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DL launches TPA-AMS, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 6:48 pm
by factsonly
DELTA launches TPA-AMS today, the 21st daily DL widebody arrival into AMS:

AMS - DL Arrivals Summer 2019 - plus scheduled aircraft for 23/24 May 2019:

- 05.50 DL 256 Boston/General Edward Lawrence Logan (BOS / KBOS) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N821NW
- 05.55 DL 132 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A350-900 Delta Air Lines N511DN
- 05.55 DL 46 New York/John F Kennedy (JFK / KJFK) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N180DN
- 05.55 DL 70 Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL / KATL) BOEING 777-200 Delta Air Lines N864DA
- 07.50 DL 258 Boston/General Edward Lawrence Logan (BOS / KBOS) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N1604R
- 08.00 DL 134 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N824NW
- 08.05 DL 72 Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL / KATL) Boeing 777-200 Long Range Delta Air Lines N708DN
- 08.15 DL 160 Minneapolis-St Paul -Wold-Chamberlain (MSP / KMSP) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N806NW
- 08.15 DL 178 Portland (PDX / KPDX) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N818NW
- 08.35 DL 142 Seattle Tacoma (SEA / KSEA) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N803NW
- 08.35 DL 56 Salt Lake City (SLC / KSLC) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N1602
- 09.15 DL 48 New York/John F Kennedy (JFK / KJFK) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N828NW
- 10.25 DL 136 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N811NW
- 10.45 DL 74 Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta (ATL / KATL) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N808NW
- 10.50 DL 162 Minneapolis-St Paul -Wold-Chamberlain (MSP / KMSP) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N816NW
- 10.50 DL 76 Tampa (TPA / KTPA) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N178DZ = NEW ROUTE
- 12.35 DL 138 Detroit Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N815NW
- 12.45 DL 410 Orlando (MCO / KMCO) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N191DN
- 13.00 DL 144 Seattle Tacoma (SEA / KSEA) Boeing 767-300 winglet Delta Air Lines N172DZ
- 13.00 DL 164 Minneapolis-St Paul -Wold-Chamberlain (MSP / KMSP) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N830NW
- 14.55 DL 78 Los Angeles (LAX / KLAX) AIRBUS A330-300 Delta Air Lines N830NW

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:39 pm
by atlflyer
Are you going to be on the flight?

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:40 pm
by Murdoughnut
atlflyer wrote:
Are you going to be on the flight?


I am.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 8:16 pm
by sspontak
Hopefully the route does well and it goes year round instead of seasonal. Have a great flight.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:02 pm
by Oilman
Will the AMS-TPA aircraft arrive into Concourse F and then be towed over to Concourse E for departure?

Have a good flight!

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:16 pm
by 727LOVER
How many routes to CDG does DL operate?

Oilman wrote:
Will the AMS-TPA aircraft arrive into Concourse F and then be towed over to Concourse E for departure?

Have a good flight!

AIRSIDE F ... AIRSIDE E

sorry...pet peeve of mine

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:20 pm
by Murdoughnut
Oilman wrote:
Will the AMS-TPA aircraft arrive into Concourse F and then be towed over to Concourse E for departure?

Have a good flight!


Yes - and thanks!

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:20 pm
by x1234
Why do certain cities only have CDG (CVG, IND & RDU) while others have AMS!? Is it related to the traffic mixture (The Dutch like to go to Florida, French not so much...). While they're at it they should have launched RDU-AMS also as there's actual business traffic in RDU due to tech.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:24 pm
by TC957
Looks like N830NW is doing both the DL 164 and the DL 78 !
How come DL don't operate any daylight east coast - AMS flights ?

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:47 pm
by usdcaguy
x1234 wrote:
Why do certain cities only have CDG (CVG, IND & RDU) while others have AMS!? Is it related to the traffic mixture (The Dutch like to go to Florida, French not so much...). While they're at it they should have launched RDU-AMS also as there's actual business traffic in RDU due to tech.


