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Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:03 am

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread for June 2019. Please continue to add your comments below.

Link to last thread:

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:04 am

With Malindo’s upcoming new service to Sydney in August this will be SYD’s 40th international passenger airline.
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:08 am

^^from a vic based av geek , "yippee". Something to be proud of, but very much expected. MEL and AVV is snapping at your heels. :box: :box: :box:
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:34 am

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^^from a vic based av geek , "yippee". Something to be proud of, but very much expected. MEL and AVV is snapping at your heels. :box: :box: :box:


OK I'll spar :box: :box: :box:

MEL will be at 34 once Air Vanuatu starts. Impressive too.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:07 am

Indonesia AirAsia is set to start flights between Perth and Lombok on June 9, Jetstar has previously operated this route and axed it a little under a year of they started flying the route. Does QZ & Lombok have the pull to make this route financially viable?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:00 am

LOP-PER is basically point to point for QZ, even though they are a LCC. Whereas JQ did have limited connections at PER.

I suspect QZ won't last long on LOP-PER either.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:04 am

Malindo will indeed be Sydney's 40th international carrier. I was going to say that it would be a short lived achievement with Hainan pulling out, but I forgot that they have recently launched SYD-HAK so they are not gone (yet).

Melbourne is 34 once NF start, 35 if you include D7 at AVV.

ThaiAirAsiaX will be Brisbane's 27th international carrier, although if you are including AVV with MEL then arguably you should add D7 and TR at OOL for a combined 29 across SEQ airports.

For other international ports: Perth has 17 international carriers, Adelaide has 9, 3 for Darwin, Cairns has 5 year round (4 after CX pull out) and 2 seasonal, Maroochydore has 1, and Canberra 2.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:24 am

The Lombok Govt. Is subsidising the QZ flights by buying and guaranteeing a seat block on all flights. It has disaster written all over it- JQ failed because all Lombok destined pax want to include DPS on the same trip so the route has problems supporting return traffic. This info came from the Lombok hoteliers.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:43 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Malindo will indeed be Sydney's 40th international carrier. I was going to say that it would be a short lived achievement with Hainan pulling out, but I forgot that they have recently launched SYD-HAK so they are not gone (yet).

Melbourne is 34 once NF start, 35 if you include D7 at AVV.

ThaiAirAsiaX will be Brisbane's 27th international carrier, although if you are including AVV with MEL then arguably you should add D7 and TR at OOL for a combined 29 across SEQ airports.

For other international ports: Perth has 17 international carriers, Adelaide has 9, 3 for Darwin, Cairns has 5 year round (4 after CX pull out) and 2 seasonal, Maroochydore has 1, and Canberra 2.

Thank you, an in-depth comprehensive summary, cheers.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:52 am

Using Wikipedia as a source which is what I used for SYD. I know that’s not always a perfect source but it shows BNE will be at 26?
Cairns will be at 7 after CX pulls out but Jin Air is new.
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Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:12 pm

SeaEagle8 wrote:
Using Wikipedia as a source which is what I used for SYD. I know that’s not always a perfect source but it shows BNE will be at 26?
Cairns will be at 7 after CX pulls out but Jin Air is new.


BNE is currently 26, 27 when XJ launch BNE-DMK in 3 weeks.

BNE: AC, NZ, NF, SB, PX, CI, CZ, MU, CX, BR, FJ, EK, EY, KE, HA, HU, KE, MH, OD, ON, PR, OL, BI, IE, SQ, TG, XJ

Ignoring seasonal-vs-year round, CNS: NZ, CX, MU, HU, LJ, CG, MI =7, 6 without CX but including LJ.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:13 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
SeaEagle8 wrote:
Using Wikipedia as a source which is what I used for SYD. I know that’s not always a perfect source but it shows BNE will be at 26?
Cairns will be at 7 after CX pulls out but Jin Air is new.


BNE is currently 26, 27 when XJ launch BNE-DMK in 3 weeks.

BNE: AC, NZ, NF, SB, PX, CI, CZ, MU, CX, BR, FJ, EK, EY, KE, HA, HU, KE, MH, OD, ON, PR, OL, BI, IE, SQ, TG, XJ

Ignoring seasonal-vs-year round, CNS: NZ, CX, MU, HU, LJ, CG, MI =7, 6 without CX but including LJ.


You listed KE twice for BNE. Only 26.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sat Jun 01, 2019 11:19 pm

Well it looks as though B744 VH-OEB is penciled/penned? in for its final revenue flight today JUNE 2nd QF73. It is currently flying QF4 which is scheduled to arrive SYD around 5pm. QF73 departure has been pushed out to around 7pm tonight, allowing time for -OEB to be prepped/boarded for its 7pm departure. There is no return flight QF74 scheduled for JUNE 2nd...Time will tell if this sticks this time around :)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:03 am

QF63 SYD-JNB currently diverting to MEL.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:35 am

SeaEagle8 wrote:
Using Wikipedia as a source which is what I used for SYD. I know that’s not always a perfect source but it shows BNE will be at 26?
Cairns will be at 7 after CX pulls out but Jin Air is new.


