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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:44 pm
by TK787
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I was able to catch it land by pure luck :)

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:50 pm
by stylo777
TK787 wrote:
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I was able to catch it land by pure luck :)

after so so many years, you in particular must be so happy and proud to see this beauty flying :)

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:56 pm
by qf789
TK787 wrote:
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I was able to catch it land by pure luck :)


Good catch, here is another photo of it landing at PAE

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https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/11 ... 03840?s=20

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:08 pm
by TK787
Maybe they should name it "TK787", simple enough :)

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:15 pm
by AirbusA343
I can't be the only one who thinks the Dreamliner tail looks gorgeous in the TK livery?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:11 pm
by HeyTK
Are the economy seats all gonna be black leathered with gold detailing or blue/red/green colored like the A330/B777 fleet?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:42 am
by gokmengs
What an awesome sight, TK fliers are lucky we get variety. When and how often will this aircraft fly IST-AYT? I need to go to AYT for business :)

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:47 am
by qf789
Turkish Airlines 789 TC-LLA lining up for B1 flight while TC-LLB sits on the flightline

Also TC-LLC is due to roll out of final assembly tomorrow and TC-LLD is currently in final assembly should roll out around the 22nd of June

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https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/11 ... 45921?s=20

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:36 pm
by TK787
HeyTK wrote:
Are the economy seats all gonna be black leathered with gold detailing or blue/red/green colored like the A330/B777 fleet?

I can't seem the find the photos, but IIRC, they will be mostly red/burgundy with the "flow" theme, similar to the colors of the new uniforms.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:51 pm
by TK787
gokmengs wrote:
What an awesome sight, TK fliers are lucky we get variety. When and how often will this aircraft fly IST-AYT? I need to go to AYT for business :)

I could find the routesonline news:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-3q19/
And looking at TK timetables for July8th:
TK2410 8:35am 789 J is 810.99
TK2420 4:45pm 789 J is 660.99
Bon Voyage.
Not sure how accurate this is, since first 789 will be delivered on June25th, no flights for almost 2 weeks??

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:36 pm
by TK787

There she is :)
Happy travels and Safe landings, hope to meet you in couple of months :)

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:56 pm
by Delta28L
TK787 wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
What an awesome sight, TK fliers are lucky we get variety. When and how often will this aircraft fly IST-AYT? I need to go to AYT for business :)

I could find the routesonline news:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-3q19/
And looking at TK timetables for July8th:
TK2410 8:35am 789 J is 810.99
TK2420 4:45pm 789 J is 660.99
Bon Voyage.
Not sure how accurate this is, since first 789 will be delivered on June25th, no flights for almost 2 weeks??


They’ll be using that time to teach ground school to the mechanics and airport staff so they are ready for first day of operations. Time to do proving runs for the aviation authorities as well. Quite common for airlines to do this to train their staff before starting flights.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:06 pm
by TK787
Delta28L wrote:

They’ll be using that time to teach ground school to the mechanics and airport staff so they are ready for first day of operations. Time to do proving runs for the aviation authorities as well. Quite common for airlines to do this to train their staff before starting flights.

Correct. IIRC, in the past; with other types of aircraft; this time frame has been shorter than 2 weeks, more like 7-10 days. I guess a few days is not that much of a difference but I remember; not two weeks. That is why I asked.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:48 pm
by mafaky
TK787 wrote:
Delta28L wrote:

They’ll be using that time to teach ground school to the mechanics and airport staff so they are ready for first day of operations. Time to do proving runs for the aviation authorities as well. Quite common for airlines to do this to train their staff before starting flights.

Correct. IIRC, in the past; with other types of aircraft; this time frame has been shorter than 2 weeks, more like 7-10 days. I guess a few days is not that much of a difference but I remember; not two weeks. That is why I asked.


If the delivery can be made on 25th (US West Coast time, say around mid-day), tC-llA can be expected in IST sometime late hours during the 26th. So that will be 4 days till the end of June. Count another 7 days at the beginning of July: that makes up to 11 days (max).

