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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Sat May 25, 2019 2:09 am

dfw88 wrote:
Jetty wrote:


Making DL at AMS larger than AA at LHR.


This isn't quite true. Here are the totals from May through August of this year:

AA to LHR: Flights = 5,166, Seats = 1,474,484
DL to AMS: Flights = 5,080, Seats = 1,390,860

So they're essentially the same size, though AA to LHR is a bit bigger.


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Sat May 25, 2019 5:20 am

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So the rich BA-AA mix there is between LHR and AA hubs is just the symptom of lack of integration, rather than anything else. AA has its slots and routes and routes while BA has its own.
At least LHR-RDU behaves like DL/KL at AMS. BA/AA haven't decided to switch the sole AA longhaul route over to BA.


Source?

AA and BA swap metal as needed, the example popping into mind is BA taking over TATL frequencies during the retrofit of AA into their new business class.
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Sat May 25, 2019 5:23 am

Antarius wrote:
Aisak wrote:
So the rich BA-AA mix there is between LHR and AA hubs is just the symptom of lack of integration, rather than anything else. AA has its slots and routes and routes while BA has its own.
At least LHR-RDU behaves like DL/KL at AMS. BA/AA haven't decided to switch the sole AA longhaul route over to BA.


Source?

AA and BA swap metal as needed, the example popping into mind is BA taking over TATL frequencies during the retrofit of AA into their new business class.


They do swap when needed. Some examples are MIA, when I believe BA increased service and AA decreased, and AA launching 1x daily PHX-LHR which led to BA downgrading frequencies/aircraft.

There's a rumor that AA would start IAD-LHR to gain catchment from AA fliers at DCA and BA would drop a frequency.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 9:11 am

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763s, A330s, and a lone 777. Todays DL lineup vs NWs lineup at AMS is boring.

Er, in what way?

At no point did NW have more than three different models of aircraft at AMS, and for most of its tenure, only two.

DL currently has 4... how then is that "boring" compared to NW?
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Sat May 25, 2019 1:42 pm

What was the load factor on the TPA-AMS initial flight? What is looking like for the first few months?
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Sat May 25, 2019 4:17 pm

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Wow. With that many crew members overnight, what are the arrangements they have at AMS for them. That's gotta be 200+ crew members we're talking.


I'm also pretty interested in knowing this. Anyone have any knowledge on this?
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 5:37 pm

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What was the load factor on the TPA-AMS initial flight? What is looking like for the first few months?

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Sat May 25, 2019 6:00 pm

NYCVIE wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
Wow. With that many crew members overnight, what are the arrangements they have at AMS for them. That's gotta be 200+ crew members we're talking.


I'm also pretty interested in knowing this. Anyone have any knowledge on this?


I think the general convention is not to identify crew hotels on public BBs, to avoid groupies and stalkers. Determined people can work for it, surely.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 6:29 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
NYCVIE wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
Wow. With that many crew members overnight, what are the arrangements they have at AMS for them. That's gotta be 200+ crew members we're talking.


I'm also pretty interested in knowing this. Anyone have any knowledge on this?


I think the general convention is not to identify crew hotels on public BBs, to avoid groupies and stalkers. Determined people can work for it, surely.


I will tell you they own a hotel in AMS region if I’m not mistaken operated by a chain of hotels.
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Sat May 25, 2019 6:40 pm

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Sat May 25, 2019 6:44 pm

In Sabre, the flight is showing wide-open the next week both directions, which was my sample size. I picked one random date 6.17 as well, and see the same thing. Not sure where the 97% came from, but I also don't know what the over-book percentage is for this flight. MCO-AMS would be a high % as MCO anywhere is higher than almost anywhere besides LAS, not sure what TPA is though.

I do think the 767-300 (for those in the know) is a deterrent on both of these flights. That's a long flight for that pardon my French, crappy plane.

My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2. Returns I am using AirFrance new A380 service CDG-ATL, and on one return KLM 777-300LR AMS-MIA.

