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DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 8:40 pm

Do you think American Airlines and or Cathay Pacific could start a second daily flight from Dallas to Hong Kong? And if so do u think it could be a red eye to HKG leaving DFW around 2300? Since AA already shown then don't mind scheduling a flight after 11 p.m. at night with the new Dallas Dublin flight.
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 8:48 pm

How FULL is the existing flights? Will the new flight cannibalize yields? Tokyo, Hong Kong & Singapore are the cities in Asia with the most corporate multi-nationals so it makes sense just like Tokyo there's multiple dailies. Plus HKG is a excellent hub for SE & South Asia traffic.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 8:51 pm

AA moved the DFW-DUB flight to 23:00?...

That's interesting, I thought it was originally scheduled for 20:35.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 8:52 pm

DFW-DUB departs at 2305 to arrive at 1350+1. A 2300 DFW-HKG is going to arrive at 0420+2. After a long flight I want to shower and sleep but I recognize others may choose differently.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 8:53 pm

I feel like AA or CX could launch an extra 3x weekly flight. Premium traffic is heavy on this route. From what I've heard, there's a ton of non-revs on this route.

There might not be enough traffic to warrant a 2x daily yet... given the increase in DFW-Asia with the upcoming HND slot.

AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia. Would AA/CX make a coordinated schedule having one flight leave as a red-eye?
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 9:14 pm

I don’t know... I honestly would much rather prefer that they fly CAN for extra connection in China, as well as an expansion for their presence in China.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 9:27 pm

Ishrion wrote:
AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia.


No monopoly when KE is present and now in a JV with DL.

Also, EK and QR may grab some low yielding SE Asia too though it could add 3-4 hours going westbound back to DFW.
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 9:39 pm

If I remember correctly AA and CX are in a JV and AA does the HKG flight so CX doesn’t have to do it.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 9:44 pm

Delta28L, AA only has a JV with JL in the Pacific. But AA/CX coordinated and CX reduced LAX-HKG from 4x daily to 3x daily allowing AA to launch service.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 9:44 pm

Delta28L wrote:
If I remember correctly AA and CX are in a JV and AA does the HKG flight so CX doesn’t have to do it.


AA and CX do not have a JV.

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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 9:47 pm

It would be nice if CX flew to DFW but it seems unlikely.

Delta28L wrote:
If I remember correctly AA and CX are in a JV and AA does the HKG flight so CX doesn’t have to do it.
mmm, your memory might be confusing CX with another carrier. AA has no JV with CX as Hong Kong/China have no Open Skies treaty.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 9:50 pm

Delta28L wrote:
If I remember correctly AA and CX are in a JV and AA does the HKG flight so CX doesn’t have to do it.


No, AA and CX codeshare only.

adamh8297 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia.


No monopoly when KE is present and now in a JV with DL.

Also, EK and QR may grab some low yielding SE Asia too though it could add 3-4 hours going westbound back to DFW.


Not necessarily. AA and KE codeshare specifically on the DFW-ICN route.

Aside from India connections, I doubt EK/QR are gaining SE Asia catchment on their DFW routes unless there's statistics to prove it...

It seems a bit redundant to travel eastward to DOH/DXB and connect onto cities like SIN/MNL when you can cut the travel time by up to 8 hours going westward.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 10:15 pm

Ishrion wrote:
AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia.

*gasp!* ....do Korean, Qatar, JAL, and Emirates know about this? :eek:
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 10:25 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia.

*gasp!* ....do Korean, Qatar, JAL, and Emirates know about this? :eek:


I hope so.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 10:27 pm

SESGDL wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
If I remember correctly AA and CX are in a JV and AA does the HKG flight so CX doesn’t have to do it.


AA and CX do not have a JV.

Jeremy


Never know that before... that’s really surprising.
As a side question, is it possible that China Southern do that with AA as how DL/MU and CA/UA has done?
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 11:12 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
If I remember correctly AA and CX are in a JV and AA does the HKG flight so CX doesn’t have to do it.


No, AA and CX codeshare only.

adamh8297 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia.


No monopoly when KE is present and now in a JV with DL.

Also, EK and QR may grab some low yielding SE Asia too though it could add 3-4 hours going westbound back to DFW.


Not necessarily. AA and KE codeshare specifically on the DFW-ICN route.

Aside from India connections, I doubt EK/QR are gaining SE Asia catchment on their DFW routes unless there's statistics to prove it...

It seems a bit redundant to travel eastward to DOH/DXB and connect onto cities like SIN/MNL when you can cut the travel time by up to 8 hours going westward.


EK did make a claim that ASEAN markets are not large ex-DFW in their network in their rebuttal to the US3 a few years ago. http://content.emirates.com/downloads/e ... e_Main.pdf (page 104 of the document page 121 of the file)

Still, It may not be redundant for a family of 5 saving $200 or more per person that needs to get to CGK or KUL.

Does AA have good grip on ideal flights? Yes but its not a monopoly.