My prediction is that TC-LLA will be stationed at ISL (AHL Airport) for most of that period, and will fly back to IST for her first commercial flight.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:43 am
by ankaraflyjet
Canadian Civil Aviation Authority offered 2 slots per week for YVR IST
It is up to TK to accept it now
TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal was declined
I sincerely hope TK goes forward with Vancouver launch, it will be a good start for a new beginning

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:06 am
by stylo777
Which market could they possibly serve with a twice weekly YVR flight?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:12 am
by Yakamoz
ankaraflyjet wrote:
Canadian Civil Aviation Authority offered 2 slots per week for YVR IST
It is up to TK to accept it now
TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal was declined
I sincerely hope TK goes forward with Vancouver launch, it will be a good start for a new beginning
Interesting!
May you share the link for this news please?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:17 am
by ankaraflyjet
This is not a press release
I am a Turkish Canadian and Director at CANADA Turkey Business Council
I know the developments very well
Have been working on YVR behind the scenes for 5 years now

Yakamoz wrote:
ankaraflyjet wrote:
Canadian Civil Aviation Authority offered 2 slots per week for YVR IST
It is up to TK to accept it now
TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal was declined
I sincerely hope TK goes forward with Vancouver launch, it will be a good start for a new beginning
Interesting!
May you share the link for this news please?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:44 pm
by bahadir
Landed on the new airport last Monday and will fly back to Prague this coming Monday. My arrival experience was very positive. Shot some videos as well. I will try to do the same on departure and see if I can put together a video with my personal experience.

Because I mentioned my positive experience about the airport on Facebook I have been getting accused of being a Akp member. Everything is black or white according to some Turks.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:16 pm
by gokmengs
TK787 wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
What an awesome sight, TK fliers are lucky we get variety. When and how often will this aircraft fly IST-AYT? I need to go to AYT for business :)

I could find the routesonline news:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-3q19/
And looking at TK timetables for July8th:
TK2410 8:35am 789 J is 810.99
TK2420 4:45pm 789 J is 660.99
Bon Voyage.
Not sure how accurate this is, since first 789 will be delivered on June25th, no flights for almost 2 weeks??

Just booked J for teh outgoing have some business there anyways:) Ill catch the return hopefully.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:43 pm
by TK787
gokmengs wrote:
Just booked J for teh outgoing have some business there anyways:) Ill catch the return hopefully.

Awesome, were you able to get a seat assignment? I wonder if TK has the J seat map yet??

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:45 pm
by ARNbased
Does anyone know when TK will launch their new Versace amenity kits, announced early April?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:30 pm
by TK105
ankaraflyjet wrote:
Canadian Civil Aviation Authority offered 2 slots per week for YVR IST
It is up to TK to accept it now
TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal was declined
I sincerely hope TK goes forward with Vancouver launch, it will be a good start for a new beginning

Lets hope Edmonton and/or Calgary will be next.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:37 pm
by Mystic
For how long will the 787 be operational on Antalya route? I assume that it will be changed back to the 777 after some time?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:51 pm
by Thenoflyzone
ankaraflyjet wrote:
Canadian Civil Aviation Authority offered 2 slots per week for YVR IST
It is up to TK to accept it now
TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal was declined
I sincerely hope TK goes forward with Vancouver launch, it will be a good start for a new beginning


It doesn't sound like Canada to enforce a location (YVR) where TK can use these supposed extra 2x weekly frequencies.

Canada's latest increases with countries like the U.A.E, Qatar, Jordan, Algeria or Egypt have included frequency increases to any points in Canada.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/c ... 57261.html

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/c ... 65859.html

Why would it be different with Turkey?

You need to elaborate.

Do you mean no slots were available at YYZ or YUL due to congestion? If TK requested a 5 or 6 pm arrival at YYZ and was denied by the GTAA, that is something else entirely, and doesn't involve the Canadian government.

I highly doubt the Canadian government told TK you can't increase YYZ/YUL but can fly to YVR.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:58 pm
by AAEK192
When will TK debut its new uniforms?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:16 pm
by Mystic
AAEK192 wrote:
When will TK debut its new uniforms?


I heard that they were in the process of changing their uniforms recently. It might be soon!

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:40 pm
by NK89
I'm sure Turkish Airlines would do very well on IST-YVR if it is launched. Since TK has a wide international network from Istanbul, lots of demand overall will be simulated to many connecting destinations.