I live in CNS and I can confirm the following year round international airlines:
Jetstar, Air Niugini, SilkAir, Hainan Airlines, Airlines PNG, Qantaslink and (soon to exit) Cathay Pacific.
It’s worth noting that 3 of the airlines only serve Papua New Guinea.

Air NZ is the only consistent seasonal international operator.

China Eastern and China Southern have entered and exited the market in recent years. Their services fluctuated between 4 weeks and 8 months.

Jin Air stopped flying to CNS in 2018 after two seasons.
Hong Kong Airlines and Philippine Airlines are also fairly recent withdrawals from CNS.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:43 am

Hopefully CNS will benefit from A321 range improvements and see more international service in the next decade.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:18 am

I feel like QZ should’ve offered a triangular PER-LOP-DPS-PER service which would allow for passengers to divide their trip up between the two islands without impacting return loads hugely.

They could even alternate the routing on different days to allow non-stop travel in both directions to and from Lombok.
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:25 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
SeaEagle8 wrote:
Using Wikipedia as a source which is what I used for SYD. I know that’s not always a perfect source but it shows BNE will be at 26?
Cairns will be at 7 after CX pulls out but Jin Air is new.


BNE is currently 26, 27 when XJ launch BNE-DMK in 3 weeks.

BNE: AC, NZ, NF, SB, PX, CI, CZ, MU, CX, BR, FJ, EK, EY, KE, HA, HU, KE, MH, OD, ON, PR, OL, BI, IE, SQ, TG, XJ

Ignoring seasonal-vs-year round, CNS: NZ, CX, MU, HU, LJ, CG, MI =7, 6 without CX but including LJ.



Can ON be counted as an 'international airline' given all of its aircraft are Australian based and registered? ;-)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:59 am

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I feel like QZ should’ve offered a triangular PER-LOP-DPS-PER service which would allow for passengers to divide their trip up between the two islands without impacting return loads hugely.

They could even alternate the routing on different days to allow non-stop travel in both directions to and from Lombok.


Pretty easy to get a flight from LOP--DPS to visit both islands.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:13 am

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QF63 SYD-JNB currently diverting to MEL.

Due to a medical emergency, according to 7News
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:44 am

ben175 wrote:
I feel like QZ should’ve offered a triangular PER-LOP-DPS-PER service which would allow for passengers to divide their trip up between the two islands without impacting return loads hugely.

They could even alternate the routing on different days to allow non-stop travel in both directions to and from Lombok.


The PER-DPS route is heavily regulated. 8 Daily services 3x QZ, 3x JQ, 1x ID, 1x GA.
I highly doubt QZ would be cleared to operate another service on the route.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:53 am

Anyone know how forward bookings on ANA's PER-NRT service are looking 3 months out?
 
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Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:12 pm

ben175 wrote:
Anyone know how forward bookings on ANA's PER-NRT service are looking 3 months out?


I believe forward bookings are encouraging, though having said that like any new route a more indicative sign will be once the service begins. I do believe this route will be a success as it is one that has been missed since QF pulled the plug many years ago, it will open up a lot of new opportunities.

Also today was the last 772 service operated to PER from SQ with SQ225/224 returning to A333 tomorrow and SQ213/226 being operated by A359 as of tomorrow. This marks an end of an era for SQ having flown the 772 to PER for the last 21-22 years
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:13 pm

VA Fleet news

A332 XFE now has WIFI installed
A332 XFH currently in HKG and should be the next one with WIFI, should return to service at the end of the month
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:00 pm

Just finished watching Sunday Night and their special on the QF72 near disaster. Nothing new in there other than an interview with the Captain which was interesting to hear his first hand perspective. For sensationalism they tried to link what the software did on that flight to the recent 737-Max crashes in the context of software over-ruling the pilots.

Also interesting that the crew haven't been given any formal recognition for saving the plane so one of the fa's on the plane has started a petition - https://www.change.org/p/qantas-group-f ... light-qf72 - to get them recognised. I'd have thought that at least inside QF they would hace but apparently not.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:03 pm

qf789 wrote:
ben175 wrote:
Anyone know how forward bookings on ANA's PER-NRT service are looking 3 months out?


I believe forward bookings are encouraging, though having said that like any new route a more indicative sign will be once the service begins. I do believe this route will be a success as it is one that has been missed since QF pulled the plug many years ago, it will open up a lot of new opportunities.

Also today was the last 772 service operated to PER from SQ with SQ225/224 returning to A333 tomorrow and SQ213/226 being operated by A359 as of tomorrow. This marks an end of an era for SQ having flown the 772 to PER for the last 21-22 years

I wouldn’t write them off just yet in terms of visiting PER. I’d expect them to operate a few of Scoot’s flights as they continue to battle the Trent 1000 engine issues.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:19 pm

VH-EBG has just arrived into BNE from AKL, usually it’d be towed to domestic and operate QF767 to PER but that’s op by a 737 tonight. There’s no QF A332 flights from BNE tomorrow could it be there to get refitted?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:55 pm

So I think we all agree Sydney will be served by 40 international carriers when Malindo starts.