Also - it looks like KE's code is on the AA DFW-ICN flight but not vice versa. DL code is now on the KE flight.
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 11:25 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
If I remember correctly AA and CX are in a JV and AA does the HKG flight so CX doesn’t have to do it.


No, AA and CX codeshare only.

adamh8297 wrote:

No monopoly when KE is present and now in a JV with DL.

Also, EK and QR may grab some low yielding SE Asia too though it could add 3-4 hours going westbound back to DFW.


Not necessarily. AA and KE codeshare specifically on the DFW-ICN route.

Aside from India connections, I doubt EK/QR are gaining SE Asia catchment on their DFW routes unless there's statistics to prove it...

It seems a bit redundant to travel eastward to DOH/DXB and connect onto cities like SIN/MNL when you can cut the travel time by up to 8 hours going westward.


EK did make a claim that ASEAN markets are not large ex-DFW in their network in their rebuttal to the US3 a few years ago. http://content.emirates.com/downloads/e ... e_Main.pdf (page 104 of the document page 121 of the file)

Still, It may not be redundant for a family of 5 saving $200 or more per person that needs to get to CGK or KUL.

Does AA have good grip on ideal flights? Yes but its not a monopoly.

Also - it looks like KE's code is on the AA DFW-ICN flight but not vice versa. DL code is now on the KE flight.


Oh jeez... this whole time I meant to say DFW-China, not Asia. I got so confused when people starting bringing up KE and Qatar/Emirates.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sat May 25, 2019 11:53 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
It would be nice if CX flew to DFW but it seems unlikely.

Delta28L wrote:
If I remember correctly AA and CX are in a JV and AA does the HKG flight so CX doesn’t have to do it.
mmm, your memory might be confusing CX with another carrier. AA has no JV with CX as Hong Kong/China have no Open Skies treaty.


CX does fly to DFW but the 748 does not carry any pax.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 12:00 am

adamh8297 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
If I remember correctly AA and CX are in a JV and AA does the HKG flight so CX doesn’t have to do it.


No, AA and CX codeshare only.

adamh8297 wrote:

No monopoly when KE is present and now in a JV with DL.

Also, EK and QR may grab some low yielding SE Asia too though it could add 3-4 hours going westbound back to DFW.


Not necessarily. AA and KE codeshare specifically on the DFW-ICN route.

Aside from India connections, I doubt EK/QR are gaining SE Asia catchment on their DFW routes unless there's statistics to prove it...

It seems a bit redundant to travel eastward to DOH/DXB and connect onto cities like SIN/MNL when you can cut the travel time by up to 8 hours going westward.


EK did make a claim that ASEAN markets are not large ex-DFW in their network in their rebuttal to the US3 a few years ago. http://content.emirates.com/downloads/e ... e_Main.pdf (page 104 of the document page 121 of the file)

Still, It may not be redundant for a family of 5 saving $200 or more per person that needs to get to CGK or KUL.

Does AA have good grip on ideal flights? Yes but its not a monopoly.

Also - it looks like KE's code is on the AA DFW-ICN flight but not vice versa. DL code is now on the KE flight.


QR so has good fare deals in J. I've flow to SIN via DOH and PVG as well as the price was half of CX and a third of AA.
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 12:33 am

QR is especially cheap in Y and if you're flying a family that matters. Lots of people everyday fly the long way including to destinations like SIN/HKG as the ME3 have substantially lower labor costs than AA/CX.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 12:43 am

Ishrion wrote:
I feel like AA or CX could launch an extra 3x weekly flight. Premium traffic is heavy on this route. From what I've heard, there's a ton of non-revs on this route.

There might not be enough traffic to warrant a 2x daily yet... given the increase in DFW-Asia with the upcoming HND slot.

AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia. Would AA/CX make a coordinated schedule having one flight leave as a red-eye?


I think you’re right on the $$ with this statement re an additional 3x weekly frequency. It’s definitely a mix of $$ premium and non-revs, although the flight is consistently doing well. The LAX flight was pretty bad for awhile, idk if that’s turned around by now.

Adding a red eye would be great, and/or shifting the departure time ex-HKG from 2pm to 6-8pm like the LAX flight. I know I’ve chosen to connect in LAX to get a full day of meetings in HKG before flying home, but it is what it is.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 12:55 am

If the LAX-HKG flight is doing bad they can always downgrade it to a 788 or 789. There is also extra competition on the LAX-HKG flight with Hong Kong Airlines (semi-LCC).
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 1:37 am

x1234 wrote:
If the LAX-HKG flight is doing bad they can always downgrade it to a 788 or 789. There is also extra competition on the LAX-HKG flight with Hong Kong Airlines (semi-LCC).


Don’t forget the extra 12 (soon to be 9) weekly capacity in the rest of Pearl River Delta, plus countless others in the rest of China.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 3:45 am

Planes4you wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
I feel like AA or CX could launch an extra 3x weekly flight. Premium traffic is heavy on this route. From what I've heard, there's a ton of non-revs on this route.

There might not be enough traffic to warrant a 2x daily yet... given the increase in DFW-Asia with the upcoming HND slot.

AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia. Would AA/CX make a coordinated schedule having one flight leave as a red-eye?


Let’s be honest if I made this thread you would’ve said the compete opposite and shot my idea down


Ehh depends on how far fetched you would've gone. If it was just a standard thread questioning the increase of DFW-HKG, I could definitely believe it considering DFW-HKG has the demand.

If it was completely random stuff like incorrect information or complete BS like Turkish dropping IAH for DFW, I would've shot that down.

I have personal experience with AA's DFW/LAX-HKG... I've seen the flight's list of non-revs and forward bookings.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 7:32 am

Ishrion wrote:
I feel like AA or CX could launch an extra 3x weekly flight. Premium traffic is heavy on this route. From what I've heard, there's a ton of non-revs on this route.

There might not be enough traffic to warrant a 2x daily yet... given the increase in DFW-Asia with the upcoming HND slot.

AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia. Would AA/CX make a coordinated schedule having one flight leave as a red-eye?


I don't know about the non-rev volume on this route but if it really is "a ton" I don't see AA adding more capacity. Perhaps the opposite though. ;)
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 11:27 am

HKG-DFW-XXX is priced quite firmly, especially for business class. AA used to offer very attractive price for connections at DFW to points else where in North America on business class when they started the route, but it's now quite expensive. Not sure what the load is but the pricing seems to mean the route is doing quite well.

A midnight departure from DFW will maximize connection opportunities at HKG, and that's the favorite timing for CX's North America flights. ORD is the only CX North America destination that is not served with a westbound midnight departure. May be CX can serve DFW with 3 to 4-weekly first with A359 to test it out?
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 11:44 am

How about hour shuttle between two airport via a320ulr/bcs1-ulr?
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 11:58 am

Not likely for CX, the current strategy of CX is to open unserved route to avoid competition. There are still many ports in north america that CX can launch like Montreal, Houston, Calgary etc
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 1:12 pm

If you get on as a nonrev on that flight, you are flying in the back. Not the easiest flight to get on as a nrsa. Between weight restrictions and loads you may end up enjoying the sights in Grapevine rather thank HKG if trying for AA125.


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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 3:03 pm

chunhimlai wrote:
How about hour shuttle between two airport via a320ulr/bcs1-ulr?


You can tell me that on JFK-LCY, just not something like this.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Sun May 26, 2019 3:15 pm

The 77W seems like a cash cow for AA with the ability to offer and sell a full J ticket. From what I have understood since the route's inception, DFW-HKG has done very well as far as solid loads and a heavy J/F cabins in both directions. The new HND route for AA shouldn't cannibalize any Asia traffic, only make the AA/JL partnership stronger.

When was the last time CX added a new North American city before SEA? Now that they have finally turned the corner in terms of better finances, hopefully we can see them venture out to mega hubs such as DFW where they can definitely capture some domestic traffic.
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 4:23 pm

tkoenig95 wrote:
When was the last time CX added a new North American city before SEA? Now that they have finally turned the corner in terms of better finances, hopefully we can see them venture out to mega hubs such as DFW where they can definitely capture some domestic traffic.


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Sun May 26, 2019 4:43 pm

DFW/LAX-HKG is one of the best performing routes among AA's long haul routes in Asia Pacific. The problem is AA has to offload travellers due to wind and weight. It is a nightmare for Non-Rev due to popularity of the routes. A second daily DFW-HKG would be nice but ultimately AA need plan for a small number of B777-8 to replace B77W in near future.
 
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Mon May 27, 2019 5:35 am

Why are there multiple posts talking about non-revs? Has nothing to do with adding service lol.

Besides, I feel bad for people who try to get on and suffer on that 10 across 77W anyways. Much easier and more comfortable to connect in LAX, SFO, etc.

However if CX could add frequency with the A350...that would be welcome.
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Mon May 27, 2019 8:34 am

adamh8297 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AA continues to run a monopoly on DFW-Asia.


No monopoly when KE is present and now in a JV with DL.

Also, EK and QR may grab some low yielding SE Asia too though it could add 3-4 hours going westbound back to DFW.


I sometimes wonder what people actually see and read. D F W to Asia, not USA to Asia... unless DL and KE are now running dozens of flights out of DFW nonstop to Asia (which obviously they are not). This DL nonsense really needs to be put to bed.
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Re: DFW-HKG and adding more flights?

Mon May 27, 2019 1:01 pm

raylee67 wrote:
HKG-DFW-XXX is priced quite firmly, especially for business class. AA used to offer very attractive price for connections at DFW to points else where in North America on business class when they started the route, but it's now quite expensive. Not sure what the load is but the pricing seems to mean the route is doing quite well.

A midnight departure from DFW will maximize connection opportunities at HKG, and that's the favorite timing for CX's North America flights. ORD is the only CX North America destination that is not served with a westbound midnight departure. May be CX can serve DFW with 3 to 4-weekly first with A359 to test it out?


They problem with CX adding service will the late night arrival into DFW. No connections and DFW O/D will not be able to support the flight on it's own.

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