Companies from CVG, RDU and IND have a lot of business specifically in Paris while others with flights to AMS have more onward connections. CDG has plenty of onward connections of course, but business travelers prefer to connect over AMS.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:54 pm
by redzeppelin
TC957 wrote:
Looks like N830NW is doing both the DL 164 and the DL 78 !
How come DL don't operate any daylight east coast - AMS flights ?


Just a guess, but daylight eastbound flights don't work well for connections. They will either leave too early from the USA, arrive too late to AMS, or both. Take the schedule of DL134 for example, and adjust the schedule by 12 hours. The typical schedule is 1800 departure from DTW and 0800 arrival to AMS. A daylight version would leave DTW at 0600 (too early for inbound connections) and arrive in AMS at 2000 (too late for many onward connections). A hypothetical return flight (based on DL135 +12h) would leave AMS at 2220, and arrive to DTW at about 0100. That might be attractive to a DTW resident trying to squeeze every minute of daylight from their European vacation, but doesn't work for onward connections. If you keep the plane overnight at AMS then the aircraft utilization takes a big hit.

The daylight eastbound concept can work for specific high-demand O&D routes, but not very well for routes that rely on connections.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 9:57 pm
by Beechtobus
Come on DL, now Denver needs some AMS love!!

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:08 pm
by Lexy
Beechtobus wrote:
Come on DL, now Denver needs some AMS love!!



You have UA.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:10 pm
by n2dru
x1234 wrote:
Why do certain cities only have CDG (CVG, IND & RDU) while others have AMS!? Is it related to the traffic mixture (The Dutch like to go to Florida, French not so much...). While they're at it they should have launched RDU-AMS also as there's actual business traffic in RDU due to tech.


The French go to Florida but Miami is the bigger destination. Fashion/Arts business and leisure

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:13 pm
by compensateme
Cincinnati (CVG) is notably absent from this list. More proof DL is missing out by not having any 787-8 in its fleet.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:44 pm
by SuseJ772
I really hope this lasts. I fear it won’t. But here’s hoping.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 10:52 pm
by AWACSooner
compensateme wrote:
Cincinnati (CVG) is notably absent from this list. More proof DL is missing out by not having any 787-8 in its fleet.

That order cancelation has always been a sore spot for me with DL...oh well. We move on.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 11:01 pm
by intotheair
Beechtobus wrote:
Come on DL, now Denver needs some AMS love!!


I’d love to see it, but launching a flight like that out of a competitor’s hub would be a very bold and risky move.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 11:05 pm
by MIflyer12
compensateme wrote:
Cincinnati (CVG) is notably absent from this list. More proof DL is missing out by not having any 787-8 in its fleet.


You wouldn't have CVG-AMS even with 787-8s in the fleet. CVG needs to be happy with CVG-CDG, which offers most of the major connectivity of AMS.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 11:12 pm
by Fargo
intotheair wrote:
Beechtobus wrote:
Come on DL, now Denver needs some AMS love!!


I’d love to see it, but launching a flight like that out of a competitor’s hub would be a very bold and risky move.


It would probably be on KL metal. I'm actually genuinely surprised KL doesn't fly DEN-AMS, but it's probably a slot and plane issue.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:15 am
by phatfarmlines
Oilman wrote:
Will the AMS-TPA aircraft arrive into Concourse F and then be towed over to Concourse E for departure?

Have a good flight!


Tonight's (5/23) flight is turning from ATL, so no international arrival. Tonight's flight to AMS is leaving from gate E64. Checking FR24, looks like FI885 would arrive into Airside F and leave from Airside E, so I'd imagine this will be a similar setup for DL. Likewise, the Saturday-only CUN flight also operated by DL does this same arraignment.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:53 am
by factsonly

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:44 am
by factsonly
Here is the schedule for B763 N178DZ:

