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Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 3:01 am

Wow according to Russian media sources ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok according to Russian state media https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6470773
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 4:10 am

Good for them!

It looks like S7 flies Vladivostok-NRT and is the only one on that route, theres probably some room there for NH. I wonder if Moscow will be served from HND; is that possible under the Russia/Japan bilateral?
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 4:15 am

I also wonder which airport in Moscow ANA would fly to..
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 4:17 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Good for them!

It looks like S7 flies Vladivostok-NRT and is the only one on that route, theres probably some room there for NH. I wonder if Moscow will be served from HND; is that possible under the Russia/Japan bilateral?

Russian carriers have the majority of Russia japan seats, so I can assume that there would be room for NH
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 4:28 am

Morgenstern1234 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Good for them!

It looks like S7 flies Vladivostok-NRT and is the only one on that route, theres probably some room there for NH. I wonder if Moscow will be served from HND; is that possible under the Russia/Japan bilateral?

For Vladivostok I sure there would be enough room for another daily flight, apparently right now there’s 6 daily flights between Seoul and Vladivostok, plus Vladivostok is a visa free part of Russia

For serving Moscow from Haneda not sure about the bilaterals, but Haneda-moscow would probably be aimed at more premium passengers?
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 4:42 am

I was wishing they'd finally fly to YYZ, I flew them from ORD-HND round trip and I just love NH a lot. I just wish they didn't ignore YYZ compared to other north american destinations asian carriers fly. There is enough demand for a 2nd tokyo flight from YYZ.
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 4:46 am

Morgenstern1234 wrote:
For Vladivostok I sure there would be enough room for another daily flight, apparently right now there’s 6 daily flights between Seoul and Vladivostok, plus Vladivostok is a visa free part of Russia

For serving Moscow from Haneda not sure about the bilaterals, but Haneda-moscow would probably be aimed at more premium passengers?


There is a visa-free agreement between South Korea and Russia. I don't think one exists between Russia and Japan. And I do not believe Vladivostok-Tokyo flights are even daily.
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 4:52 am

I'm actually surprised that they don't already operate these routes... you learn something every day.
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 5:55 am

anrec80 wrote:
Morgenstern1234 wrote:
For Vladivostok I sure there would be enough room for another daily flight, apparently right now there’s 6 daily flights between Seoul and Vladivostok, plus Vladivostok is a visa free part of Russia

For serving Moscow from Haneda not sure about the bilaterals, but Haneda-moscow would probably be aimed at more premium passengers?


There is a visa-free agreement between South Korea and Russia. I don't think one exists between Russia and Japan. And I do not believe Vladivostok-Tokyo flights are even daily.

Right now 1 daily Aeroflot 5 weekly s7 between Vladivostok and Tokyo, between Moscow and tokyo it’s one daily Aeroflot from SVO and one daily JAL from DME that’s with the visa barrier rights now on both sides
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 6:52 am

The reason for ANA's lack of Russian services probably has to do with the legacy of JAL being the Flag carrier. Even now various overflight rights (and probably other rights too) in Russia are restricted to select airlines.
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 6:57 am

Pcoder wrote:
The reason for ANA's lack of Russian services probably has to do with the legacy of JAL being the Flag carrier. Even now various overflight rights (and probably other rights too) in Russia are restricted to select airlines.

Flights to Moscow don’t need Russian overflight rights
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 6:59 am

Morgenstern1234 wrote:
Pcoder wrote:
The reason for ANA's lack of Russian services probably has to do with the legacy of JAL being the Flag carrier. Even now various overflight rights (and probably other rights too) in Russia are restricted to select airlines.

Flights to Moscow don’t need Russian overflight rights


I'm Just using it as an example of how restrictive some of the Russian requirements are. So probably getting landing rights wouldn't be a walk in the park.
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 7:11 pm

Morgenstern1234 wrote:
I also wonder which airport in Moscow ANA would fly to..

Domodedovo seems the most logical variant as the majority of *A carriers flies there.
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 8:02 pm

A321Lufthansa wrote:
Morgenstern1234 wrote:
I also wonder which airport in Moscow ANA would fly to..

Domodedovo seems the most logical variant as the majority of *A carriers flies there.

I wouldn’t rule out SVO as JAL already flies to DNE
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 8:05 pm

Morgenstern1234 wrote:
A321Lufthansa wrote:
Morgenstern1234 wrote:
I also wonder which airport in Moscow ANA would fly to..

