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Turkish Aviation June 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 5:06 pm

Hello there Turkish Aviation fans,
Finally…. summer…. :)

As usual I will start with some recap of the topics discussed in the past and add few new ones:

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-Above is the latest Istanbul Airport master plan by a.net member “mafaky”. Last month he explained in detail, what we can expect to be build in the coming years. As of now, Runway C is being built and everything EAST of that is TBD.


-From my old notes…..."Ilker Ayci of TK said, 3rd runway completed by June’19”…. well that did not happen. Now, people say earliest is March 2020, more likely by this time next year.
-IST is designated as a military zone. IIRC, 2 miles radius from the outside perimeter. So no taking pictures, no spotting. At this point still no pictures on a.net database.
-Qatar might start to send the A380 to IST soon.
-Next is SAW. Even though in April there was a 8.6% drop in domestic pax numbers, International pax numbers rose 24.2%. By the way, at SAW Pegasus still has 65% of the market share.
-First TK 787 to join fleet in June, TC-LLA. Painted, ready to fly. There will be 15 of them in the TK fleet by this time next year.
-From last months thread; "IAD, ORD, LAX and SFO (may be MIA too) will be 10 weekly in 2020 summer schedule. All additionals will be 787, IAD and ATL will be pure 787.” I already see some JFK rotations by 787 in the near future.
-TK 359s to get 32 J seats??
-TK crews will start to wear the new uniforms this month. It has been a long time since they upgraded their uniforms.
-TK down to 3star by Skytrax :) We all know why :)
-TK start 2xW AYT-CMN 738 on June20, Caracas goes from 3 to 5 x Weekly.
-"Ucak Park" near Gokova?? I think it is a A300, raised right next to the highway between Gokova and DLM airport. Looks like it will be yet another airplane cafe. It looks nice, I will try to find a photo:

Safe Travels and Happy Landings to all :)

*You can find last month’s thread here: Turkish Aviation May 2019
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 5:14 pm

Indeed due demand Caracas service increasing to 5x weekly June 16th.

The two new frequencies are turns and not via Havana.

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Fri May 31, 2019 5:17 pm

Thanks for a new thread.

TK787 wrote:
-TK down to 3star by Skytrax :) We all know why :)


There seem to be a lot of complaints about the food onboard in Business Class since the new airport opened. Some suggest this is because the food is being transported between the two airports as thats where the catering Dept still is. Any insight into this issue?

With regards to Skytrax it is a good PR guff but means very little and stars are thrown out these days to the highest bidder !!
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 5:24 pm

A runway on the axis of the "F" one on the diagram would have been welcome sooner.

https://www.airporthaber.com/havacilik-haberleri/istanbul-havalimaninda-inislere-ruzgar-engeli.html
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Fri May 31, 2019 5:30 pm

OA260 wrote:
Thanks for a new thread.

TK787 wrote:
-TK down to 3star by Skytrax :) We all know why :)


There seem to be a lot of complaints about the food onboard in Business Class since the new airport opened. Some suggest this is because the food is being transported between the two airports as thats where the catering Dept still is. Any insight into this issue?


Since the opening I have done 1 x NewYork, 1 x Spain, 1 x Domestic Business Class with TK. I have to say, it is pretty consistent with what it used to be out of Ataturk. Some new appetizers and desserts were present also. I also would like to say, the food at the new Lounges at IST are way better than the old lounge, in terms of variety and availability. No more "Pide Wars", no lines.
 
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Fri May 31, 2019 7:41 pm

Does TK have any short term plan for expansion into United States?
 
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Fri May 31, 2019 7:45 pm

mafaky wrote:

The six 789s arriving within 2019 will definitely relieve the 5 (five) ER capable but now very much aging 332s (but these may also undergo some long time-taking major checks...) so these can be allocated to those new (2nd tier) China routes. Minimal J Class seating (18 seats after refurbishment), so TK should get concerned only as how to fill up the economy cabin...