25 May 2019 DL145 Amsterdam (AMS) - Seattle (SEA)
24 May 2019 DL76 Tampa (TPA) - Amsterdam (AMS)
24 May 2019 DL77 Amsterdam (AMS) - Tampa (TPA)
23 May 2019 DL76 Tampa (TPA) - Amsterdam (AMS)
23 May 2019 DL8803 Atlanta (ATL) - Tampa (TPA)
22 May 2019 DL2200 Orlando (MCO) - Atlanta (ATL)
21 May 2019 DL411 Amsterdam (AMS) - Orlando (MCO)
20 May 2019 DL56 Salt Lake City (SLC) - Amsterdam (AMS)
20 May 2019 DL221 Paris (CDG) - Salt Lake City (SLC)
19 May 2019 DL404 Boston (BOS) - Paris (CDG)
19 May 2019 DL257 Amsterdam (AMS) - Boston (BOS)
18 May 2019 DL144 Seattle (SEA) - Amsterdam (AMS)
18 May 2019 DL145 Amsterdam (AMS) - Seattle (SEA)
17 May 2019 DL410 Orlando (MCO) - Amsterdam (AMS)
17 May 2019 DL629 Atlanta (ATL) - Orlando (MCO)

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 7:17 am
by bhxalex
compensateme wrote:
Cincinnati (CVG) is notably absent from this list. More proof DL is missing out by not having any 787-8 in its fleet.


It's served from CDG, and the 763 is more than adequate. The lack of 787s in DLs fleet is irrelevant here.

In 10 years time it might be a relevant statement though.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:59 am
by Ionosphere
Delta over the years usually has about 20 flights a day in summer at AMS.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:06 pm
by upperdeckfan
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:14 pm
by MIflyer12
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.


DL has a negotiated balance of flying with JV partners AF/KL. Tell Delta pilots they ought to do less flying and KL more.

The absence of a JV would just mean fewer flights AMS - U.S., not more.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:24 pm
by twicearound
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.


Not sure what you mean, KLM flies on their own metal to BOS, ATL, MSP, NYC, SLC, LAX. All DL hubs.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:40 pm
by IAmGaroott
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Murdoughnut wrote:
Oilman wrote:
Will the AMS-TPA aircraft arrive into Concourse F and then be towed over to Concourse E for departure?

Have a good flight!


Yes - and thanks!


I wonder if this will continue when Airside D (the future international terminal) opens. I guess it’s easier to move one aircraft than multiple connecting Delta pax out and back through security.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:45 pm
by Arion640
How many services is AA running into LHR each day by comparison?

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:48 pm
by DL747400
intotheair wrote:
I’d love to see it, but launching a flight like that out of a competitor’s hub would be a very bold and risky move.


You mean like AF (re)launching DFW?

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 12:50 pm
by TTailedTiger
Arion640 wrote:
How many services is AA running into LHR each day by comparison?


I believe RDU is their only non-hub flight to LHR.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 1:01 pm
by SeanM1997
Arion640 wrote:
How many services is AA running into LHR each day by comparison?


Its worth remembering, in terms of Transatlantic traffic, the AA-BA Joint Venture is the largest from one airport (LHR)

American Airlines' own flights total 20 a day in Summer 2019 across

LHR Arrivals:
0620 - New York JFK - B777
0635 - Raleigh Durham RDU - B777
0650 - Chicago O'Hare ORD - B787
0655 - Dallas Fort Worth DFW - B777
0740 - New York JFK - B777
0745 - Philadelphia PHL - A330
0800 - Charlotte CLT - A330
0810 - Dallas Fort Worth DFW - B777
0900 - Miami MIA - B777
0905 - Chicago O'Hare ORD - B787
0925 - Phoenix Sky Harbor PHX - B777
1020 - Philadelphia PHL - A330
1030 - Dallas Fort Worth DFW - B777
1050 - New York JFK - B777
1105 - Charlotte CLT - A330
1205 - Los Angeles LAX - B777
1245 - Dallas Fort Worth DFW - B777
1425 - Los Angeles LAX - B777
2210 - New York JFK - B777
2245 - Chicago O'Hare ORD - B787

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:34 pm
by Jetty
SeanM1997 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
How many services is AA running into LHR each day by comparison?


