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Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:55 pm

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Wow, especially ESB figures are worrying... what happened?

1- Economy is slow. Especially government funded infrastructure projects are halted. Money is not circulating.
2- Plane tickets are expensive and petrol prices are very cheap USD wise. Poeple are prefering to drive, rather than fly. For example round trip to Istanbul from Ankara costs only 400TL by car (C segment diesel car). But cost of plane ticket and taxi transfers is at least double of this even if you fly to SAW (new IST case is much worse). 2 years back, it was the other way around. Izmir-Istanbul case is also similar. In my company, we ask people to drive up to 4-5 hours drive distances, if longer than prefer plane.
3- People are saving and staying at home. I spoke to a friend from Istanbul today. He said that traffic is terrible which is odd for Eid holiday, when people used to visit holiday resorts and Istanbul was totally empty.
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:03 pm

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Hope it picks up June, July, August and maybe by then capacity will be up with MAX returning, 6 x 789s joining.

Any info about load-factors; is capacity the cause of the decline, or demand? If the latter, the MAX issues or only convenient.

I think demand is low, due to slowdown in the economy in Turkey, but MAXs and 789s will help the transfer International pax, which might help some, at least IST numbers.
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:09 am

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And which seats? Same as were in WOW Air? Oh my God!
Will they be replaced later? Are these aicraft planned to fly also outside Turkey?
According to TK investor presentation, these two birds are leased for short-term. So I don't think they will change later. Wow Air had C27Y318 too, so probably no change. I heard that they will be used for Hajj flights like the A340s which had 354 seats.


The ex-Skymark birds used to have an all-PE cabin (2-3-2 abreast). Those seven frames that eventually came to TK had a full cabin reconfiguration. Economy seats were installed as the usual 2-4-2 configuration, and the business cabin got half-reclining Euro business kind of Business Seats (40 J seats, still within the limits of 1L-2L cabin). Wow Air's birds were re-configured differently. I guess they actually didn't have real full flat or 165 degrees reclining J seats (27 seats) but have PE type seats in 2-3-2 configuration (3 rows plus 4th row as 2-2-2). Now it's very obvious that they are leased exclusively for Hajj/Umrah flights but it's somehow questionable if they can replace the 4 veteran 343s on one to one basis.

If they are leased for short term (anything up to 2-4 years), my guess is that TK will not touch the cabins, at all. But I also guess that in the short to medium future TK will re-configure 3-4 of their oldest 333s (the 343 versions with Trents) to an all-economy cabin to replace the now-gone 343s.



According to seatmaps.org, ex wow 330 have only 14 business (big seats). My guees, they shrink economy and add 2 more rows of business seats. I will try get some pictures next week.

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Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:06 am

Turkish Airlines 789 TC-LLA was due for its first flight but was delayed in what appears to be an engine issue

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Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:23 pm

As per planespotters, TC-LNA & TC-LNB (ex Kingfisher), the only 18C/251Y -200s in TK's fleet are due to leave to Hi Fly.
AT42 A223 A318 A319 A320 A20N A321 A332 A333 A359 B734 B737 B738 B739 B74M B762 B77W E70 E75 E95
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:13 pm

Looking at TK's JFK-IST flights on June 13th, all 3 nonstops are operated by A330-300s.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:31 pm

Just landed at IST from BJV there were no flights available because of bayram and managed to find 2 seats on KK and got a chance to fly their A330 it was all economy seating and was delayed over 1 hour
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Here is the time from touchdown to full stop at the new IST from there bus ride to terminal 7 minutes. Just not convenient, why build a mega terminal with so many gates if you are going to bus people. Is this KK domestic specific?
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:26 pm

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:02 pm

Is this a picture of KKs current A330 cabin? Is it the same as back in 2011?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Atlasje ... 23/1961074
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:39 pm

TC-JTE got a special livery for Miles and Smiles recently. That explains why it was gone over to Ataturk Airport for a bit.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:02 am

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Turkish Airlines 789 TC-LLA was due for its first flight but was delayed in what appears to be an engine issue

Hopefully this is not because of something related to military cooperation between countries!
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:53 am

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qf789 wrote:
Turkish Airlines 789 TC-LLA was due for its first flight but was delayed in what appears to be an engine issue

Hopefully this is not because of something related to military cooperation between countries!