I don’t think ER capability is an issue for flying IST-XIY, for any A330, unless specifically reduced MTOW for regional operation, can fly 10 hours with a fair amount of load. Filling the cabin is indeed fairly hard but not impossible given the relatively limited options to travel to Turkey anyway. With the recent tourism trend of new destinations i.e. Morocco and Turkey, filling 2 weekly A332 shouldn’t be hard anyway.
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:31 am

LAXintl wrote:
Indeed due demand Caracas service increasing to 5x weekly June 16th.

The two new frequencies are turns and not via Havana.

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interesting! specially not routed via HAV! just wondering if the catering ex CCS will be flown in with the incoming flight?
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:56 am

Does anyone know if TK will cancel or convert some MAX orders into more 787 i read somewhere that Boeing officials did meet with TK executives just wondering......
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 2:26 pm

IGA Istanbul Airport reports 5,228,000 pax used IST in May:
https://www.airporthaber.com/havacilik- ... -oldu.html (Turkish only)
Last year in May, Ataturk airport had 5,490,000 pax.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:33 am

Ist saw its 10th Million passenger today.

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Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:53 am

Here is an update on the 789's for TK

Below is the latest picture of TC-LLA, now back on the flightline awaiting first flight

TC-LLB LN873 is due to roll out of final assembly tomorrow
TC-LLC LN879 was loaded for final assembly last Thursday (30 May)
TC-LLD LN883 is due to be loaded for final assembly this coming Friday (7 Jun)

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https://twitter.com/KPAE_Spotter/status ... 15456?s=20
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:57 am

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Does TK have any short term plan for expansion into United States?



Detroit would be really nice but until we get a change in Washington I don't think you'll see any new cities added.
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:25 pm

klm617 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Does TK have any short term plan for expansion into United States?



Detroit would be really nice but until we get a change in Washington I don't think you'll see any new cities added.

What makes you think that there has to be a change in Washington for new cities? By the way, EWR is still on the top of the list. SEA right behind it maybe??
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:29 pm

TK787 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Does TK have any short term plan for expansion into United States?



Detroit would be really nice but until we get a change in Washington I don't think you'll see any new cities added.

What makes you think that there has to be a change in Washington for new cities? By the way, EWR is still on the top of the list. SEA right behind it maybe??


Wondering where DFW, ATL and DEN is placed...
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:42 pm

B1168 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
klm617 wrote:


Detroit would be really nice but until we get a change in Washington I don't think you'll see any new cities added.

What makes you think that there has to be a change in Washington for new cities? By the way, EWR is still on the top of the list. SEA right behind it maybe??


Wondering where DFW, ATL and DEN is placed...

TK has been flying to ATL for sometime. DFW and Detroit will be on that list. I've never heard of DEN, not even a rumor. If not EWR, Philadelphia maybe. How about MCO? LAS anyone?? Vancouver depending on the Canadians. That should be it.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:02 pm

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Here is an update on the 789's for TK


Thanks for the update. Also, I can't wait to see the J product on my flight first week of August. If anyone knows the exact layout of the J cabin. I am trying to figure out if Row 1 starts with the seat really close to the window and have more privacy? Thank you.
 
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qf789 wrote:
Here is an update on the 789's for TK

Below is the latest picture of TC-LLA, now back on the flightline awaiting first flight

TC-LLB LN873 is due to roll out of final assembly tomorrow
TC-LLC LN879 was loaded for final assembly last Thursday (30 May)
TC-LLD LN883 is due to be loaded for final assembly this coming Friday (7 Jun)

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https://twitter.com/KPAE_Spotter/status ... 15456?s=20

Thanks for taking the time to share this with TR Aviation anetters.


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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:16 pm

Quick question to TK experts: I was looking for flights from my base airport (TRN) to Istanbul and I was directed to the TK website where I saw Alitalia flights being sold (TRN-FCO-IST) Is there a new interline/codeshare agreement?

