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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:50 am

A359 9V-SHG operated the first flight to PER as SQ213/226 today

https://www.flightradar24.com/SIA226/20bfc751
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:31 am

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https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-airbus-a380-upgrade-for-sydney-tokyo?utm_source=grid

AJ wants SYD to HND to become an a380 route. With the Olympics happening next year, Haneda will probably become more accommodating for the a380. But the issue will be whether Qantas could get an arrival and departure slot within a couple of hours of each other (probably late night).


It’s more like a bait into discussion about getting second daily flight slots.

380 can’t go through the bridge taxi way and all other issues.

NH would already be flying their 380 from HND if it’s viable.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:47 am

Video of VH-OEB arriving into LAX for the last time

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:11 am

Qantas QF15 BNE-LAX VH-ZNB has diverted to HNL

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:22 am

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CraigAnderson wrote:
This seems like AJ using the platform of IATA to flexing some anti-PER muscle, I thought QF and PER were sorting all this out?

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-pauses- ... ource=hero


as the article states..'its before the courts'..and ausbt love to sensationalize EVERYTHING..they play to their 'readership'/posters..I read ausbt most of their airline article are good for a laugh :lol:


I am starting to kind of agree with you here. I do wonder how unbiased they really are. The prententiousness in the editorial has become a little boring...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:03 am

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Qantas has also had talks with 4 Indian carriers in recent days over forming a new partnership after the collapse of Jet Airways, any idea which carrier would be the preferred one

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... -approved/


From the way the article is written they want to continue to use SIN as a connecting hub to India (SIN is really the only suitable hub anyway. BKK is only served from SYD, and HKG is too far east with no PER flight.)

[Quote=Article]“So Singapore was a great way of doing it,’’ he said. “We’d like to continue that and get the right partner.”[/quote]

According to wiki and backed up by Changi's website there are only two airline groups from India which serve SIN.

Air India/Air India Express and Indigo.

I'd like to know who the other two parties are (or one if AI and IX are counted as two seperate airlines) Spicejet is a LCC which doesn't currently serve SIN but do fly BOM/DEL-HKG, and Vistara only flies domestically and unlikely with SQ's involvment.

Indigo doesn't serve Mumbai and Delhi from SIN. I'd imagine those two cities are too important to be missing from the partnership. Although I suppose it's only a matter of when that they get linked to SIN.

The more I think about it the more likely a QF/AI partnership could be. Being able to link SYD/MEL/BNE/PER to BOM/DEL/MAA with a single easy stop in SIN would mutually benefit both parties and be more competitive against the likes of SQ/MI, TG and MH. Even more so if IX/3K get involved to link secondary cities on both ends.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:23 am

vhqpa wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas has also had talks with 4 Indian carriers in recent days over forming a new partnership after the collapse of Jet Airways, any idea which carrier would be the preferred one

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... -approved/


From the way the article is written they want to continue to use SIN as a connecting hub to India (SIN is really the only suitable hub anyway. BKK is only served from SYD, and HKG is too far east with no PER flight.)

[Quote=Article]“So Singapore was a great way of doing it,’’ he said. “We’d like to continue that and get the right partner.”


According to wiki and backed up by Changi's website there are only two airline groups from India which serve SIN.

Air India/Air India Express and Indigo.

I'd like to know who the other two parties are (or one if AI and IX are counted as two seperate airlines) Spicejet is a LCC which doesn't currently serve SIN but do fly BOM/DEL-HKG, and Vistara only flies domestically and unlikely with SQ's involvment.

Indigo doesn't serve Mumbai and Delhi from SIN. I'd imagine those two cities are too important to be missing from the partnership. Although I suppose it's only a matter of when that they get linked to SIN.

The more I think about it the more likely a QF/AI partnership could be. Being able to link SYD/MEL/BNE/PER to BOM/DEL/MAA with a single easy stop in SIN would mutually benefit both parties and be more competitive against the likes of SQ/MI, TG and MH. Even more so if IX/3K get involved to link secondary cities on both ends.

Just my 0.02c


Would such a partnership involve AI’s current non-stop services from MEL and SYD too?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:41 pm

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Malindo will indeed be Sydney's 40th international carrier. I was going to say that it would be a short lived achievement with Hainan pulling out, but I forgot that they have recently launched SYD-HAK so they are not gone (yet).