It is not. GE put on a press release that the news about engine trouble is wrong.
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:54 am

TC-LLA the first 789 for TK is due for delivery 25th of June

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:54 am

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, why build a mega terminal with so many gates if you are going to bus people. Is this KK domestic specific?


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This decision is operator specific. They wanted to save some money and not use the jetbridge.
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:19 pm

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Is this a picture of KKs current A330 cabin? Is it the same as back in 2011?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Atlasje ... 23/1961074


Doesnt seem that way. There is no IFE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQ3qZDFa7c
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:46 pm

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Is this a picture of KKs current A330 cabin? Is it the same as back in 2011?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Atlasje ... 23/1961074


Doesnt seem that way. There is no IFE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQ3qZDFa7c


Thank you for the link, the cabin looks quite ok. Interesting their seats are configured as 3-3-3.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:37 pm

Blerg wrote:
HeyTK wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Is this a picture of KKs current A330 cabin? Is it the same as back in 2011?

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Atlasje ... 23/1961074


Doesnt seem that way. There is no IFE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQ3qZDFa7c


Thank you for the link, the cabin looks quite ok. Interesting their seats are configured as 3-3-3.


As per my AirAsiaX experiences, the 3-3-3 configuration is rather uncomfortable. Good to know so I won't pick a flight with the KK 330's..
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:52 pm

Where does TC-LOJ come from? Its a 4 year old new aircraft. ex-WOW maybe? Also the first time i've seen a A330 operate to Samsun.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:18 pm

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Blerg wrote:
HeyTK wrote:

Doesnt seem that way. There is no IFE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqQ3qZDFa7c


Thank you for the link, the cabin looks quite ok. Interesting their seats are configured as 3-3-3.


As per my AirAsiaX experiences, the 3-3-3 configuration is rather uncomfortable. Good to know so I won't pick a flight with the KK 330's..


Their A321s have a seatpitch of 30' so I guess it's the same on the 332.
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:51 pm

Blerg wrote:
aldrigsomandre wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Thank you for the link, the cabin looks quite ok. Interesting their seats are configured as 3-3-3.


As per my AirAsiaX experiences, the 3-3-3 configuration is rather uncomfortable. Good to know so I won't pick a flight with the KK 330's..


Their A321s have a seatpitch of 30' so I guess it's the same on the 332.


Actually the problem is the seat width. Especially for taller people like myself..
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:36 pm

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gokmengs wrote:
, why build a mega terminal with so many gates if you are going to bus people. Is this KK domestic specific?


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This decision is operator specific. They wanted to save some money and not use the jetbridge.


Actually not, TQ and 8Q face the same situation when aircraft arrives domestic and departs international (and vice versa).
I was so frustrated when i landed from London with TK and got a bus, like you, after 30min of taxiiing, this airport is great for connecting pax but local demand is left out with both IST and SAW so far fron city centre
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:37 pm

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Where does TC-LOJ come from? Its a 4 year old new aircraft. ex-WOW maybe? Also the first time i've seen a A330 operate to Samsun.

Yep, it was OE-IIU. It's been reregistered to TC-LOJ when it joined TK's fleet.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:59 am

For fun video check out food blogger Mikey Chen who traveled on TK to HKG and visited the new TK IST lounges.
Obviously, the food is his primary interest, but he does have good general travel comments being such a widely traveled person.

https://youtu.be/9T2QlLVw-tM
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:48 am

I didn't like his attitude in that video. I have watched maybe a hundred of these trip reports and reviews of TK and I think most of them have been quite fair and good but this is the only vlogger that I thought was arrogant and nonsensical with his comments. Trying to pull off a poor imitation of Gordon Ramsay. I liked Sam Chui, Josh Cahill, Sanspotter's reviews better.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:53 am

You have a point.
I watch a l ot of these also and what I found was, people like to watch other people like themselves in these vlogs. No sarcasm, not a whole lot of complaints, happy and positive experiences with naivety. I like to watch first timers on an A380 getting excited, or a couple tasting sangria for the first time and I like people that are respectful of other cultures and genuinely interested in tasting different foods with a sense of curiosity. I like people that travel in busses for 12 hours, take trains overnight in coach and by coincidence get upgraded to J and enjoy all 3 trips.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:24 pm


I can count 5 TK MAXs waiting to be delivered :(
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 1:15 pm

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I can count 5 TK MAXs waiting to be delivered :(


Do you think that the Turkish public will trust the MAX ever again?
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:47 pm

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Do you think that the Turkish public will trust the MAX ever again?