That's just me, but I am avoiding the clearly easier nonstop due to subpar equipment, might be a non-rev dream though.
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Sat May 25, 2019 6:58 pm

airbuster wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
NYCVIE wrote:

I'm also pretty interested in knowing this. Anyone have any knowledge on this?


I think the general convention is not to identify crew hotels on public BBs, to avoid groupies and stalkers. Determined people can work for it, surely.


I will tell you they own a hotel in AMS region if I’m not mistaken operated by a chain of hotels.


Wow, must be a party for the crew members on layovers.

NWADTWE16 wrote:
In Sabre, the flight is showing wide-open the next week both directions, which was my sample size. I picked one random date 6.17 as well, and see the same thing. Not sure where the 97% came from, but I also don't know what the over-book percentage is for this flight. MCO-AMS would be a high % as MCO anywhere is higher than almost anywhere besides LAS, not sure what TPA is though.

I do think the 767-300 (for those in the know) is a deterrent on both of these flights. That's a long flight for that pardon my French, crappy plane.

My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2. Returns I am using AirFrance new A380 service CDG-ATL, and on one return KLM 777-300LR AMS-MIA.

That's just me, but I am avoiding the clearly easier nonstop due to subpar equipment, might be a non-rev dream though.


Except the 763 (on DL) isn't a crappy plane? I'm sure you're probably in the minority of people who would literally fly to LGW and self connect on U2 vs just taking DL and connecting in AMS.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 7:56 pm

NWADTWE16 wrote:
In Sabre, the flight is showing wide-open the next week both directions, which was my sample size. I picked one random date 6.17 as well, and see the same thing. Not sure where the 97% came from, but I also don't know what the over-book percentage is for this flight. MCO-AMS would be a high % as MCO anywhere is higher than almost anywhere besides LAS, not sure what TPA is though.

I do think the 767-300 (for those in the know) is a deterrent on both of these flights. That's a long flight for that pardon my French, crappy plane.

My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2. Returns I am using AirFrance new A380 service CDG-ATL, and on one return KLM 777-300LR AMS-MIA.

That's just me, but I am avoiding the clearly easier nonstop due to subpar equipment, might be a non-rev dream though.


Having just been on both a VS 747 and a DL 767...you are in for a rude surprise if you think the 767 is the “crappy” of those two. The 747 interiors are really dated, but the Virgin Holidays crowd don’t seem to mind.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 7:57 pm

NWADTWE16 wrote:
In Sabre, the flight is showing wide-open the next week both directions, which was my sample size. I picked one random date 6.17 as well, and see the same thing. Not sure where the 97% came from, but I also don't know what the over-book percentage is for this flight. MCO-AMS would be a high % as MCO anywhere is higher than almost anywhere besides LAS, not sure what TPA is though.

I do think the 767-300 (for those in the know) is a deterrent on both of these flights. That's a long flight for that pardon my French, crappy plane.

My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2. Returns I am using AirFrance new A380 service CDG-ATL, and on one return KLM 777-300LR AMS-MIA.

That's just me, but I am avoiding the clearly easier nonstop due to subpar equipment, might be a non-rev dream though.


Also, there is no such thing as a 777-300LR
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 11:04 pm

NWADTWE16 wrote:
In Sabre, the flight is showing wide-open the next week both directions, which was my sample size. I picked one random date 6.17 as well, and see the same thing. Not sure where the 97% came from, but I also don't know what the over-book percentage is for this flight. MCO-AMS would be a high % as MCO anywhere is higher than almost anywhere besides LAS, not sure what TPA is though.

I do think the 767-300 (for those in the know) is a deterrent on both of these flights. That's a long flight for that pardon my French, crappy plane.

My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2. Returns I am using AirFrance new A380 service CDG-ATL, and on one return KLM 777-300LR AMS-MIA.