Melbourne is 34 once NF start, 35 if you include D7 at AVV.

ThaiAirAsiaX will be Brisbane's 27th international carrier, although if you are including AVV with MEL then arguably you should add D7 and TR at OOL for a combined 29 across SEQ airports.

For other international ports: Perth has 17 international carriers, Adelaide has 9, 3 for Darwin, Cairns has 5 year round (4 after CX pull out) and 2 seasonal, Maroochydore has 1, and Canberra 2.



PER: D7, MK, NZ, ID, CX, CZ, EK, GA, QZ, JQ, MH, OD, QF, QR, TR, SQ, SA, TG (18 Carriers)

Will be 19 in September when NH starts flying NRT-PER
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:16 pm

QF/AAV joint venture gets a tentative go-ahead, opening up new routes inc BNE-ORD for QF and some say MEL-DWF for AA?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1T41W8
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-america ... to-chicago
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/u-tra ... 29491.html
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:22 pm

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QF/AAV joint venture gets a tentative go-ahead, opening up new routes inc BNE-ORD for QF and some say MEL-DWF for AA?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1T41W8
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-america ... to-chicago
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/u-tra ... 29491.html


Where would the 787s for these new routes come from? The new 787s are replacing the 747s plus AJ seems to be pushing for double daily into HND on 787s instead of the daily current 747.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:33 pm

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RyanairGuru wrote:
Malindo will indeed be Sydney's 40th international carrier. I was going to say that it would be a short lived achievement with Hainan pulling out, but I forgot that they have recently launched SYD-HAK so they are not gone (yet).

Melbourne is 34 once NF start, 35 if you include D7 at AVV.

ThaiAirAsiaX will be Brisbane's 27th international carrier, although if you are including AVV with MEL then arguably you should add D7 and TR at OOL for a combined 29 across SEQ airports.

For other international ports: Perth has 17 international carriers, Adelaide has 9, 3 for Darwin, Cairns has 5 year round (4 after CX pull out) and 2 seasonal, Maroochydore has 1, and Canberra 2.



PER: D7, MK, NZ, ID, CX, CZ, EK, GA, QZ, JQ, MH, OD, QF, QR, TR, SQ, SA, TG (18 Carriers)

Will be 19 in September when NH starts flying NRT-PER


It was referring to international/foreign carriers, not including those Aussie carriers that operate internationally, so if you take JQ and QF off the list it is currently 16, will be 17 when NH start.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:54 pm

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QF/AAV joint venture gets a tentative go-ahead, opening up new routes inc BNE-ORD for QF and some say MEL-DWF for AA?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1T41W8
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-america ... to-chicago
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/u-tra ... 29491.html


Qantas have just published a media release on their website stating that they will announce BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD once final approval is received. This seems logical and makes sense given change in capacity to SFO. I wonder if AA will increase flying?
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:06 pm

Pcoder wrote:
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-airbus-a380-upgrade-for-sydney-tokyo?utm_source=grid

AJ wants SYD to HND to become an a380 route. With the Olympics happening next year, Haneda will probably become more accommodating for the a380. But the issue will be whether Qantas could get an arrival and departure slot within a couple of hours of each other (probably late night).
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CraigAnderson wrote:
QF/AAV joint venture gets a tentative go-ahead, opening up new routes inc BNE-ORD for QF and some say MEL-DWF for AA?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1T41W8
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-america ... to-chicago
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/u-tra ... 29491.html


Where would the 787s for these new routes come from? The new 787s are replacing the 747s plus AJ seems to be pushing for double daily into HND on 787s instead of the daily current 747.



HND is interesting for sure, we have QF saying they can use it there but can’t have more than 1 on the ground, we have a user or more than 1 saying it can’t use it or atleast some of the taxiways which it probably can’t use all of them.

I doubt QF will want a brand new 787 at HND for 16hrs a day, it’s just how they would schedule a double daily, it would have to be a NRT service for a second daily with an A330, that doesn’t help the 789 use if they keep the current schedules however.. And a daily A380 will use 2 frames while a daily 789 to HND plus a daily A330 to NRT as a daylight service ex SYD and overnight return would use 3.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:22 pm

Maybe QF could apply for approval to fly its A380 back and forth between Haneda to Tokyo all day, carrying passengers on the world's shortest A380 flight, until it's ready to do the HND-SYD return leg?
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:26 pm

BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD in the planning works following the tentative QF/AA JV approval.
Both routes expected to replace the current QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators and SYD/BNE-HKG flying (HKG reverting to A330).