I am usually not very good at predicting things but...
Turks have a great adaptation gene. They can adapt to almost anything in no time and easily forget the past.
If you ask the average Ahmet on the street, 99.9% of them will not be able to remember the Pegasus 737 running off the runway at Trabzon or the TK 737 Amsterdam crash.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:41 pm

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aldrigsomandre wrote:
Do you think that the Turkish public will trust the MAX ever again?

I am usually not very good at predicting things but...
Turks have a great adaptation gene. They can adapt to almost anything in no time and easily forget the past.
If you ask the average Ahmet on the street, 99.9% of them will not be able to remember the Pegasus 737 running off the runway at Trabzon or the TK 737 Amsterdam crash.


Thank you for your insight. I just asked, because, I remember at the time of BoraJet's transition from turboprops to jet aircraft, there was talk of Turks not trusting certain types of aircraft, hence, preferring not to fly on board some.

I thought maybe it might be the case with the MAX as well.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:21 pm

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BoraJet's transition from turboprops to jet aircraft, there was talk of Turks not trusting certain types of aircraft, hence, preferring not to fly on board some.

I thought maybe it might be the case with the MAX as well.

"Turboprops" is a different story. People will definitely see a difference when they see the props, especially boarding the plane from the tarmac. They might see props as "older model"/"not modern". I imagine that was the main drawback. But in terms of non turboprops, not even 1% of the flying public in Turkey would know the difference between a 747, 340, E190, 737, 320 or IL-96 :)
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:03 am

Apparently TK is announcing new routes soon. I DMd them a question about the suspension of the Khartoum route on Twitter but for whatever reason their response was that they have an announcement regarding new routes up their sleeves.
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:29 am

Slight TK incident on the IST-DBV flight. Before landing the flight crew reported issues with the hydraulic system. On the plane landed they noticed that the wheel doors as well as the cargo hold door were open.

https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatsk ... %2bprometa
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:55 am

How is Intl to domestic connection at the new airport? Is it like old IST where you need to clear customs then walk from intl arrivals to domestic departures? Or can you go to domestic terminal after customs without clearing security again? Also is it separate entrance again for J passengers with a bus from the lounge to the gate?
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:24 pm

mict wrote:
How is Intl to domestic connection at the new airport? Is it like old IST where you need to clear customs then walk from intl arrivals to domestic departures? Or can you go to domestic terminal after customs without clearing security again? Also is it separate entrance again for J passengers with a bus from the lounge to the gate?

Here is a video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ-b2Zb5UlU
and also there is long version by a passenger:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDbj66zFcJ0

J pax might be bussed from the airplane to the arrivals hall with separate bus if no jetbridge is used and still they are bussed from the Domestic lounge to the airplane.
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:39 pm

Here we go people:
First TK787 is ready for first flight in an hour and a half; :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KMWH
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:16 pm

:(
I think there must be a delay.
First LY 789 took of for test run, not shown on flightaware, as BOE821, maybe for security reasons.
Now BOE293, a UPS 767-300 is doing some test circles over KPAE, not sure when the TK will be airborne :(
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:15 pm

Sorry folks :( Looks like after 2 hours of waiting and pushing the takeoff time first flight is cancelled again :(
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:33 pm

Wondering what Ataturk airport is like nowadays? Any insights?
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:22 pm

mict wrote:
How is Intl to domestic connection at the new airport? Is it like old IST where you need to clear customs then walk from intl arrivals to domestic departures? Or can you go to domestic terminal after customs without clearing security again? Also is it separate entrance again for J passengers with a bus from the lounge to the gate?


I have not flown TK business recently - TK has been way too expensive vis-a-vis other carriers of the same or better quality on routes to both Asia and North America - but I can share my economy class (i.e. no frills) international-to-domestic and vice versa transfer experience (flying from Europe via Istanbul to Izmir and back).

i) Plane taxing times after landing / before take off are insane, I suggest adding up at least 1 hour on the top of your minimum required / recommended connecting time to make sure you do not miss your connection. Landing after my first flight, it took us around 35 min to reach the gate (around midnight), on flying out of the domestic gates we taxied around 25 min (with almost no traffic at 2am), on flying in from Izmir we taxied again around 25 min to a remote stand (around 2pm), and finally when flying out from the international gates we needed another 30 min before taking off (around 5pm with only a few planes in front of us in the queue).