I don't think Calgary or Edmonton will be served anytime soon. Out of the two, Calgary has a much higher chance of being launched. KLM is the only airline serving Edmonton outside of North America, and no others seem interested in serving the market. As long as Canada restricts TK's access to YUL and YYZ (and with limited frequencies to YVR) I don't see Calgary happening anytime soon. Emirates also wants to fly to Calgary and Vancouver but they've also been denied access, so Turkish Airlines isn't going to be given as many landing rights as they want.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:20 am
by YYZORD
I'm just wondering why TK would be restricted as a *A carrier. AC could gain pax from IST-YVR to western canada destinations along with transborder SEA, PDX, & SDF. LAS and PHX could also be transborder destinations but they have better options through UA flights at LAX and SFO to connect on TK. Just look at how well EK is doing at SEA, they are bringing pax to YVR, YYC, YEG, etc. through AS which they gain too.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:28 am
by bahadir
To will be better off to serve SEA X5-7 per week than x2 YVR

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:35 am
by behramjee
ankaraflyjet wrote:
This is not a press release
I am a Turkish Canadian and Director at CANADA Turkey Business Council
I know the developments very well
Have been working on YVR behind the scenes for 5 years now

Yakamoz wrote:
ankaraflyjet wrote:
Canadian Civil Aviation Authority offered 2 slots per week for YVR IST
It is up to TK to accept it now
TK’s request for additional slots at Toronto and Montreal was declined
I sincerely hope TK goes forward with Vancouver launch, it will be a good start for a new beginning
Interesting!
May you share the link for this news please?


Thank you for providing this info. TK launched YUL with a 3 weekly frequency few years ago and that is the bare minimum they will accept to launch any new long haul service. They wont launch YVR with a 2 weekly frequency as it has to be 3 to be relatively viable and competitive. Its an ideal B789 route for them to use the plane for. From a seat factor point of view, they wont have any issues, but yields will be quite challenging especially outside of peak summer period.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:24 am
by HB-IWC
As also mentioned by some previous poster, I have a hard time to believe that TK (or morel likely Turkey) would be offered two YVR-specific frequencies. It is more likely that Turkey was granted an expansion from the current 9 to 11 weekly roundtrips to Canada and TK may well opt to make YYZ a daily service and reinforce YUL to 4 weekly. If YVR is launched, it will be at least thrice weekly and would therefore come at the expense of one weekly YYZ roundtrip.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:46 am
by YYZORD
Most likely this will be TK's Canadian setup

3X weekly YUL
3X weekly YVR
5X weekly YYZ

This makes frequencies equal and covers all major areas of Canada. EK and EY flies 5X weekly to YYZ so I don't see why TK wouldn't give up one weekly YYZ flight for 3X weekly YVR. There is a demand for it, those TK pax are driving down to SEA and catching the EK flight instead of transiting at YYZ or YUL so there is a huge leakage atm in cross border. Currently there are no one stop options for destinations in countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, or even Sri Lanka unless you go through China with too long of a transit.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:18 am
by Ishrion
YYZORD wrote:
Most likely this will be TK's Canadian setup

3X weekly YUL
3X weekly YVR
5X weekly YYZ

This makes frequencies equal and covers all major areas of Canada. EK and EY flies 5X weekly to YYZ so I don't see why TK wouldn't give up one weekly YYZ flight for 3X weekly YVR. There is a demand for it, those TK pax are driving down to SEA and catching the EK flight instead of transiting at YYZ or YUL so there is a huge leakage atm in cross border. Currently there are no one stop options for destinations in countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, or even Sri Lanka unless you go through China with too long of a transit.


Really? People are driving to Seattle just for the EK flight? Where’d you hear that?

And what do you mean there are no one stop options? PIA flies directly from Toronto to Karachi, Islamabad, and Lahore?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:21 am
by YYZORD
Does AC or WS codeshare with PIA? No. You have to buy two seperate flight tickets and that can be extremely risky considering there could be delays due to weather, aircraft not good for service, etc. I mean some drive down to SEA, some fly AS to SEA from YVR and then take the EK flight, some even bus down to SEA to catch the EK flight. Many options right here, the pax is there but YVR is losing that pax to SEA thanks to all these restrictions put in place.

Ishrion wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
Most likely this will be TK's Canadian setup

3X weekly YUL
3X weekly YVR
5X weekly YYZ

This makes frequencies equal and covers all major areas of Canada. EK and EY flies 5X weekly to YYZ so I don't see why TK wouldn't give up one weekly YYZ flight for 3X weekly YVR. There is a demand for it, those TK pax are driving down to SEA and catching the EK flight instead of transiting at YYZ or YUL so there is a huge leakage atm in cross border. Currently there are no one stop options for destinations in countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, or even Sri Lanka unless you go through China with too long of a transit.