Breakdown by region:

SE Asia 10
China 8
Americas 6
South Pacific 6
Other East/North Asia 5
Middle East 3
Europe 1
South Asia 1
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:51 am

This seems like AJ using the platform of IATA to flexing some anti-PER muscle, I thought QF and PER were sorting all this out?

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-pauses- ... ource=hero
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:52 am

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Well it looks as though B744 VH-OEB is penciled/penned? in for its final revenue flight today JUNE 2nd QF73. It is currently flying QF4 which is scheduled to arrive SYD around 5pm. QF73 departure has been pushed out to around 7pm tonight, allowing time for -OEB to be prepped/boarded for its 7pm departure. There is no return flight QF74 scheduled for JUNE 2nd...Time will tell if this sticks this time around :)


It looks like end for VH-OEB. It's currently en route SFO-LAX as QF6021 probably to prepare it for retirement?

If VH-EBG is indeed in for a refit at BNE, this marks the end of all Skybed MK1 from our skies.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:50 am

After all the hype, Alan Joyce backflips on below-deck sleeping berths for Project Sunrise. There will be a stretching and relaxation zone but that’s it.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-rules-o ... nrise-jets
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:07 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
This seems like AJ using the platform of IATA to flexing some anti-PER muscle, I thought QF and PER were sorting all this out?

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-pauses- ... ource=hero


as the article states..'its before the courts'..and ausbt love to sensationalize EVERYTHING..they play to their 'readership'/posters..I read ausbt most of their airline article are good for a laugh :lol:
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:13 am

Has LATAM loaded into the system the non-stop flights of SYD-SCL flights (non-stop to their SCL hub, lower prices than QF due to the fuel efficiency of the 789). LATAM will finally be competitive from SYD to GRU (SYD-SCL-GRU) against the ME3.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:28 am

VH-OEB has landed in LAX for the very last time. Probably QF's most infamous and popular 747

https://www.facebook.com/AIRLINESECRETS ... 5522916118

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Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:46 am

jetfuel wrote:
VH-OEB has landed in LAX for the very last time. Probably QF's most infamous and popular 747

https://www.facebook.com/AIRLINESECRETS ... 5522916118

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I’m pretty sure OJM was slightly older for QF 744s, JAN 91-July 2017 making it 26.5 years old while OEB was delivered to OZ in August 93 making it just under 26.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:23 am

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-ai ... ource=grid

AJ wants SYD to HND to become an a380 route. With the Olympics happening next year, Haneda will probably become more accommodating for the a380. But the issue will be whether Qantas could get an arrival and departure slot within a couple of hours of each other (probably late night).
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:30 am

I would assume that QF would add not only BNE-SEA but also SYD-SEA as its a bigger market.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:33 am

A split BNE-SFO/SEA (x3) and BNE-ORD (x4) operation would probably be my tip. (Replacing the HKG flying and the QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators).

No AA to BNE in the short-medium term due to recent yield pressures on the TransPac market in general (e.g see UA seasonal reductions between SYD and LAX/IAH).
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:44 am

US Department of Transport is expected to provide tentative approval of QF/AA JV as early as this week

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:47 am

Jetstar CEO says they are very interested in A321XLR

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:51 am

Airbus sales chief says both A350 variants viable for Project Sunrise

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Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:56 am

Qantas expects final bids for Project Sunrise aircraft from both Airbus and Boeing by August, with an order to be announced by end of the year (providing everything stacks up), with first deliveries in 2022 and first SYD-LHR to take flight in 2023.

https://in.reuters.com/article/airlines ... NKCN1T407Q

https://www.morningstar.com/news/dow-jo ... ondon.html

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... f213734033

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-expected
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:59 am

Video of last arrival and departure of VH-OEB from SYD yesterday

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Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:11 am

Thanks for all your great work qf789..just thought I'd say that :)
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:21 am

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Thanks for all your great work qf789..just thought I'd say that :)


Thanks

Donghai Airlines plans to increase DRW seasonally from 2 to 3 weekly, 19 Jul - 9 Aug 19

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Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:26 am

Qantas says they have received more than 22,000 registrations for the new Pilot academy due to open its doors in September

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Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:30 am

Qantas has also had talks with 4 Indian carriers in recent days over forming a new partnership after the collapse of Jet Airways, any idea which carrier would be the preferred one

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... -approved/
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:48 am

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Thanks for all your great work qf789..just thought I'd say that :)


I agree completely. The amount of timely information he provides is greatly appreciated.
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:03 am

Qantas says they will appeal the IASC ruling on CX codeshare deal

https://australianaviation.com.au/2019/ ... rejection/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:41 am

For those travelling tomorrow to/from SYD be aware strong winds and bad weather are forecasted meaning delays, reduced slots etc

https://twitter.com/Qantas/status/11354 ... 58720?s=20
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