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Erau82
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Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 12:45 am

Just reported by Miami Channel 10 - A Citation flew past its destination of FXE by 30 miles and crashes into the Atlantic Ocean.

Cessna business jet crashes in ocean east of Fort Lauderdale
https://www.local10.com/news/local/fort ... lauderdale
 
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Erau82
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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 12:46 am

Dropped a zero - over flew by 300 miles.
 
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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 1:09 am

Second Citation crash in the US this week: https://www.local10.com/news/national/2 ... dianapolis

Only the pilot onboard meaning almost certainly they were dead before the plane ever crashed. Either it was a decompression/hypoxia or he/she died of natural causes.
 
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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 1:19 am

Flightaware track log shows that N832R departed KALN at 1:36PM CDT, and remained at FL390 when turning east to KFLL at 4:47PM EDT, then continuing for about an hour until 5:46 EDT when air speed dropped from 413 to 295 on the last entry.

Not a pilot, but would autopilot on a C560 make a near 90 degree turn at altitude without descending?

Sounds like pilot hypoxia by loss of cabin pressure or some medical incapacitation.
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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 1:26 am

Well, it certainly could make a 90 degree turn, if the flt plan or pilot called for it.

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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 1:57 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Well, it certainly could make a 90 degree turn, if the flt plan or pilot called for it.

No.... a flight plan is just that......a plan.... it is telling the controlling agency what your “plan” is. The plane is flown by pilots who can program a plane or fly it them self’s . The plane cannot turn based what you wrote on a piece of paper. You have to command the autopilot or couple it to the flight management system or hand fly it to cause it to turn. I am not making fun of you as it is clear you are not a pilot. I am just pointing out a flight plan is just a plan. What you program into the plane or hand fly controls the plane.

FYI , We don’t need flight plans in the US to fly VFR, so many planes fly without a “flight plan”. Heck, in 44 years of flying I think I filed 3 total VFR flight plans..

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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 1:59 am

Looks like it had departed earlier in the day from ALN and made it to about 16,000’ before turning back. Sad, I would suspect pressurization problems.
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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 2:06 am

I didn’t write anything after the first sentence. By “flight plan...called for it”, I clearly meant the entered FMS flight plan which, if coupled to the autopilot, could direct a 90 degree change in course without lose of KIAS. Heck, if the entered flt plan has a course reversal, it’ll fly it if the pilot ignores the scratchpad message. 13,500 hours over 40 years of flying, military, airline and corporate. I’m guessing pilot incapacity.

Why would anyone think a written flight plan controls the plane?

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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 2:47 am

tb727 wrote:
Looks like it had departed earlier in the day from ALN and made it to about 16,000’ before turning back. Sad, I would suspect pressurization problems.


Agreed. Given the turnback earlier. Sucks big time.
 
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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 9:18 am

I'm guessing pilot incapacitation from pressurization problem from what's been reported, It was at FL 390, which is high enough to not give much time to react to a problem that isn't obvious (like rapid depressurization). Second possibility is medical problem with pilot, heart attack etc. Third possibility is intentional act of the pilot (suicide etc.) but this doesn't seem likely but possible. All of these have happened before.
 
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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 2:23 pm

Being that the A/C was filed on the Jingl6 arrival and there is a discontinuity at the end, if a pilot doesn’t input anything it will just continue on that last course heading which is eastbound.
 
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Re: Citation Crash off of Florida Coast

Sat May 25, 2019 4:28 pm

slcguy wrote:
I'm guessing pilot incapacitation from pressurization problem from what's been reported, It was at FL 390, which is high enough to not give much time to react to a problem that isn't obvious (like rapid depressurization). Second possibility is medical problem with pilot, heart attack etc. Third possibility is intentional act of the pilot (suicide etc.) but this doesn't seem likely but possible. All of these have happened before.


Yeah I remember during F/A training watching the difference in time between to hypoxia at FL310 and FL410. At FL390 during a rapid decompression, you have just seconds to react, especially if you’re alone. Whereas a pressure leak might go undetected kinda like the frog in the pot that is gradually brought to a boil.

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