TK over the years has cancelled some Italian ports, TRN and GOA come to mind... Are there any plans to reinstate them given new capacity of the new IST? In local Italian sites, there were news about a PMO flight also...
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:12 pm

TK787 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
What makes you think that there has to be a change in Washington for new cities? By the way, EWR is still on the top of the list. SEA right behind it maybe??


Wondering where DFW, ATL and DEN is placed...

TK has been flying to ATL for sometime. DFW and Detroit will be on that list. I've never heard of DEN, not even a rumor. If not EWR, Philadelphia maybe. How about MCO? LAS anyone?? Vancouver depending on the Canadians. That should be it.


Maybe MSP - long term? Big East African diaspora there for starters.
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:18 pm

TK787 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
What makes you think that there has to be a change in Washington for new cities? By the way, EWR is still on the top of the list. SEA right behind it maybe??


Wondering where DFW, ATL and DEN is placed...

TK has been flying to ATL for sometime. DFW and Detroit will be on that list. I've never heard of DEN, not even a rumor. If not EWR, Philadelphia maybe. How about MCO? LAS anyone?? Vancouver depending on the Canadians. That should be it.


DEN, SEA and DFW was first on the list after 787 order. PHI is not possible obvious reasons ;)
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:43 pm

Can a 332er (jna-jne) do denver, sea or dfw? Considering that they are capable of pty,bog,hav and ccs?
If so above mentioned cities can be started with 332s as well
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:55 pm

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Can a 332er (jna-jne) do denver, sea or dfw? Considering that they are capable of pty,bog,hav and ccs?
If so above mentioned cities can be started with 332s as well



Yes they can, also they are used heavily I dont think there are enough plane for mentioned cities.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:58 pm

TK787 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
B1168 wrote:
Does TK have any short term plan for expansion into United States?



Detroit would be really nice but until we get a change in Washington I don't think you'll see any new cities added.

What makes you think that there has to be a change in Washington for new cities? By the way, EWR is still on the top of the list. SEA right behind it maybe??


Because the current administration is no friend to TK and the ME3. It no coincedence that since he's been president that the ME3 have shrunk capacity and not one new route has been added by the ME3 and TK. They still aren't in EWR are they.
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:01 pm

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Can a 332er (jna-jne) do denver, sea or dfw? Considering that they are capable of pty,bog,hav and ccs?
If so above mentioned cities can be started with 332s as well


The 332 could easliy reach Detroit.
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:09 pm

Some A350 flights have been filled according to airlineroute.

"Turkish Airlines plans A350-900XWB service from London Heathrow on 13APR20, Dubai on 14APR20. Further changes likely"

Source: https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status/1135257880859271168

Follow up tweet: "Configuration C32Y297"

Source: https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 5109243904
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:15 pm

What about den,dfw, sea and vancover, can 332 do it?
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:33 pm

MeCe wrote:
TK787 wrote:
B1168 wrote:

Wondering where DFW, ATL and DEN is placed...

TK has been flying to ATL for sometime. DFW and Detroit will be on that list. I've never heard of DEN, not even a rumor. If not EWR, Philadelphia maybe. How about MCO? LAS anyone?? Vancouver depending on the Canadians. That should be it.


DEN, SEA and DFW was first on the list after 787 order. PHI is not possible obvious reasons ;)


Well that’s pretty good to know. They have plans to expand in China, and I honestly don’t think anything other than long haul capable A332 can make a profit on that... would not be surprised if some existing Central American routes on TK get replaced by 789 to free the 332 for East Asian market.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:56 pm

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- IST is designated as a military zone. IIRC, 2 miles radius from the outside perimeter. So no taking pictures, no spotting. At this point still no pictures on a.net database.

That's really sad to hear. What harm can spotters do, really? I guess we all have been spoiled by the steady stream of photos coming from Atatürk Airport. I wish I could have visited it myself, so far I have never been to Turkey. Don't passengers in the terminal use mobile phones to take pictures of aircraft?