Its worth remembering, in terms of Transatlantic traffic, the AA-BA Joint Venture is the largest from one airport (LHR)

American Airlines' own flights total 20 a day in Summer 2019 across

Making DL at AMS larger than AA at LHR. Remarkable how BA seems to do most flying from LHR and DL from AMS vis a vis their joint venture partners, while all JV's have some form of equality clause between the partners on both side of the Atlantic. Maybe the balance does exist when taking the other European partners in account.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 2:42 pm
by chepos
SeanM1997 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
How many services is AA running into LHR each day by comparison?


Its worth remembering, in terms of Transatlantic traffic, the AA-BA Joint Venture is the largest from one airport (LHR)

American Airlines' own flights total 20 a day in Summer 2019 across

LHR Arrivals:
0620 - New York JFK - B777
0635 - Raleigh Durham RDU - B777
0650 - Chicago O'Hare ORD - B787
0655 - Dallas Fort Worth DFW - B777
0740 - New York JFK - B777
0745 - Philadelphia PHL - A330
0800 - Charlotte CLT - A330
0810 - Dallas Fort Worth DFW - B777
0900 - Miami MIA - B777
0905 - Chicago O'Hare ORD - B787
0925 - Phoenix Sky Harbor PHX - B777
1020 - Philadelphia PHL - A330
1030 - Dallas Fort Worth DFW - B777
1050 - New York JFK - B777
1105 - Charlotte CLT - A330
1205 - Los Angeles LAX - B777
1245 - Dallas Fort Worth DFW - B777
1425 - Los Angeles LAX - B777
2210 - New York JFK - B777
2245 - Chicago O'Hare ORD - B787


AA 98 787 ORD LHR, 1305 arrival is missing from that list


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Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:13 pm
by Aisak
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.


You have to consider that the AMS-USA JV formed between KLM and NWA dates way further into the past compared to the Star (LH Group+United+AirCanada) or the Oneworld (IB-BA-AA +AY+RJ).

I still think the NW/KLM "alliance" developed a deeper relationship between the two, than any of the current multi-way Atlantic JVs.

Europeans could not join NW WorldPerks while NorthAmericans couldn't join KLK Flying Dutchman, so imagine how low in NW/KLM priorities was to let passengers choose the hard/soft product of each airline.

As other have explained above, in other posts, and i would presume, aslo below, the "flying quota" has to be maintain within the JV. So cretain number of ASK/M have to be flown by KLM planes and staff and viceversa for Delta.

These kind of JV alliances usually set that any AMS-USA can be flown by Delta or KLM, choosing the operator with the best aircraft performance for that given route. But there are other cost factor to take into account.

If TPA is already served by DL from ATL,JFK,BOS,DTW, etc... and DL has already a sizeable operation of (let's say) 20 flights, it might make more sense to add just 1 flight from AMS and upgrade the contracts to 21 flights, than let KLM start the route and open up a new station from scratch for just 1 daily flight.

That might be the main reason why we see so many DL non-hub "exotic destinations from AMS" instead of being flown by KLM.

For AA to reach that level of co-operation, while maintaining the % of cuota in the UK-US, they would have to drop some LHR services from LAX, MIA, ORD, DFW, PHL, CLT, PHX or God forbid... JFK!!!!

So the rich BA-AA mix there is between LHR and AA hubs is just the symptom of lack of integration, rather than anything else. AA has its slots and routes and routes while BA has its own.
At least LHR-RDU behaves like DL/KL at AMS. BA/AA haven't decided to switch the sole AA longhaul route over to BA.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:19 pm
by TWA772LR
763s, A330s, and a lone 777. Todays DL lineup vs NWs lineup at AMS is boring.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:08 pm
by twicearound
TWA772LR wrote:
763s, A330s, and a lone 777. Todays DL lineup vs NWs lineup at AMS is boring.

Correction:
2 777
1 A350

So 4 Different AC types. Much more varied than NW. At the time of the merger the mix was A330/ 744 and an occasional 757. Prior to 2003 it was all DC10/ 742

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 4:28 pm
by dfw88
Jetty wrote:


Making DL at AMS larger than AA at LHR.


This isn't quite true. Here are the totals from May through August of this year:

AA to LHR: Flights = 5,166, Seats = 1,474,484
DL to AMS: Flights = 5,080, Seats = 1,390,860

So they're essentially the same size, though AA to LHR is a bit bigger.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:09 pm
by klm617
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.


