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davidjohnson6 wrote:Is moving military flights from EIN to GRQ consistent with the capabilities one would expect of the Dutch military ? I can think of at least one country that is not friendly to the Netherlands and has the capacity to send military aircraft armed with weapons to or even into Dutch airspace -
Dutchy wrote:davidjohnson6 wrote:Is moving military flights from EIN to GRQ consistent with the capabilities one would expect of the Dutch military ? I can think of at least one country that is not friendly to the Netherlands and has the capacity to send military aircraft armed with weapons to or even into Dutch airspace -
Not sure were you are going with this.
PatrickZ80 wrote:The idea itself isn't bad, but I agree that the costs of it make it highly unlikely. Part of those costs might be funded through crowdfunding, but certainly not all of it. Airlines that want to expand in either Amsterdam or Eindhoven but currently can't might be willing to pay for a solution that can free up capacity at those airports if that includes a guarantee that they get their share of the freed up capacity.
davidjohnson6 wrote:My point is that you can send the military to different runways in remote areas in their home country, but the military has a function beyond that of just reserving airspace for burning fuel.
If the Dutch air force is moved according to the desires of LCCs, can they still provide the security presence in the air that the Netherlands needs to ensure civilian life continues uninterrupted ? I'm thinking of a big and powerful country to the east of Europe which has ample capacity to send armed jets and bombers into airspace around the Netherlands and cause trouble. That country has shown many many times in the last 5-10 years its willingness to make trouble in (or very close to) domestic airspace of some of the Netherlands' closest and geographically nearest allies. Sending up a Transavia passenger jet to ask them nicely to please go away is not going to dissuade them
If you make life sufficiently difficult for a military, then their ability to act is limited when another country turns hostile
MCTSET wrote:Ahh yes Russia is going to invade the Netherlands because a few F16’s have moved base from Eindhoven to Groningen. Russia is 2000km away from the Netherlands, how does moving a squadron 200km closer to the coast, lead to the invasion of Holland.
davidjohnson6 wrote:Is moving military flights from EIN to GRQ consistent with the capabilities one would expect of the Dutch military ? I can think of at least one country that is not friendly to the Netherlands and has the capacity to send military aircraft armed with weapons to or even into Dutch airspace -
PatrickZ80 wrote:davidjohnson6 wrote:Is moving military flights from EIN to GRQ consistent with the capabilities one would expect of the Dutch military ? I can think of at least one country that is not friendly to the Netherlands and has the capacity to send military aircraft armed with weapons to or even into Dutch airspace -
Yes, because it won't influence the defensive capabilities of the Netherlands. The Dutch fighter jets aren't based in Eindhoven and would therefor also not be moved to Groningen.
But even if that were the case, suppose a Russian military aircraft would enter Dutch airspace. Where is it most likely to do that? Over the North Sea. Now Groningen lies quite a bit closer to the North Sea than Eindhoven, in fact it lies just in the corner that is closest to the point where this Russian aircraft would enter Dutch airspace.
The fighter bases in the Netherlands are Leeuwarden and Volkel, one in the north and one in the south. Should a Russian military aircraft enter Dutch airspace, it would be immediately intercepted by F-16s from Leeuwarden. Nothing is going to change that.
PatrickZ80 wrote:The fighter bases in the Netherlands are Leeuwarden and Volkel, one in the north and one in the south. Should a Russian military aircraft enter Dutch airspace, it would be immediately intercepted by F-16s from Leeuwarden. Nothing is going to change that.
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