That's just me, but I am avoiding the clearly easier nonstop due to subpar equipment, might be a non-rev dream though.


97% is for the inaugural departure. I certainly believe the next week is wide open. It’s gonna really pick up in June when everyone gets out of school. IND-CDG had crappy loads it’s first month.
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Sat May 25, 2019 11:29 pm

Part of CVG-CDG's success (it's a highly profitable route) is the GE engine parts that get shipped to Toulouse.

You don't have that on a CVG-AMS flight. Right now I'd wager that CVG-CDG would survive even a total dehubbing at CVG. It's not reliant on any sort of feed on the CVG end.
 
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Sat May 25, 2019 11:51 pm

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My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2


When was the last time you rode a DL 763? You're either trolling or ignorant on their interior. I flew to GRU on it which was almost 10 hours and it was way better than my BA 744 on the old interior (and frankly nicer than the 777s too) for 6 hrs. And it's beyond me how anyone would not like a 2x3x2 config unless you're a family of 4 that absolutely does not want to separate.
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Sun May 26, 2019 12:01 am

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That was fun. Wished I could have been on the flight.
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Sun May 26, 2019 12:03 am

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NWADTWE16 wrote:
My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2


When was the last time you rode a DL 763? You're either trolling or ignorant on their interior. I flew to GRU on it which was almost 10 hours and it was way better than my BA 744 on the old interior (and frankly nicer than the 777s too) for 6 hrs. And it's beyond me how anyone would not like a 2x3x2 config unless you're a family of 4 that absolutely does not want to separate.
You are right about that. 2x3/4x2 is why I love flying the 763 and A330. Plus I believe this 763 has DeltaOne with lie flat seats.
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Sun May 26, 2019 12:11 am

FLYKTPA wrote:
NWADTWE16 wrote:
In Sabre, the flight is showing wide-open the next week both directions, which was my sample size. I picked one random date 6.17 as well, and see the same thing. Not sure where the 97% came from, but I also don't know what the over-book percentage is for this flight. MCO-AMS would be a high % as MCO anywhere is higher than almost anywhere besides LAS, not sure what TPA is though.

I do think the 767-300 (for those in the know) is a deterrent on both of these flights. That's a long flight for that pardon my French, crappy plane.

My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2. Returns I am using AirFrance new A380 service CDG-ATL, and on one return KLM 777-300LR AMS-MIA.

That's just me, but I am avoiding the clearly easier nonstop due to subpar equipment, might be a non-rev dream though.


97% is for the inaugural departure. I certainly believe the next week is wide open. It’s gonna really pick up in June when everyone gets out of school. IND-CDG had crappy loads it’s first month.


1. IND-CDG and TPA-AMS are not very comparable, better choice would have been MCO-AMS and TPA-AMS:
2. IND-CDG operated for a week in May, then the next month LFs were at 92%, May LFs on IND-CDG are also impacted by a lack of outbound travel for Indy 500 weekend(memorial day)

WWads wrote:
Right now I'd wager that CVG-CDG would survive even a total dehubbing at CVG. It's not reliant on any sort of feed on the CVG end.


Is this supposed to be surprising? That is what DL does nowadays, DL has plenty of TATL routes that aren't reliant on feed from the US end: RDU-CDG, PDX-AMS, MCO-AMS, IND-CDG, and any other non-hub TATL flight
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Sun May 26, 2019 12:13 am

NWADTWE16 wrote:
In Sabre, the flight is showing wide-open the next week both directions, which was my sample size. I picked one random date 6.17 as well, and see the same thing. Not sure where the 97% came from, but I also don't know what the over-book percentage is for this flight. MCO-AMS would be a high % as MCO anywhere is higher than almost anywhere besides LAS, not sure what TPA is though.

I do think the 767-300 (for those in the know) is a deterrent on both of these flights. That's a long flight for that pardon my French, crappy plane.

My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2. Returns I am using AirFrance new A380 service CDG-ATL, and on one return KLM 777-300LR AMS-MIA.