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -business/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:33 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Pcoder wrote:
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-airbus-a380-upgrade-for-sydney-tokyo?utm_source=grid

AJ wants SYD to HND to become an a380 route. With the Olympics happening next year, Haneda will probably become more accommodating for the a380. But the issue will be whether Qantas could get an arrival and departure slot within a couple of hours of each other (probably late night).
Ivarino wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
QF/AAV joint venture gets a tentative go-ahead, opening up new routes inc BNE-ORD for QF and some say MEL-DWF for AA?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKCN1T41W8
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-america ... to-chicago
https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/u-tra ... 29491.html


Where would the 787s for these new routes come from? The new 787s are replacing the 747s plus AJ seems to be pushing for double daily into HND on 787s instead of the daily current 747.



HND is interesting for sure, we have QF saying they can use it there but can’t have more than 1 on the ground, we have a user or more than 1 saying it can’t use it or atleast some of the taxiways which it probably can’t use all of them.

I doubt QF will want a brand new 787 at HND for 16hrs a day, it’s just how they would schedule a double daily, it would have to be a NRT service for a second daily with an A330, that doesn’t help the 789 use if they keep the current schedules however.. And a daily A380 will use 2 frames while a daily 789 to HND plus a daily A330 to NRT as a daylight service ex SYD and overnight return would use 3.


HND sure seems difficult without the 744 given the slot and A380 restrictions. If they can go double-daily, it would only make sense to do both day and night flights both ways, ie. the current QF25 with a morning departure back to SYD, and then a morning departure from SYD arriving HND in the evening, and returning as QF26 does now (10pm departure). But slot availability would make this difficult I guess.

Could they rotate planes between NRT and HND? I.e. QF79 (from MEL) arrives into NRT at 7pm, then ferries empty to HND to become QF26. The other way, QF25 arrives into HND 5:15am, then ferries empty to NRT and returns as a retimed QF80 daytime flight back to MEL. Not sure what is more efficient, having a plane sit idle 15 hrs or 2 short ferry flights each day?
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:47 am

SCFlyer wrote:
BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD in the planning works following the tentative QF/AA JV approval.
Both routes expected to replace the current QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators and SYD/BNE-HKG flying (HKG reverting to A330).


What's the source for this 'expected to replace' info or is this just speculation on your part?
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:05 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD in the planning works following the tentative QF/AA JV approval.
Both routes expected to replace the current QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators and SYD/BNE-HKG flying (HKG reverting to A330).


What's the source for this 'expected to replace' info or is this just speculation on your part?


Given that part of BNE’s current contractually obligated basing of aircraft (4 planes) is currently assigned to other routes (ie. SYD-HKG), it really has to be a schedule change to accommodate this.

QF has already committed to SYD-SFO becoming a 789 when the new batch of aircraft arrive, which will also need to find solutions to replace the remaining 747 flights in the network.

It will be interesting to see what role AA play in some of these network changes. QF have made numerous statements about things but AA is not so clear yet.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:22 am

The QF 789 BNE basing... What exactly does the agreement stipulate? Is it maintenance only or do schedule services need to be flown?
Hands up who thinks QF55 will be kept once SFO/ORD/wherever is launched? My hand isn't up...
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:25 am

eta unknown wrote:
The QF 789 BNE basing... What exactly does the agreement stipulate? Is it maintenance only or do schedule services need to be flown?
Hands up who thinks QF55 will be kept once SFO/ORD/wherever is launched? My hand isn't up...



No idea but there was some deal saying they would base 4 789s there, currently 1 of those is operating SYD-HKG 6 weekly so that will stop as will any BNE-HKG flights 1 weekly atm, and they don’t have enough frames to continue QF55 so that will stop aswell to allow ORD/SFO.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:43 am

A350OZ wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Pcoder wrote:
https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-eyes-airbus-a380-upgrade-for-sydney-tokyo?utm_source=grid

AJ wants SYD to HND to become an a380 route. With the Olympics happening next year, Haneda will probably become more accommodating for the a380. But the issue will be whether Qantas could get an arrival and departure slot within a couple of hours of each other (probably late night).
Ivarino wrote:

Where would the 787s for these new routes come from? The new 787s are replacing the 747s plus AJ seems to be pushing for double daily into HND on 787s instead of the daily current 747.