Exactly and Detroit is a big whole when it comes to KLM service into the Delta hubs.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 5:12 pm
by klm617
twicearound wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.


Not sure what you mean, KLM flies on their own metal to BOS, ATL, MSP, NYC, SLC, LAX. All DL hubs.


Yes but KLM is blocked from serving Detroit for some odd reason.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 6:14 pm
by zuckie13
Wow. With that many crew members overnight, what are the arrangements they have at AMS for them. That's gotta be 200+ crew members we're talking.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 8:37 pm
by hooverman
dfw88 wrote:
Jetty wrote:


Making DL at AMS larger than AA at LHR.


This isn't quite true. Here are the totals from May through August of this year:

AA to LHR: Flights = 5,166, Seats = 1,474,484
DL to AMS: Flights = 5,080, Seats = 1,390,860

So they're essentially the same size, though AA to LHR is a bit bigger.


It’s about total flights a day not about seats.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:09 pm
by Arion640
dfw88 wrote:
Jetty wrote:


Making DL at AMS larger than AA at LHR.


This isn't quite true. Here are the totals from May through August of this year:

AA to LHR: Flights = 5,166, Seats = 1,474,484
DL to AMS: Flights = 5,080, Seats = 1,390,860

So they're essentially the same size, though AA to LHR is a bit bigger.


Be interesting see UA to FRA in comparison too.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 9:27 pm
by upperdeckfan
twicearound wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.


Not sure what you mean, KLM flies on their own metal to BOS, ATL, MSP, NYC, SLC, LAX. All DL hubs.


What I meant was quite clear, will say it again just in case:

There are much fewer flights on KL metal to DL hubs. For example only one out of eight dailies to ATL + DTW is on KL metal

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 10:21 pm
by bhxalex
Arion640 wrote:
dfw88 wrote:
Jetty wrote:


Making DL at AMS larger than AA at LHR.


This isn't quite true. Here are the totals from May through August of this year:

AA to LHR: Flights = 5,166, Seats = 1,474,484
DL to AMS: Flights = 5,080, Seats = 1,390,860

So they're essentially the same size, though AA to LHR is a bit bigger.


Be interesting see UA to FRA in comparison too.


UA has a significantly larger operation at LHR than FRA. Something like 17 v 10 daily flights off the top of my head.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 10:50 pm
by NWADTWE16
Aisak wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.



If TPA is already served by DL from ATL,JFK,BOS,DTW, etc... and DL has already a sizeable operation of (let's say) 20 flights, it might make more sense to add just 1 flight from AMS and upgrade the contracts to 21 flights, than let KLM start the route and open up a new station from scratch for just 1 daily flight.

That might be the main reason why we see so many DL non-hub "exotic destinations from AMS" instead of being flown by KLM.



Why would KLM or AirFrance have to "open up a new station from scratch" when DL handles all operations, just like KLM/AirFRance handle all DL ops on the other side?

This is not a proper theory

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:12 am
by Max Q
Does Delta have many non hub originating international routes these days?

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:58 am
by MAH4546
klm617 wrote:
twicearound wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.


Not sure what you mean, KLM flies on their own metal to BOS, ATL, MSP, NYC, SLC, LAX. All DL hubs.


Yes but KLM is blocked from serving Detroit for some odd reason.


No, KLM is not blocked from flying to Detroit.

Re: DL launches TPA-AMS today, its 21st service to AMS

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 1:02 am
by jbs2886
klm617 wrote:
twicearound wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
This is a shame for KL pax base that don't have options -or have very few - to fly on KL metal to DL hubs.

There must be people who prefer KL hard and soft product over DL's.

LH and BA do split hub-to-hub flights with UA and AA so customers can choose whatever fits better for them.


Not sure what you mean, KLM flies on their own metal to BOS, ATL, MSP, NYC, SLC, LAX. All DL hubs.


Provide a source they are “blocked”
Yes but KLM is blocked from serving Detroit for some odd reason.