That's just me, but I am avoiding the clearly easier nonstop due to subpar equipment, might be a non-rev dream though.



I'd agree with the other comments. I flew the DL 767-300 last month from ATL-SCL and it was in no way a "crappy plane." When was the last time you were on one?
 
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I have logged 6 767 300 flights in the past 2 years, they were not updated, though they were domestic legs, the planes were positioning to international flights, so.... there you have it. Of course having the option of being on a 2 row versus a 3 row is great, that's why the upper deck of the A380 (if your going cheap) DUO section is a steal, but I find the seats on DL 763 to feel hard as heck and not be wide enough for any comfort beyond maybe 2 hours.

Premium Econ on both VS (which can be upper deck bubble, and is beautiful so not sure what the gripe is) and AF is not that expensive over coach and is comparable to a first class experience. I have logged 2 VS 744 flights in the same period, for those keeping track.

I know many of you are seriously negative people, I've experienced more than my fare share from you all, so this comes as no surprise, but again, as with all my posts, IT IS MY OPINION, and I am not alone.

and to Deltalaw (ROFL) 777-300Er, so horribly off yes? you must be a pleasant one
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Sun May 26, 2019 2:27 am

Midwestindy wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
NWADTWE16 wrote:
In Sabre, the flight is showing wide-open the next week both directions, which was my sample size. I picked one random date 6.17 as well, and see the same thing. Not sure where the 97% came from, but I also don't know what the over-book percentage is for this flight. MCO-AMS would be a high % as MCO anywhere is higher than almost anywhere besides LAS, not sure what TPA is though.

I do think the 767-300 (for those in the know) is a deterrent on both of these flights. That's a long flight for that pardon my French, crappy plane.

My two Europe trips this year will be utilizing the amazing services of VS 744 MCO-LGW from there I can get anywhere on U2. Returns I am using AirFrance new A380 service CDG-ATL, and on one return KLM 777-300LR AMS-MIA.

That's just me, but I am avoiding the clearly easier nonstop due to subpar equipment, might be a non-rev dream though.


97% is for the inaugural departure. I certainly believe the next week is wide open. It’s gonna really pick up in June when everyone gets out of school. IND-CDG had crappy loads it’s first month.


1. IND-CDG and TPA-AMS are not very comparable, better choice would have been MCO-AMS and TPA-AMS:
2. IND-CDG operated for a week in May, then the next month LFs were at 92%, May LFs on IND-CDG are also impacted by a lack of outbound travel for Indy 500 weekend(memorial day)

WWads wrote:
Right now I'd wager that CVG-CDG would survive even a total dehubbing at CVG. It's not reliant on any sort of feed on the CVG end.


Is this supposed to be surprising? That is what DL does nowadays, DL has plenty of TATL routes that aren't reliant on feed from the US end: RDU-CDG, PDX-AMS, MCO-AMS, IND-CDG, and any other non-hub TATL flight


No it's not, but your unnecessary snark also isn't surprising.
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 2:43 am

NWADTWE16 wrote:
I have logged 6 767 300 flights in the past 2 years, they were not updated, though they were domestic legs, the planes were positioning to international flights, so.... there you have it. Of course having the option of being on a 2 row versus a 3 row is great, that's why the upper deck of the A380 (if your going cheap) DUO section is a steal, but I find the seats on DL 763 to feel hard as heck and not be wide enough for any comfort beyond maybe 2 hours.

Premium Econ on both VS (which can be upper deck bubble, and is beautiful so not sure what the gripe is) and AF is not that expensive over coach and is comparable to a first class experience. I have logged 2 VS 744 flights in the same period, for those keeping track.