HND is interesting for sure, we have QF saying they can use it there but can’t have more than 1 on the ground, we have a user or more than 1 saying it can’t use it or atleast some of the taxiways which it probably can’t use all of them.

I doubt QF will want a brand new 787 at HND for 16hrs a day, it’s just how they would schedule a double daily, it would have to be a NRT service for a second daily with an A330, that doesn’t help the 789 use if they keep the current schedules however.. And a daily A380 will use 2 frames while a daily 789 to HND plus a daily A330 to NRT as a daylight service ex SYD and overnight return would use 3.


HND sure seems difficult without the 744 given the slot and A380 restrictions. If they can go double-daily, it would only make sense to do both day and night flights both ways, ie. the current QF25 with a morning departure back to SYD, and then a morning departure from SYD arriving HND in the evening, and returning as QF26 does now (10pm departure). But slot availability would make this difficult I guess.

Could they rotate planes between NRT and HND? I.e. QF79 (from MEL) arrives into NRT at 7pm, then ferries empty to HND to become QF26. The other way, QF25 arrives into HND 5:15am, then ferries empty to NRT and returns as a retimed QF80 daytime flight back to MEL. Not sure what is more efficient, having a plane sit idle 15 hrs or 2 short ferry flights each day?



Problem with getting second daily is that HND only has 48 return slots by next year and half of them already allocated to US flights. And Qantas is basically saying they should get another one amid all other countries that yet to get one.

And let’s not forget biliteral agreement needs to be revised. If Australia side get one that means Japan side will need 1 as well.

From my past experience dealing with Japanese government authorities, it’s very unlikely they gonna make an exception privilege let alone to a foreign company. (HK, TW, SG and other countries already owns HND slots still want more slots of HND)

Relatively there are more chance of them flying double daily to HND then operating 380 into HND but both to me are almost unlikely to happen.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:56 am

IndianicWorld wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD in the planning works following the tentative QF/AA JV approval.
Both routes expected to replace the current QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators and SYD/BNE-HKG flying (HKG reverting to A330).


What's the source for this 'expected to replace' info or is this just speculation on your part?


Given that part of BNE’s current contractually obligated basing of aircraft (4 planes) is currently assigned to other routes (ie. SYD-HKG), it really has to be a schedule change to accommodate this.

QF has already committed to SYD-SFO becoming a 789 when the new batch of aircraft arrive, which will also need to find solutions to replace the remaining 747 flights in the network.

It will be interesting to see what role AA play in some of these network changes. QF have made numerous stat[photoid][/photoid]ements about things but AA is not so clear yet.



I think we’ll hear more on changes to current routes once final approval is given. Making an announcement for new routes wouldn’t be a disaster if something were to change or be delayed- make an announcement to current routes, that then could be delayed or cancelled could be market damaging... I think we’ll see more to come for AA, MEL and AKL...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:57 am

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Qantas says they have received more than 22,000 registrations for the new Pilot academy due to open its doors in September

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/mas ... ns-future/


Its funny they don’t mention the cost which will be close to $150k for the 24months course
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:57 am

IndianicWorld wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD in the planning works following the tentative QF/AA JV approval.
Both routes expected to replace the current QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators and SYD/BNE-HKG flying (HKG reverting to A330).


What's the source for this 'expected to replace' info or is this just speculation on your part?


Given that part of BNE’s current contractually obligated basing of aircraft (4 planes) is currently assigned to other routes (ie. SYD-HKG), it really has to be a schedule change to accommodate this.

QF has already committed to SYD-SFO becoming a 789 when the new batch of aircraft arrive, which will also need to find solutions to replace the remaining 747 flights in the network.

It will be interesting to see what role AA play in some of these network changes. QF have made numerous stat[photoid][/photoid]ements about things but AA is not so clear yet.