Really? People are driving to Seattle just for the EK flight? Where’d you hear that?

And what do you mean there are no one stop options? PIA flies directly from Toronto to Karachi, Islamabad, and Lahore?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:42 am
by Fuling
YYZORD wrote:
Does AC or WS codeshare with PIA? No. You have to buy two seperate flight tickets and that can be extremely risky considering there could be delays due to weather, aircraft not good for service, etc. I mean some drive down to SEA, some fly AS to SEA from YVR and then take the EK flight, some even bus down to SEA to catch the EK flight. Many options right here, the pax is there but YVR is losing that pax to SEA thanks to all these restrictions put in place.

Ishrion wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
Most likely this will be TK's Canadian setup

3X weekly YUL
3X weekly YVR
5X weekly YYZ

This makes frequencies equal and covers all major areas of Canada. EK and EY flies 5X weekly to YYZ so I don't see why TK wouldn't give up one weekly YYZ flight for 3X weekly YVR. There is a demand for it, those TK pax are driving down to SEA and catching the EK flight instead of transiting at YYZ or YUL so there is a huge leakage atm in cross border. Currently there are no one stop options for destinations in countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, or even Sri Lanka unless you go through China with too long of a transit.


Really? People are driving to Seattle just for the EK flight? Where’d you hear that?

And what do you mean there are no one stop options? PIA flies directly from Toronto to Karachi, Islamabad, and Lahore?



EK also has a codeshare bus services between SEA and YVR. There is definitely demand.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... n-in-4q16/

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:22 am
by Ishrion
YYZORD wrote:
Does AC or WS codeshare with PIA? No. You have to buy two seperate flight tickets and that can be extremely risky considering there could be delays due to weather, aircraft not good for service, etc. I mean some drive down to SEA, some fly AS to SEA from YVR and then take the EK flight, some even bus down to SEA to catch the EK flight. Many options right here, the pax is there but YVR is losing that pax to SEA thanks to all these restrictions put in place.

Ishrion wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
Most likely this will be TK's Canadian setup

3X weekly YUL
3X weekly YVR
5X weekly YYZ

This makes frequencies equal and covers all major areas of Canada. EK and EY flies 5X weekly to YYZ so I don't see why TK wouldn't give up one weekly YYZ flight for 3X weekly YVR. There is a demand for it, those TK pax are driving down to SEA and catching the EK flight instead of transiting at YYZ or YUL so there is a huge leakage atm in cross border. Currently there are no one stop options for destinations in countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, or even Sri Lanka unless you go through China with too long of a transit.


Really? People are driving to Seattle just for the EK flight? Where’d you hear that?

And what do you mean there are no one stop options? PIA flies directly from Toronto to Karachi, Islamabad, and Lahore?


Ah, if it’s Air Canada/Westjet partners only, that makes more sense.

Also, just wondering, why do you post your replies at the top of the quotes?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:31 am
by YYZORD
Oh cause i've been doing it since I joined the forum, never saw it any different from replying below the last post.

Ishrion wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
Does AC or WS codeshare with PIA? No. You have to buy two seperate flight tickets and that can be extremely risky considering there could be delays due to weather, aircraft not good for service, etc. I mean some drive down to SEA, some fly AS to SEA from YVR and then take the EK flight, some even bus down to SEA to catch the EK flight. Many options right here, the pax is there but YVR is losing that pax to SEA thanks to all these restrictions put in place.

Ishrion wrote:

Really? People are driving to Seattle just for the EK flight? Where’d you hear that?

And what do you mean there are no one stop options? PIA flies directly from Toronto to Karachi, Islamabad, and Lahore?


Ah, if it’s Air Canada/Westjet partners only, that makes more sense.

Also, just wondering, why do you post your replies at the top of the quotes?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:11 am
by qf789
Turkish Airlines first 789 TC-LLA is scheduled for landscape camera system testing later today

https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/11 ... 96128?s=20

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:05 pm
by Mystic
What are the delivery dates for LLB and LLC?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:05 pm
by gokmengs
TK787 wrote:
gokmengs wrote:
Just booked J for teh outgoing have some business there anyways:) Ill catch the return hopefully.

Awesome, were you able to get a seat assignment? I wonder if TK has the J seat map yet??