I know many of you are seriously negative people, I've experienced more than my fare share from you all, so this comes as no surprise, but again, as with all my posts, IT IS MY OPINION, and I am not alone.

and to Deltalaw (ROFL) 777-300Er, so horribly off yes? you must be a pleasant one
"Also, there is no such thing as a 777-300LR"

https://seatguru.com/airlines/KLM/KLM_B ... 00ER_A.php


In the last year and a half I as well have done 6 legs on the 767-300 internationally and really have no issue with the aircraft (And I am a guy with a lot of issues LOL). It's much better than a domestic 757 or 739. It's been a while but the 764 was way worse than the 763 as far as legroom.
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Sun May 26, 2019 2:50 am

gatibosgru wrote:
dfw88 wrote:
Jetty wrote:


Making DL at AMS larger than AA at LHR.


This isn't quite true. Here are the totals from May through August of this year:

AA to LHR: Flights = 5,166, Seats = 1,474,484
DL to AMS: Flights = 5,080, Seats = 1,390,860

So they're essentially the same size, though AA to LHR is a bit bigger.


Can I use your crystal ball? :duck:


Sorry. I guess I should have specified that this was seats in the market and flights in the schedule, not flights flown or seats sold. So yes, this is for May through August of this year.
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 3:51 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
NYCVIE wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
Wow. With that many crew members overnight, what are the arrangements they have at AMS for them. That's gotta be 200+ crew members we're talking.


I'm also pretty interested in knowing this. Anyone have any knowledge on this?


I think the general convention is not to identify crew hotels on public BBs, to avoid groupies and stalkers. Determined people can work for it, surely.



Absolutely, this is a really bad idea, there may well be individuals trolling for this
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Sun May 26, 2019 5:28 am

Max Q wrote:
Does Delta have many non hub originating international routes these days?


PDX-LHR comes to mind.

I assume you are including AMS and CDG as hubs so that means a number of others like IND-CDG are hub originating.
 
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BoeingGuy wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Does Delta have many non hub originating international routes these days?


PDX-LHR comes to mind.

I assume you are including AMS and CDG as hubs so that means a number of others like IND-CDG are hub originating.


Also the HNL-Asia routes, plus the routes that go to CUN
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Sun May 26, 2019 5:37 pm

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TC957 wrote:
A hypothetical return flight (based on DL135 +12h) would leave AMS at 2220, and arrive to DTW at about 0100. That might be attractive to a DTW resident trying to squeeze every minute of daylight from their European vacation.


I do not really think so...
 
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I find it amazing that three daily flights from DTW works. Seems like a lot of capacity to me, but both DTW and AMS are connection machines (in my opinion).
 
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DELTA launches TPA-AMS today, the 21st daily DL widebody arrival into AMS:

AMS - DL Arrivals Summer 2019 - plus scheduled aircraft for 23/24 May 2019:

- 05.50 DL 256 Boston/General Edward Lawrence Logan (BOS / KBOS) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N821NW
- 05.55 DL 132 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A350-900 Delta Air Lines N511DN
- 05.55 DL 46 New York/John F Kennedy (JFK / KJFK) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N180DN
- 05.55 DL 70 Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL / KATL) BOEING 777-200 Delta Air Lines N864DA
- 07.50 DL 258 Boston/General Edward Lawrence Logan (BOS / KBOS) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N1604R
- 08.00 DL 134 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N824NW
- 08.05 DL 72 Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL / KATL) Boeing 777-200 Long Range Delta Air Lines N708DN
- 08.15 DL 160 Minneapolis-St Paul -Wold-Chamberlain (MSP / KMSP) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N806NW
- 08.15 DL 178 Portland (PDX / KPDX) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N818NW
- 08.35 DL 142 Seattle Tacoma (SEA / KSEA) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N803NW
- 08.35 DL 56 Salt Lake City (SLC / KSLC) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N1602
- 09.15 DL 48 New York/John F Kennedy (JFK / KJFK) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N828NW
- 10.25 DL 136 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N811NW
- 10.45 DL 74 Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL / KATL) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N808NW
- 10.50 DL 162 Minneapolis-St Paul -Wold-Chamberlain (MSP / KMSP) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N816NW
- 10.50 DL 76 Tampa (TPA / KTPA) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N178DZ = NEW ROUTE
- 12.35 DL 138 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N815NW
- 12.45 DL 410 Orlando (MCO / KMCO) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N191DN
- 13.00 DL 144 Seattle Tacoma (SEA / KSEA) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N172DZ
- 13.00 DL 164 Minneapolis-St Paul -Wold-Chamberlain (MSP / KMSP) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N830NW
- 14.55 DL 78 Los Angeles (LAX / KLAX) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N830NW