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TK down to 3star by Skytrax :) We all know why :)

I don't know why, sorry.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:35 pm

MoonC wrote:
Follow up tweet: "Configuration C32Y297"

Source: https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 5109243904

:(
If that is the case, I am wrong as usual one more time. As early as August 2018 I suggested the config could be be C36/Y280.
TK's C cabins will be shrinking with both 789 and 359, I guess to make room for the 1-2-1 seating.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:39 pm

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TK down to 3star by Skytrax :) We all know why :)

I don't know why, sorry.

In short, after LH was named as a 5 star airline ( ahead of TK ), TK left the Skytrax rankings. Most people at a.net suggest that Skytrax ranking is a marketing tool for airlines and the more you pay the higher ranking you get. So it is not fair at all. That is why TK is downgraded to a 3 star airline, after it stopped playing along :)
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:25 am

MartijnNL wrote:
TK787 wrote:
- IST is designated as a military zone. IIRC, 2 miles radius from the outside perimeter. So no taking pictures, no spotting. At this point still no pictures on a.net database.

That's really sad to hear. What harm can spotters do, really? I guess we all have been spoiled by the steady stream of photos coming from Atatürk Airport. I wish I could have visited it myself, so far I have never been to Turkey. Don't passengers in the terminal use mobile phones to take pictures of aircraft?

TK787 wrote:
TK down to 3star by Skytrax :) We all know why :)

I don't know why, sorry.


There are spotters on instagram who regularly post photos from the tarmac at the new airport, its just not as great as the photos from the old airport.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:45 pm

Speaking of the new airport, there have been some news about how uneven some taxiways are, and the possible ramifications this may (and already do) lead to. (Overheating of brakes leading to long taxi in/out times.) Do these reports have any credibility? (In Turkish: https://t24.com.tr/haber/uzun-ve-egimli-taksi-yollari-yanan-tekerlekler-yuksek-irtifada-ucaga-carpan-kuslar-pilotlar-istanbul-havalimani-ni-anlatiyor,823520) If I recall correctly, there was a fire incident not long ago because the brakes of a TK aircraft (TK1411) was overheated. This could've been an isolated incident, but I'm wondering if there's something systemically wrong. Information about the new airport seems to be lacking, and it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. Especially since some of these reports could be politically motivated. (For one side or the other.)
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:14 pm

TK787 wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:

TK787 wrote:
TK down to 3star by Skytrax :) We all know why :)

I don't know why, sorry.

In short, after LH was named as a 5 star airline ( ahead of TK ), TK left the Skytrax rankings. Most people at a.net suggest that Skytrax ranking is a marketing tool for airlines and the more you pay the higher ranking you get. So it is not fair at all. That is why TK is downgraded to a 3 star airline, after it stopped playing along :)

Reversely, this would also mean that TK paid the "fee" over all these years of being awarded the "Best Airline in Europe", just to start with...
Don't get me wrong, I'm also not a fan of Skytrax, but TK used this medium massively to enhance their global reach.
Of course, anyone would blame the allegedly "corrupt" system once you stop playing along, but don't forget that you have been a key player in this game - just saying :D
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:19 pm

stylo777 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
MartijnNL wrote:


I don't know why, sorry.

In short, after LH was named as a 5 star airline ( ahead of TK ), TK left the Skytrax rankings. Most people at a.net suggest that Skytrax ranking is a marketing tool for airlines and the more you pay the higher ranking you get. So it is not fair at all. That is why TK is downgraded to a 3 star airline, after it stopped playing along :)

Reversely, this would also mean that TK paid the "fee" over all these years of being awarded the "Best Airline in Europe", just to start with...
Don't get me wrong, I'm also not a fan of Skytrax, but TK used this medium massively to enhance their global reach.
Of course, anyone would blame the allegedly "corrupt" system once you stop playing along, but don't forget that you have been a key player in this game - just saying :D


Even tough I agree with you, one has to admit that TK is much closer to a 5 star rating than LH is in terms of service and overall onboard product. I mean, how can LH have a five star rating if its long-haul fleet has a 31' seatpitch in economy class.
 