Not yet, when I pull up the reservation from the map it shows the ac as 787 but says “your fare class doesnt allow for paid seat selection” or something like that


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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:52 pm
by Mystic
British Airways 787-9 BA36 from Chennai made a emergency divert to IST because of engine issues. It has been confirmed that the right engine leaked fuel.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:45 pm
by Blerg
How does TK schedule their A321neo? Any special way or do they schedule it as a direct replacement for the older A321s?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:53 pm
by qf789
Mystic wrote:
What are the delivery dates for LLB and LLC?


At the moment no dates have been published however I would say LLB would be within the first few days of July and LLC would be mid July

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:28 am
by AirbusA343
Blerg wrote:
How does TK schedule their A321neo? Any special way or do they schedule it as a direct replacement for the older A321s?

A bit of both. The A321neos spend most of their time on some of the longest A321 routes such as Lisbon, Manchester, Abu Dhabi, Dushanbe and Dublin. However, they also spend a lot of time on other routes, especially recently.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:37 pm
by Blerg
AirbusA343 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
How does TK schedule their A321neo? Any special way or do they schedule it as a direct replacement for the older A321s?

A bit of both. The A321neos spend most of their time on some of the longest A321 routes such as Lisbon, Manchester, Abu Dhabi, Dushanbe and Dublin. However, they also spend a lot of time on other routes, especially recently.


Thank you, I see they have become a regular in BEG and the plane mostly comes from the Middle East before continuing to here. Would be interesting to find out how much they are actually saving on fuel.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:29 pm
by Thenoflyzone
HB-IWC wrote:
As also mentioned by some previous poster, I have a hard time to believe that TK (or morel likely Turkey) would be offered two YVR-specific frequencies. It is more likely that Turkey was granted an expansion from the current 9 to 11 weekly roundtrips to Canada and TK may well opt to make YYZ a daily service and reinforce YUL to 4 weekly. If YVR is launched, it will be at least thrice weekly and would therefore come at the expense of one weekly YYZ roundtrip.


:checkmark:

If TK was offered 2x weekly frequencies, it is non sense to think they wont at least try to make YYZ daily. If YVR was that important to TK, they would have launched it ahead of YUL back in 2014. They didn't.

NK89 wrote:
KLM is the only airline serving Edmonton outside of North America, and no others seem interested in serving the market.


Icelandair flies to YEG, and last time I checked, Iceland was part of Europe, not North America.

YYZORD wrote:
Currently there are no one stop options for destinations in countries like Pakistan, Nepal, Bangladesh, or even Sri Lanka unless you go through China with too long of a transit.


Incorrect. BA flies to Parkistan (Islamabad) and YVR.

Also, China is closer to the great circle route from YVR to places like Sri Lanka or Pakistan compared to any hub in Europe (including IST). So overall distance wise, it makes sense to transit in China when flying from YVR to the countries you mention.

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Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:36 pm
by peterinlisbon
stylo777 wrote:
Wow, especially ESB figures are worrying... what happened?


I think it could have something to do with the High Speed Train from finally reaching Istanbul (Bostanci, Sogutlucesme, Bakirkoy) instead of terminating at Pendik. Since the fares on the train are fixed, that's got to take a fair amount of traffic away from the airlines, especially as the new airport is far away. There's probably a similar effect on flights to Konya.

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:48 pm
by aldrigsomandre
peterinlisbon wrote:
stylo777 wrote:
Wow, especially ESB figures are worrying... what happened?


I think it could have something to do with the High Speed Train from finally reaching Istanbul (Bostanci, Sogutlucesme, Bakirkoy) instead of terminating at Pendik. Since the fares on the train are fixed, that's got to take a fair amount of traffic away from the airlines, especially as the new airport is far away. There's probably a similar effect on flights to Konya.


I took the train to Ankara and from a time point of view, it ended up being a lot more efficient. So I get that.
Also, at the Tourism Conference, some Turkish colleagues mentioned that ESB really needs rail connections to be more competitive. Why isn't the municipality getting on that?

Re: Turkish Aviation June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:15 pm
by TK105
aldrigsomandre wrote:
Also, at the Tourism Conference, some Turkish colleagues mentioned that ESB really needs rail connections to be more competitive. Why isn't the municipality getting on that?

I do not want to start a political debate here, but I think selection of location of ESB is even worse than new IST and it is not over natural roads of Ankara which is very difficult to reach from city center. Therefore a railway or subway investment will be very expensive and inefficient. I sometimes wonder if it is a concidence that ESB was built by DP and new IST is built by AKP!