LOId.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Sep 18, 2019 10:22 am

Cunard wrote:
chiraagnt wrote:
KiloEchoVictor wrote:
Incorrect. They will change the routing to DPS-KNO-AMS, leaving KLM as the sole airline flying direct from CGK to AMS.

At least they announced the impending change before actually changing the routing, which was not the case in CGK-LHR-DPS -> DPS-KNO-LHR vv.


Any idea what aircraft they’ll use on these flights?


Airbus A330-900neo, Garuda Indonesia have 14 of the type on order and the aircraft will operate the route from 29 October 2019 replacing the current A330-200.

Flights will depart Denpasar and London Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. A single aircraft rotation from Denpasar to London and back again will take just under 39 hours. Only one aircraft is needed to maintain the schedule.

GA086 depart DPS 07.20 arrive KNO 10.25 depart KNO 11.55 arrive LHR 19.00
GA087 depart LHR 20.45 arrive KNO 16.05 depart KNO 17.35 arrive DPS 22.00


Will it be used on AMS-KNO-DPS as well?
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Mon Sep 30, 2019 10:38 am

chiraagnt wrote:
Cunard wrote:
chiraagnt wrote:

Any idea what aircraft they’ll use on these flights?


Airbus A330-900neo, Garuda Indonesia have 14 of the type on order and the aircraft will operate the route from 29 October 2019 replacing the current A330-200.

Flights will depart Denpasar and London Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. A single aircraft rotation from Denpasar to London and back again will take just under 39 hours. Only one aircraft is needed to maintain the schedule.

GA086 depart DPS 07.20 arrive KNO 10.25 depart KNO 11.55 arrive LHR 19.00
GA087 depart LHR 20.45 arrive KNO 16.05 depart KNO 17.35 arrive DPS 22.00


Will it be used on AMS-KNO-DPS as well?


As per flightradar24, both flights to London and Amsterdam will be operated by Airbus A330-200 starting tomorrow, 1.10.19
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Sun Oct 06, 2019 4:54 am

AMS-KNO-DPS is now a mix of 777-300 & A330-200. There appears to be no rhyme nor reason to the days / equipment type.
I'm scheduled to fly on this route in a few weeks, and the equipment type has changed 3 times.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:05 am

GA has operated the A332 only once DPS-KNO-AMS thus far:

-- 05 Oct 2019 Medan (KNO) Amsterdam (AMS) B77W (PK-GII)
- 05 Oct 2019 Denpasar (DPS) Medan (KNO) B77W (PK-GII)
- 04 Oct 2019 Medan (KNO) Amsterdam (AMS) B77W (PK-GIJ)
- 04 Oct 2019 Denpasar (DPS) Medan (KNO) B77W (PK-GIJ)
- 03 Oct 2019 Medan (KNO) Amsterdam (AMS) B77W (PK-GII)
- 03 Oct 2019 Denpasar (DPS) Medan (KNO) B77W (PK-GII)
- 02 Oct 2019 Medan (KNO) Amsterdam (AMS) A332 (PK-GPL)
- 02 Oct 2019 Denpasar (DPS) Medan (KNO) A332 (PK-GPL)
- 01 Oct 2019 Medan (KNO) Amsterdam (AMS) B77W (PK-GII)
- 01 Oct 2019 Denpasar (DPS) Medan (KNO) B77W (PK-GII)
- 29 Sep 2019 Jakarta (CGK) Amsterdam (AMS) B77W (PK-GIH)
- 28 Sep 2019 Jakarta (CGK) Amsterdam (AMS) B77W (PK-GIC)
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:32 pm

Did the A332 have any performance issues or is GA playing fleet planning roulette again ?
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:16 am

Only A332s throughout November to AMS so far.

Flight to London seems to have stopped operating...
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:20 pm

LHR is still operating, but appears to be the subject of a lot of ad hoc cancellations. Normally schedule LHR-KNO-DPS is Tue/Thu/Sat, but only 12/24/28/31DEC and 04/07/09/11 JAN are operating until 3x/week resumes from 14JAN.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:38 pm

Having just read the Tunisair LHR post, I wonder if GA will run foul with LHR Airport for not complying with the "use it or lose it" clause of LHR ops.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:28 am

Garuda been trying to fly back to the United States most likely LA. Been applying fifth freedom rights out of Narita but to no avail. Its hard for Garuda to fly to Europe profitably with their limited network. They shouldn't have flown direct to london, but get fifth freedom rights out of India, or at least try to serve passengers going to London from Australia.... The problem with Garuda is they insist on becoming one of the premium airlines and not competing on cheaper fares...
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:24 pm

London bookings zero'd out again effective March 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/

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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:53 pm

How does GA expect customers to book flights which come and disappear off schedules every few months?

What a nutty way to run things
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:01 pm

Apologies if these issues have been discussed, but I have two questions:

1. Was some CGK runway situation the reason why the flights needed to stop somewhere along the way? Has this been solved?
2. Are the new A339s going to be able to fly CGK-LON and CGK-AMS nonstop and without handicap? Is this the plan?
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:16 pm

janders wrote:
How does GA expect customers to book flights which come and 7disappear off schedules every few months?

What a nutty way to run things


Absolutely right. Garuda used to be indecisive but now they're just not sure.

Frankly if I was LHR I'd kick them out and let someone else have their slots.

I've lost count now how many times they changed their minds, not good management if you can't make a basic decision. Give it four weeks and it will change again.
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:32 pm

EddieDude wrote:
Is this the plan?


What plan? Isn’t that the whole problem that there is none...
 
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Re: GA LHR and AMS Routes News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:11 am

I think it was about time to update the title a bit, welcome to the GA LHR and AMS Routes News and Discussion Thread
 
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Re: Garuda to close London again, reduce Amsterdam

Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:15 pm

EddieDude wrote:
Apologies if these issues have been discussed, but I have two questions:

1. Was some CGK runway situation the reason why the flights needed to stop somewhere along the way? Has this been solved?
2. Are the new A339s going to be able to fly CGK-LON and CGK-AMS nonstop and without handicap? Is this the plan?


They dropped CGK - AMS
It is now AMS-KNO-DPS
Highly doubt the route will be a success.
 
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Re: GA LHR and AMS Routes News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:37 pm

Is there even enough of a demand for Indonesia-UK flights to sustain a daily direct service?

As a frequent flyer from LHR-SE ASIA myself, I would much prefer to hop from CGK to SIN/KUL and then fly back to the UK from there. Even if it is just 1 1/2 hours shorter flight, it still makes a difference, especially on a red eye.
 
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Re: GA LHR and AMS Routes News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:56 am

GA changed it's mind again and will restart CGK - AMS and drop DPS-KNO-AMS
Starting 19th Februari with the 77W.
Article in dutch: https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/2/airlines/garuda-indonesia-toch-weer-rechtstreeks-naar-jakarta
 
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Re: GA LHR and AMS Routes News and Discussion Thread

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:07 pm

GA will discontinue it's LHR service in early-Feb 2020.
Until they change their mind again off course.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289315/garuda-indonesia-discontinues-london-service-in-early-feb-2020/?highlight=garuda
 
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Re: GA LHR and AMS Routes News and Discussion Thread

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:20 pm

hooverman wrote:
GA will discontinue it's LHR service in early-Feb 2020.
Until they change their mind again off course.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/289315/garuda-indonesia-discontinues-london-service-in-early-feb-2020/?highlight=garuda

Give them a day or two and then they come up with a new route to London
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