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Blerg wrote:
stylo777 wrote:
TK787 wrote:
In short, after LH was named as a 5 star airline ( ahead of TK ), TK left the Skytrax rankings. Most people at a.net suggest that Skytrax ranking is a marketing tool for airlines and the more you pay the higher ranking you get. So it is not fair at all. That is why TK is downgraded to a 3 star airline, after it stopped playing along :)

Reversely, this would also mean that TK paid the "fee" over all these years of being awarded the "Best Airline in Europe", just to start with...
Don't get me wrong, I'm also not a fan of Skytrax, but TK used this medium massively to enhance their global reach.
Of course, anyone would blame the allegedly "corrupt" system once you stop playing along, but don't forget that you have been a key player in this game - just saying :D


Even tough I agree with you, one has to admit that TK is much closer to a 5 star rating than LH is in terms of service and overall onboard product. I mean, how can LH have a five star rating if its long-haul fleet has a 31' seatpitch in economy class.

on the other hand once could also argue that LH has one of the best First Class product including a dedicated terminal in FRA and separate First Class lounges at the hubs. TK is lacking First Class completely and the same must be said for Premium Economy class. In fact, the complete Lufthansa longhaul fleet offers the very same and consistent hard product; eventhough, the Business Class is getting older and as you correctly pointed out the Economy pitch is at 31' only (which btw. is the same for TK 77W's).
We could continue argueing with the onboard service (catering in particular) and for instance European Business Class, but to be honest, we wouldn't be able find a true winner/5 star rating. Ultimatively, only the ones paying are the skytrax winners... ;)
 
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As I understood, ex-WOW Air A333s got the same seats as ex-Skymark ones have?
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:35 pm

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As I understood, ex-WOW Air A333s got the same seats as ex-Skymark ones have?
No, ex Wow A333s got C27Y318 cabin configuration.
ex Skymark A333s have C40Y265.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:06 pm

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As I understood, ex-WOW Air A333s got the same seats as ex-Skymark ones have?
No, ex Wow A333s got C27Y318 cabin configuration.
ex Skymark A333s have C40Y265.

And which seats? Same as were in WOW Air? Oh my God!
Will they be replaced later? Are these aicraft planned to fly also outside Turkey?
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:12 pm

Two TK 789s are ready for preflight :bouncy: :

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Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:28 pm

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Can a 332er (jna-jne) do denver, sea or dfw? Considering that they are capable of pty,bog,hav and ccs?
If so above mentioned cities can be started with 332s as well



Yes they can, also they are used heavily I dont think there are enough plane for mentioned cities.

Denver sits 5500 feet elevation. It will be a massive challenge , I think, for a a332er to take off from there without a huge weight penalty.

People with better knowledge of the aircraft’s performance can correct me.
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A321Lufthansa wrote:
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A321Lufthansa wrote:
As I understood, ex-WOW Air A333s got the same seats as ex-Skymark ones have?
No, ex Wow A333s got C27Y318 cabin configuration.
ex Skymark A333s have C40Y265.

And which seats? Same as were in WOW Air? Oh my God!
Will they be replaced later? Are these aicraft planned to fly also outside Turkey?
According to TK investor presentation, these two birds are leased for short-term. So I don't think they will change later. Wow Air had C27Y318 too, so probably no change. I heard that they will be used for Hajj flights like the A340s which had 354 seats.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:59 am

Yakamoz wrote:
A321Lufthansa wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
No, ex Wow A333s got C27Y318 cabin configuration.
ex Skymark A333s have C40Y265.