Domodedovo seems the most logical variant as the majority of *A carriers flies there.

I wouldn’t rule out SVO as JAL already flies to DNE

That doesn't matter. Aeroflot already flies from SVO so both airports have at least one career performing to Tokyo. DME is the most preferred airport to *A in Moscow. Exceptions are TK (in VKO), CA (SVO), LO (SVO but has a seasonal flight to DME) and SN (in few days moving to SVO though its future in *A is undefined due to integration into EW).
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 8:53 pm

YYZORD wrote:
I was wishing they'd finally fly to YYZ, I flew them from ORD-HND round trip and I just love NH a lot. I just wish they didn't ignore YYZ compared to other north american destinations asian carriers fly. There is enough demand for a 2nd tokyo flight from YYZ.


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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 9:33 pm

Canada has open skies with Japan so that isn't the issue!

MIflyer12 wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
I was wishing they'd finally fly to YYZ, I flew them from ORD-HND round trip and I just love NH a lot. I just wish they didn't ignore YYZ compared to other north american destinations asian carriers fly. There is enough demand for a 2nd tokyo flight from YYZ.


Ask Canadian officials why they're negotiated so few open skies agreements compared to the U.S.
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 9:42 pm

I wonder what aircraft type they will use on the route(s)...

The Vladivostok route is likely to be shipping industry based, and/or may be interesting for the purposes of cargo. I wonder how they will go on the capacity vs frequency debate - considering that the route can be served by so many aircraft in the fleet. Would LCC-esque services work here? Perhaps, as a third entrant?

As an aside - how does S7 cooperate with JL on the routes (as both are part of OneWorld)?
 
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Sun May 26, 2019 10:18 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
I'm actually surprised that they don't already operate these routes... you learn something every day.


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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 10:48 pm

Rajahdhani wrote:
I wonder what aircraft type they will use on the route(s)...

The Vladivostok route is likely to be shipping industry based, and/or may be interesting for the purposes of cargo. I wonder how they will go on the capacity vs frequency debate - considering that the route can be served by so many aircraft in the fleet. Would LCC-esque services work here? Perhaps, as a third entrant?

As an aside - how does S7 cooperate with JL on the routes (as both are part of OneWorld)?

S7 codeshares on on JAL’s DME NRT and JAL codeshares on S7 Services from Tokyo to Vladivostok Khabarovsk Irkutsk and Novosibirsk
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Sun May 26, 2019 11:19 pm

Suprised no one has mentioned Aurora (Aeroflot's Far Eastern subsidiary) who mainly took over operations of Vladivostok Avia & SAT Sakhalinsk,

They operate to Tokyo NRT from Vladivostok VVO
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They also operate to Sapporo CTS from Yuzhno Sakhalinsk, Ural Airlines also operate twice weekly A320 services to CTS although from VVO.
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Mon May 27, 2019 12:19 am

Rajahdhani wrote:
I wonder what aircraft type they will use on the route(s)...

The Vladivostok route is likely to be shipping industry based, and/or may be interesting for the purposes of cargo. I wonder how they will go on the capacity vs frequency debate - considering that the route can be served by so many aircraft in the fleet. Would LCC-esque services work here? Perhaps, as a third entrant?

As an aside - how does S7 cooperate with JL on the routes (as both are part of OneWorld)?


I think VVO is a perfect A321 route. Unless they want to haul a lot of cargo.
 
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Re: Japanese airline ANA plans to fly to Moscow and Vladivostok by 2020

Mon May 27, 2019 8:23 am

wangjm777 wrote:
Rajahdhani wrote:
I wonder what aircraft type they will use on the route(s)...

The Vladivostok route is likely to be shipping industry based, and/or may be interesting for the purposes of cargo. I wonder how they will go on the capacity vs frequency debate - considering that the route can be served by so many aircraft in the fleet. Would LCC-esque services work here? Perhaps, as a third entrant?

As an aside - how does S7 cooperate with JL on the routes (as both are part of OneWorld)?


I think VVO is a perfect A321 route. Unless they want to haul a lot of cargo.


They could even fly their Mitsubishi regional jet (when they get it) or their bombardier dash 4 Q800 to VVO
It’s only 2 hours....
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