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LH D-ABVU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 3:46 am

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/225615

Appears the aircraft made a hard landing, which caused a piece of one of the left engine cowlings to separate. Aircraft is on the ground at PHL.

Scanned the first three pages, searched under multiple terms and couldn't find any mention of it here.
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 4:05 am

Saw this in the news.

Interesting.
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 4:14 am

Small correction: It is LH426. On a side note it's cool that Philly is getting another 747 service
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 4:15 am

That sounds pretty hard!

Where's the video? :-)

Plexiglass came off the left engine cowling, and the occurrence aircraft is still on the ground in Philadelphia about 21 hours after landing.


What plexiglass is there in a cowling?
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 5:13 am

AirlineCritic wrote:
What plexiglass is there in a cowling?


None :)
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 5:20 am

speedbird52 wrote:
Small correction: It is LH426. On a side note it's cool that Philly is getting another 747 service


Yep! There’s a pic somewhere showing the LH and Speedbird 747s next to each other - nice!
It’s an A332 during winter. Before 2018, this was a LH CityLine route on an A343.
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 5:50 am

mchei wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Small correction: It is LH426. On a side note it's cool that Philly is getting another 747 service


Yep! There’s a pic somewhere showing the LH and Speedbird 747s next to each other......

PHL- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3OhENsWsAEn23u.jpg:large
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 7:26 am

acentauri wrote:
mchei wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Small correction: It is LH426. On a side note it's cool that Philly is getting another 747 service


Yep! There’s a pic somewhere showing the LH and Speedbird 747s next to each other......

PHL- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3OhENsWsAEn23u.jpg:large

Gorgeous
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 7:52 am

mchei wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Small correction: It is LH426. On a side note it's cool that Philly is getting another 747 service


Yep! There’s a pic somewhere showing the LH and Speedbird 747s next to each other - nice!
It’s an A332 during winter. Before 2018, this was a LH CityLine route on an A343.

LH doesn't have 332's; you probably mean 333 in winter?
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 8:26 am

Small typo in the title: it’s D-ABVU.
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 12:25 pm

It appears you can see this LH 744 in the distance on the deicing pad of the PHLAirport twitter picture.

https://twitter.com/PHLAirport/status/1 ... 4459027466
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 3:43 pm

stylo777 wrote:
LH doesn't have 332's; you probably mean 333 in winter?


You’re right of course. Sorry!
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 5:51 pm

Considering it's a 744 I'm surprised no one has asked if it's a write off. :)
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 6:09 pm

acentauri wrote:
mchei wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Small correction: It is LH426. On a side note it's cool that Philly is getting another 747 service


Yep! There’s a pic somewhere showing the LH and Speedbird 747s next to each other......

PHL- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3OhENsWsAEn23u.jpg:large


Now, that's cool! 8-)
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 6:18 pm

So the B744 is parked at a deice stand and waiting for crews to look at the damage and fix it.
On June 2nd A340-600 will be substituted for the B744 according to the Philadelphia thread.

Would like to mention there were severe storms and a tornado in the area.
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 7:04 pm

Sorry, but no storms at time of landing. There was a small system considerably northeast of airport and he may have passed through it, but all was fine at airport. A larger and stronger system passed over airport later in day after aircraft had already been moved to the deice pad. Approach was fine, but he may have caught a gust after touching down initially - only speculating. Aircraft will likely remain at least through Sunday if not longer. Next eight days scheduled to be operated with D-AIHU. Appears it will ping pong back and forth. This aircraft normally based at MUC.
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 9:26 pm

Does LH need the capacity of an A346 for FRA PHL during summer that they even need to move an aircraft from MUC to FRA for it?
I mean LH has quite some planes based in FRA like 343, 744, 748.
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 9:45 pm

One B744 out of service indefinitely and others are needed for various other routes. B748 cannot be accommodated at PHL gates due to taxiway restriction. A346 is closest remaining aircraft in fleet when it comes to capacity - still has 74 less seats than B744. The A346 can easily be swapped between FRA / MUC - both hubs operate them. At moment the PHL flights are already at capacity with the originally planned B744 so this to minimize disruption.
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 10:26 pm

DAILN wrote:
One B744 out of service indefinitely and others are needed for various other routes. B748 cannot be accommodated at PHL gates due to taxiway restriction. A346 is closest remaining aircraft in fleet when it comes to capacity - still has 74 less seats than B744. The A346 can easily be swapped between FRA / MUC - both hubs operate them. At moment the PHL flights are already at capacity with the originally planned B744 so this to minimize disruption.


Danke dir!
LH had sent a 748 to PHL a couple of weeks ago (saw it on FR) and last time I flew to PHL (around end of October 2018) the load factor of the A333 was at about 80%. Seems to be more during summer.
BTW, seeing your name: D-AIPA is scheduled to leave the fleet by the end of June. Just saying ;)
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 10:58 pm

Not sure how it happened. Maybe a little wake turbulence during the flare from a preceding airplane. That's all I can think of. Here's a page from the Flight Crew Training Manual that shows what it takes to have a cowling strike on landing. I'm guessing they had a pitch of around 4 degrees on landing so they probably rolled around 6 or 7 degrees. It's a GE bird so use that line on the graph.

https://imgur.com/XeLM2rQ
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Fri May 31, 2019 11:10 pm

Yes, the B748 went to a hardstand and had about a three hour ground time - not the LH standard. FRA planned another one about two weeks after that, but fortunately switched back to B744. Actually D-AIPA had last official flight on Wednesday BRU-FRA. Did a flyover at Airbus on Tuesday and possibly also over Buxtehude which was it's given name. It is close to HAM.
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:03 am

Hypothetical scenario. What if the aircraft is deemed not worth the cost of fixing and is written off. What would be the procedure for PHL and LH?
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:06 am

PHLspecial wrote:
Hypothetical scenario. What if the aircraft is deemed not worth the cost of fixing and is written off. What would be the procedure for PHL and LH?


Doubt that would happen but even if it was, it would get a temp fix, then fly it somewhere for a permanent repair or scrapping. Delta did that with their 747 when they flew it into a storm over China and had a bunch of hail damage. Did temp fix then flew to the boneyard.
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:56 am

As spudsmac states, unlikely that it would be scrapped at PHL. Damage is considerable, but LH will do everything to get this a/c back into rotation. Checks are still ongoing, so it appears that it will be parked for some time.
 
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Re: LH D-AVBU (B744) hard landing at PHL

Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:16 pm

Maintenance work began this morning...new engines planned to arrive tomorrow. Still on position at de-ice pad.

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