And which seats? Same as were in WOW Air? Oh my God!
Will they be replaced later? Are these aicraft planned to fly also outside Turkey?
According to TK investor presentation, these two birds are leased for short-term. So I don't think they will change later. Wow Air had C27Y318 too, so probably no change. I heard that they will be used for Hajj flights like the A340s which had 354 seats.


The ex-Skymark birds used to have an all-PE cabin (2-3-2 abreast). Those seven frames that eventually came to TK had a full cabin reconfiguration. Economy seats were installed as the usual 2-4-2 configuration, and the business cabin got half-reclining Euro business kind of Business Seats (40 J seats, still within the limits of 1L-2L cabin). Wow Air's birds were re-configured differently. I guess they actually didn't have real full flat or 165 degrees reclining J seats (27 seats) but have PE type seats in 2-3-2 configuration (3 rows plus 4th row as 2-2-2). Now it's very obvious that they are leased exclusively for Hajj/Umrah flights but it's somehow questionable if they can replace the 4 veteran 343s on one to one basis.

If they are leased for short term (anything up to 2-4 years), my guess is that TK will not touch the cabins, at all. But I also guess that in the short to medium future TK will re-configure 3-4 of their oldest 333s (the 343 versions with Trents) to an all-economy cabin to replace the now-gone 343s.
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:27 pm

Based on end May DHMI statistics, here is pax traffic year to date:

IST+ISL -4%
SAW +2%
ESB -21%
ADB -12%
AYT +13%
ADA -13%
TZX -15%
Turkey -5.4% (Domestic -14%)

Economical situation is reflected to full extend on domestic traffic. Also ISL to IST transfer has not created yet any boost to Turkish Carriers. Only positive point is the Int tourism towards AYT.
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:30 pm

TK105 wrote:
Based on end May DHMI statistics, here is pax traffic year to date:

IST+ISL -4%
SAW +2%
ESB -21%
ADB -12%
AYT +13%
ADA -13%
TZX -15%
Turkey -5.4% (Domestic -14%)

Economical situation is reflected to full extend on domestic traffic. Also ISL to IST transfer has not created yet any boost to Turkish Carriers. Only positive point is the Int tourism towards AYT.


Dissapointing but good to see AYT up which is a result in EU charters starting to head back to that area again. Its a slow move back though but hopefully capacity will increase next year.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:33 pm

Wow, especially ESB figures are worrying... what happened?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:08 pm

That is pretty much inline with March numbers; where:
ISL+IST= -1.5%
SAW= +2.9%
AYT= +10%
ESB= -21%
ADB= -12%

and

AtlasGlobal traffic down 24%, Onur down 48%, Pegasus down 5%, Sunexpress down 9%.
Hope it picks up June, July, August and maybe by then capacity will be up with MAX returning, 6 x 789s joining.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:33 pm

TK787 wrote:
Hope it picks up June, July, August and maybe by then capacity will be up with MAX returning, 6 x 789s joining.

Any info about load-factors; is capacity the cause of the decline, or demand? If the latter, the MAX issues or only convenient.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:42 pm

Could the new IST have had an effect on these numbers as well?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:55 pm

stylo777 wrote:
Wow, especially ESB figures are worrying... what happened?

1- Economy is slow. Especially government funded infrastructure projects are halted. Money is not circulating.
2- Plane tickets are expensive and petrol prices are very cheap USD wise. Poeple are prefering to drive, rather than fly. For example round trip to Istanbul from Ankara costs only 400TL by car (C segment diesel car). But cost of plane ticket and taxi transfers is at least double of this even if you fly to SAW (new IST case is much worse). 2 years back, it was the other way around. Izmir-Istanbul case is also similar. In my company, we ask people to drive up to 4-5 hours drive distances, if longer than prefer plane.
3- People are saving and staying at home. I spoke to a friend from Istanbul today. He said that traffic is terrible which is odd for Eid holiday, when people used to visit holiday resorts and Istanbul was totally empty.
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