Missing from this list are Austin, San Francisco, Denver, Dallas, Miami and Houston [why is Delta avoiding these places???)
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Sun May 26, 2019 6:29 pm

mcg wrote:
I find it amazing that three daily flights from DTW works. Seems like a lot of capacity to me, but both DTW and AMS are connection machines (in my opinion).


Actually there is 4
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Sun May 26, 2019 6:30 pm

Would love to see a DEN-AMS flight at some point, whether it’s on DL or KL. Quite an impressive operation to AMS on DL’s part.

I flew CDG-CVG 10 years ago on DL and loved how quick I made it through customs with it being the only international arrival.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Sun May 26, 2019 6:46 pm

[quote=

Missing from this list are Austin, San Francisco, Denver, Dallas, Miami and Houston [why is Delta avoiding these places???)[/quote]

AUS is the only one I could see happening.

Delta likes making money. Those cities sans Austin are hubs of other airlines and already offer tons of low fares via one-stops. SF/Denver/Houston are star alliance cities, Dallas and Miami are one world dominated. Delta likes making money on less competitive markets with lower hanging fruit.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Sun May 26, 2019 6:58 pm

edealinfo wrote:
factsonly wrote:
DELTA launches TPA-AMS today, the 21st daily DL widebody arrival into AMS:

AMS - DL Arrivals Summer 2019 - plus scheduled aircraft for 23/24 May 2019:

- 05.50 DL 256 Boston/General Edward Lawrence Logan (BOS / KBOS) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N821NW
- 05.55 DL 132 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A350-900 Delta Air Lines N511DN
- 05.55 DL 46 New York/John F Kennedy (JFK / KJFK) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N180DN
- 05.55 DL 70 Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL / KATL) BOEING 777-200 Delta Air Lines N864DA
- 07.50 DL 258 Boston/General Edward Lawrence Logan (BOS / KBOS) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N1604R
- 08.00 DL 134 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N824NW
- 08.05 DL 72 Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL / KATL) Boeing 777-200 Long Range Delta Air Lines N708DN
- 08.15 DL 160 Minneapolis-St Paul -Wold-Chamberlain (MSP / KMSP) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N806NW
- 08.15 DL 178 Portland (PDX / KPDX) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N818NW
- 08.35 DL 142 Seattle Tacoma (SEA / KSEA) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N803NW
- 08.35 DL 56 Salt Lake City (SLC / KSLC) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N1602
- 09.15 DL 48 New York/John F Kennedy (JFK / KJFK) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N828NW
- 10.25 DL 136 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N811NW
- 10.45 DL 74 Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL / KATL) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N808NW
- 10.50 DL 162 Minneapolis-St Paul -Wold-Chamberlain (MSP / KMSP) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N816NW
- 10.50 DL 76 Tampa (TPA / KTPA) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N178DZ = NEW ROUTE
- 12.35 DL 138 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N815NW
- 12.45 DL 410 Orlando (MCO / KMCO) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N191DN
- 13.00 DL 144 Seattle Tacoma (SEA / KSEA) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N172DZ
- 13.00 DL 164 Minneapolis-St Paul -Wold-Chamberlain (MSP / KMSP) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N830NW
- 14.55 DL 78 Los Angeles (LAX / KLAX) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N830NW


Missing from this list are Austin, San Francisco, Denver, Dallas, Miami and Houston [why is Delta avoiding these places???)