I think we’ll hear more on changes to current routes once final approval is given. Making an announcement for new routes wouldn’t be a disaster if something were to change or be delayed- make an announcement to current routes, that then could be delayed or cancelled could be market damaging... I think we’ll see more to come for AA, MEL and AKL...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:20 am

I now have had confirmation AA will launch MEL-LAX 3 weekly increasing to 5 weekly in peak seasons. This will replace QF95/96. Announcement to be made immediately after JV is officially approved.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:46 am

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I now have had confirmation AA will launch MEL-LAX 3 weekly increasing to 5 weekly in peak seasons. This will replace QF95/96. Announcement to be made immediately after JV is officially approved.


Well that's one 787 freed up
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:16 am

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log0008 wrote:
I now have had confirmation AA will launch MEL-LAX 3 weekly increasing to 5 weekly in peak seasons. This will replace QF95/96. Announcement to be made immediately after JV is officially approved.


Well that's one 787 freed up


Not really a full frame, but assuming that MEL-SFO stays at 5 weekly then it can easily rotate over SFO to operate BNE-SFO 2 weekly before they've tinkered with HKG and QF55/56.
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:37 am

IndianicWorld wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD in the planning works following the tentative QF/AA JV approval.
Both routes expected to replace the current QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators and SYD/BNE-HKG flying (HKG reverting to A330).


What's the source for this 'expected to replace' info or is this just speculation on your part?


Given that part of BNE’s current contractually obligated basing of aircraft (4 planes) is currently assigned to other routes (ie. SYD-HKG), it really has to be a schedule change to accommodate this.

QF has already committed to SYD-SFO becoming a 789 when the new batch of aircraft arrive, which will also need to find solutions to replace the remaining 747 flights in the network.

It will be interesting to see what role AA play in some of these network changes. QF have made numerous statements about things but AA is not so clear yet.


You assume QF can't increase the number of 789s based at BNE once the next batch of 789s arrive from late this year?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:39 am

log0008 wrote:
I now have had confirmation AA will launch MEL-LAX 3 weekly increasing to 5 weekly in peak seasons. This will replace QF95/96. Announcement to be made immediately after JV is officially approved.


Zzzzzz. Getting tired of all these unsubstantiated claims of inside knowledge. Exactly who 'confirmed' this to you, and how and why?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:52 am

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IndianicWorld wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:

What's the source for this 'expected to replace' info or is this just speculation on your part?


Given that part of BNE’s current contractually obligated basing of aircraft (4 planes) is currently assigned to other routes (ie. SYD-HKG), it really has to be a schedule change to accommodate this.

QF has already committed to SYD-SFO becoming a 789 when the new batch of aircraft arrive, which will also need to find solutions to replace the remaining 747 flights in the network.

It will be interesting to see what role AA play in some of these network changes. QF have made numerous statements about things but AA is not so clear yet.


You assume QF can't increase the number of 789s based at BNE once the next batch of 789s arrive from late this year?


It's already been stated across many articles including the likes of AUSBT that the third tranche of 787s will be replacing the 744s. In other words, the latest tranche are all SYD based.

As for BNE, it's common knowledge that there's an agreement with the state government to base 4 of the 787s there. So any BNE 787 changes means having to either downgauge or axe flights to fit in the changes.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -brisbane/
 
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The QF 789 BNE basing... What exactly does the agreement stipulate? Is it maintenance only or do schedule services need to be flown?
Hands up who thinks QF55 will be kept once SFO/ORD/wherever is launched? My hand isn't up...


I agree that QF55/56 days are numbered, we will probably see 2 frames operate a daily BNE-LAX-JFK, then BNE-SFO at 3 weekly and BNE-ORD at 3 weekly, maybe one of those could also be operated at 4 weekly. I also wonder if QF will be interested in the latest development on the improvements of the 787-9 and 787-10, I imagine they would be, the increase in MTOW to 260 tonnes and this would probably make a SYD-ORD flight viable
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:36 am

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BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD in the planning works following the tentative QF/AA JV approval.
Both routes expected to replace the current QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators and SYD/BNE-HKG flying (HKG reverting to A330).

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -business/

With the news about HND could we also see the 789 which would've replaced the 744 in Brisbane to make one of those routes daily or maybe not even at the expense of QF55/56
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:38 am

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I now have had confirmation AA will launch MEL-LAX 3 weekly increasing to 5 weekly in peak seasons. This will replace QF95/96. Announcement to be made immediately after JV is officially approved.


Zzzzzz. Getting tired of all these unsubstantiated claims of inside knowledge. Exactly who 'confirmed' this to you, and how and why?