ii) The terminal is massively big so be prepared for a lot of walking. My incoming international flight docked at gate A11 and my outgoing domestic one was from gate G7 - this required a good 1 hour of walking. On the way back, we were "lucky" to be bussed to the center of the terminal and from there I needed "only" 20 min to reach gate B12 for my international flight. There are apparently buggies that can drive you around - at the price of €16, if I understood well.

iii) Under normal circumstances, you will not have to clear customs in Istanbul. There is a very detailed explanation on the website of TK but in essence as long as your destination domestic airport has customs control (which should be the case in the majority of the cases, but a full list is available on the TK website as well), you clear customs there - what they do is split the luggage of the passengers, whereby the luggage of purely domestic passengers is routed to domestic arrivals while the luggage of international transfer passengers is routed to international arrivals. On the way back, you obviously do not need to go through customs in Istanbul if your luggage is checked through to your final destination.

iv) Nevertheless, both ways you will have to clear first passport control and then security (non-event for me as the wait was no more than 5 minutes in all occasions).

I hope this covers what you were looking to understand - any other questions, feel free to ask.
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:49 pm

I flew from ist on Monday, quite ok and taxi time was just 15 minutes, but plane was parked at remote ares, it kale a 7 minutes ride to go to plane (a1 gate)
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:04 pm

L ets discuss about wb fleet.
Real er wb fleet is 5 A332, 29 A333, 30 B777 means a total of 64.
By mid 2020 Tk will have 20 new er frames (15B789 +5 A359) and later 25 or 30 of 789/359
I know that 5 Leased A332s will be phased iut in 2020 and remaining 8 over the next 5 years, somy assumption is that 10-13 A333 will take roles of leased A332s (unless TK orders or leases other machines) but still a big expantion, does any body know new destinations or increased frequency to utilize new capacity?
Smooth increase on Japan or Latam have been announced but nothing yet announced for US,

Second question is any chance for ulr order in 2019? 779/778 vs A359-351ulr, Ayci has mentioned several times that will be finalzed within H2’2019, my expactation is aroud 10 frames for Famous AUS and latam routes.

Third question is where freed up 332/333and 77W will be deployed, some of 333 will replace leased 332s but not sure about rest
Last but not least, I think TK should be an eArly customer for 797 and take some advantages, lt can deployed st majority of African, ME, CIS, indian, Paki etc routes

All comments are appreciated
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:17 pm

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Wondering what Ataturk airport is like nowadays? Any insights?

I flew from Ataturk on last Friday from General Aviation, the airport and the terminal looked eerily desolate saw few Turkish cargo planes, Kalitta 747 maybe 2, 2-3 737 max’s by the GA area all plugged up, landed back on Saturday evening there was 1 other GA aircraft movement, the tower gave us a follow me car it was pretty cool took a short video of it. Nothing to talk about as there isn’t much going on there, its an odd feeling seeing how quiet it is compared to before.


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Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:55 pm

Great insight and thanks for your quick response gokmen! Apart from GA and Cargo movement (and maybe maintenance...), are there actually people still working at the terminal offices or is it completely locked up (or even started to tear down)?
 
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:05 am

stylo777 wrote:
Wondering what Ataturk airport is like nowadays? Any insights?


Seems to be completely deserted and rumored that mice have started to settle in. Recently it was written that DHMI will be starting "protective maintenance work" whatever that may mean! :roll: :confused:
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:09 pm

Good morning folk. I Will pass trough the new airport on Sunday. Wonder of someone can suggest a place to stay where i can do some carefully spotting like i did at the old airport. I will depart to Frankfurt. Thanx very much.
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:44 pm

mxp wrote:
Good morning folk. I Will pass trough the new airport on Sunday. Wonder of someone can suggest a place to stay where i can do some carefully spotting like i did at the old airport. I will depart to Frankfurt. Thanx very much.
Alberto


As far as I know: no suitable spot like the Fly-Inn Cafe at the Old Airport's vicinity. Even if you go out, the vicinity of the (New) Airport is declared as a military zone".
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Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:14 pm

Taxi test for Turkish Airlines first 789 TC-LLA

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Turkish Airlines 789 TC-LLA taxiing for first flight

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TC-LLA lining up for departure for her first flight

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