Reason why DL is ‘ignoring’ SFO, IAH and MIA is that they are already being served by KL. DFW was served by KL from 2008 until 2015 if I read correctly, but was dropped.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Sun May 26, 2019 8:03 pm

mcg wrote:
I find it amazing that three daily flights from DTW works. Seems like a lot of capacity to me, but both DTW and AMS are connection machines (in my opinion).


I fly that route a few times a year ... doing it again in a few weeks ... and the planes are always packed.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Sun May 26, 2019 8:20 pm

twicearound wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.


Not sure what you mean, KLM flies on their own metal to BOS, ATL, MSP, NYC, SLC, LAX. All DL hubs.


They just think DL/KLM fly 1x/day to all spokes, which isn't always the case. DL-KLM swap off or compliment a daily schedule just like DL-AF does.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Sun May 26, 2019 10:49 pm

compensateme wrote:


Nice joke....that place is a hostel. I walk by it all the time, and let's just say the clientele is a bit rough.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Thu May 30, 2019 4:15 pm

Doing a spot check on the TPA - AMS flight, 1 week after its launch.

For DL 76, TPA - AMS, Thursday 05/30/19:
15/26 Delta One
29/29 Delta Comfort
169/171 Economy

Pretty good leaving Tampa.

For DL 77, AMS - TPA, Thursday 06/06/19:
17/26 Delta One
15/29 Delta Comfort
64/171

Somewhat of a surprise that TPA - AMS is stronger than AMS - TPA during the start of summer. Spot checking various days, this continues throughout the season.

Before Zurich started, Edelweiss advertised Tampa Bay as a vacation destination from Zurich and stimulated local demand. British Airways has done the same thing in the past. It doesn't seem like this has been done (at least not successfully) for Amsterdam.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Thu May 30, 2019 4:57 pm

Flyingstump wrote:
Doing a spot check on the TPA - AMS flight, 1 week after its launch.

For DL 76, TPA - AMS, Thursday 05/30/19:
15/26 Delta One
29/29 Delta Comfort
169/171 Economy

Pretty good leaving Tampa.

For DL 77, AMS - TPA, Thursday 06/06/19:
17/26 Delta One
15/29 Delta Comfort
64/171

Somewhat of a surprise that TPA - AMS is stronger than AMS - TPA during the start of summer. Spot checking various days, this continues throughout the season.

Before Zurich started, Edelweiss advertised Tampa Bay as a vacation destination from Zurich and stimulated local demand. British Airways has done the same thing in the past. It doesn't seem like this has been done (at least not successfully) for Amsterdam.


Your numbers are off - using seat maps to determine available seats isn't very effective these days.
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Thu May 30, 2019 8:12 pm

compensateme wrote:
Flyingstump wrote:
Doing a spot check on the TPA - AMS flight, 1 week after its launch.

For DL 76, TPA - AMS, Thursday 05/30/19:
15/26 Delta One
29/29 Delta Comfort
169/171 Economy

Pretty good leaving Tampa.

For DL 77, AMS - TPA, Thursday 06/06/19:
17/26 Delta One
15/29 Delta Comfort
64/171

Somewhat of a surprise that TPA - AMS is stronger than AMS - TPA during the start of summer. Spot checking various days, this continues throughout the season.

Before Zurich started, Edelweiss advertised Tampa Bay as a vacation destination from Zurich and stimulated local demand. British Airways has done the same thing in the past. It doesn't seem like this has been done (at least not successfully) for Amsterdam.


Your numbers are off - using seat maps to determine available seats isn't very effective these days.


Do you have the accurate numbers? It'd be great if you could provide them.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Thu May 30, 2019 8:46 pm

compensateme wrote:
Flyingstump wrote:
Doing a spot check on the TPA - AMS flight, 1 week after its launch.

For DL 76, TPA - AMS, Thursday 05/30/19:
15/26 Delta One
29/29 Delta Comfort
169/171 Economy

Pretty good leaving Tampa.

For DL 77, AMS - TPA, Thursday 06/06/19:
17/26 Delta One
15/29 Delta Comfort
64/171

Somewhat of a surprise that TPA - AMS is stronger than AMS - TPA during the start of summer. Spot checking various days, this continues throughout the season.

Before Zurich started, Edelweiss advertised Tampa Bay as a vacation destination from Zurich and stimulated local demand. British Airways has done the same thing in the past. It doesn't seem like this has been done (at least not successfully) for Amsterdam.


Your numbers are off - using seat maps to determine available seats isn't very effective these days.


Seat maps can be better within 1-2 hours of a flight
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Thu May 30, 2019 9:08 pm

edealinfo wrote:
factsonly wrote:
DELTA launches TPA-AMS today, the 21st daily DL widebody arrival into AMS:

Missing from this list are Austin, San Francisco, Denver, Dallas, Miami and Houston [why is Delta avoiding these places???)


Houston is served year to Amsterdam by both KLM and United. San Francisco is served year round to Amsterdam by KLM and seasonally by United. Delta already serves both of those cities, just without their own metal. I am surprised that Miami lacks year round service to Amsterdam as KLM only runs it seasonally.

Just how big is the Denver - Europe market? Does it need another mainline carrier entering the market?
Is the Austin market ready for a 4th European flight?
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Fri May 31, 2019 2:52 am

Flyingstump wrote:
Before Zurich started, Edelweiss advertised Tampa Bay as a vacation destination from Zurich and stimulated local demand. British Airways has done the same thing in the past. It doesn't seem like this has been done (at least not successfully) for Amsterdam.

From what I noticed KLM was already busy advertising Las Vegas as a new destination to Dutch people and spend no time on promoting Tampa.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Fri May 31, 2019 3:21 am

I’ve been in AMS quite a bit this week (city and airport), and have seen plenty of KL advertisement but no mention of the TPA flight. LAS, yes.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Fri May 31, 2019 3:29 am

Glad to see DL hanging onto their Florida crown.

I don't think this route is all O&D. When I lived in St. Petersburg if you wanted to bypass a US hub you were flying BA to London, then shortly after I moved away you could fly BA to London or LH to Frankfurt which is what a lot of friends of mine have done despite London or Frankfurt not being their final destination. Now there is one more gateway beyond LHR and FRA that the Tampa Bay area can utilize.

When you think of it now Tampa Bay residents have an evening departure so you can utilize a full day at work vs taking a half day/full vacation day to connect at another east coast hub. If they take the non-stop back in they can (guessing) deal with less surly immigration and customs agents than the straight angry agents at the large hubs (IAD, ORD, MIA). Also personally for me I would hop on a long flight from the get go on the way out to connect to a short flight, then do the opposite on the return so this is perfect for that type of traveler.

I doubt this is much O&D - its just capturing a market that has gotten to the point they are sick of making an ATL/MIA/CLT connection. I am pretty certain the traffic has been there, it has just been flowing over all the East Coast hubs and BA and LH have not been able to accommodate.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Fri May 31, 2019 3:56 am

pezzy669 wrote:
I doubt this is much O&D - its just capturing a market that has gotten to the point they are sick of making an ATL/MIA/CLT connection. I am pretty certain the traffic has been there, it has just been flowing over all the East Coast hubs and BA and LH have not been able to accommodate.

There’s no doubt there isn’t much O&D, but besides offering a different connection point AMS also offers 1 stop instead of 2 stops to dozens of destinations in Europe. That how many US flights can work to AMS.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:34 pm

DL's AMS route is now loaded and returns April 1, 2020 and comes back as daily.
 
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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:36 pm

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
DL's AMS route is now loaded and returns April 1, 2020 and comes back as daily.


Don't read into that at all, every TATL flight is listed as daily in April, DL likes to list all of those routes as daily until 4-5 months before they are about to start.
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