Sorry to bore you but some of the unsubstantiated claims are nothing of the sort. For those who work in industry, myself included there are sometimes we can not share the source for obvious reasons, just like I can tell you yesterday VARA started a new FIFO contract but I am not going to share the memo it was on
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:57 am

Air Niugini in talks to start CNS-HKG

https://twitter.com/BlueSwanDaily/statu ... 00096?s=20
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:17 am

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Air Niugini in talks to start CNS-HKG

https://twitter.com/BlueSwanDaily/statu ... 00096?s=20


Whilst I applaud Air Niugini for looking to fill the void left by Cathay Pacific (being a North Queenslander I'm gutted CX has dropped HKG-CNS), I do wonder if the public will support them on such a route. Do they even have the capacity to operate this route more than say once a week with one of their two 763s, or even have the rights to operate CNS-HKG?
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:24 am

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Air Niugini in talks to start CNS-HKG

https://twitter.com/BlueSwanDaily/statu ... 00096?s=20


Whilst I applaud Air Niugini for looking to fill the void left by Cathay Pacific (being a North Queenslander I'm gutted CX has dropped HKG-CNS), I do wonder if the public will support them on such a route. Do they even have the capacity to operate this route more than say once a week with one of their two 763s, or even have the rights to operate CNS-HKG?


According to the following any such service would be operated 3 times a week, have no idea if they have traffic rights though
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:29 am

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eta unknown wrote:
The QF 789 BNE basing... What exactly does the agreement stipulate? Is it maintenance only or do schedule services need to be flown?
Hands up who thinks QF55 will be kept once SFO/ORD/wherever is launched? My hand isn't up...


I agree that QF55/56 days are numbered, we will probably see 2 frames operate a daily BNE-LAX-JFK, then BNE-SFO at 3 weekly and BNE-ORD at 3 weekly, maybe one of those could also be operated at 4 weekly. I also wonder if QF will be interested in the latest development on the improvements of the 787-9 and 787-10, I imagine they would be, the increase in MTOW to 260 tonnes and this would probably make a SYD-ORD flight viable


I remember an article where former QF International CEO Gareth Evans commented that the QF 787 order book allowed them to change to -10s so yes, I think they could be very interested in the latest -10 model like NZ is getting for example.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:30 am

AFP are investigating an incident onboard QF44 DPS-SYD when a female passenger entered a toilet at the start of the aircraft descending and refuse to come out resulting in the passenger being still in the toilet on landing.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... ditorialSF
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:32 am

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log0008 wrote:
I now have had confirmation AA will launch MEL-LAX 3 weekly increasing to 5 weekly in peak seasons. This will replace QF95/96. Announcement to be made immediately after JV is officially approved.


Zzzzzz. Getting tired of all these unsubstantiated claims of inside knowledge. Exactly who 'confirmed' this to you, and how and why?


Sorry to bore you but some of the unsubstantiated claims are nothing of the sort. For those who work in industry, myself included there are sometimes we can not share the source for obvious reasons, just like I can tell you yesterday VARA started a new FIFO contract but I am not going to share the memo it was on


I can understand that but when an anonymous somebody with no track record here suddenly makes a claim like this it's beggars belief that people should suddenly take it at face value. I could very well come in and say it's been "confirmed" to me that AA will launch CBR-SYD-LAX or VA will launch BNE-HKG!
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:51 am

"Qantas boss to consider buying grounded Boeing 737 MAX"
Qantas boss Alan Joyce is so confident Boeing's 737 MAX aircraft will return to the skies safely that he will consider buying the grounded jet to replace his airline’s domestic fleet.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 51uc7.html

Well it's not as if AJ can just rule out the 737 MAX, can he?
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:04 am

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Qantas says they will appeal the IASC ruling on CX codeshare deal

https://australianaviation.com.au/2019/ ... rejection/


Its only a draft ruling at the moment.....
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:08 am

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The more I think about it the more likely a QF/AI partnership could be. Being able to link SYD/MEL/BNE/PER to BOM/DEL/MAA with a single easy stop in SIN would mutually benefit both parties and be more competitive against the likes of SQ/MI, TG and MH. Even more so if IX/3K get involved to link secondary cities on both ends.

Just my 0.02c


The IASC (and ACCC) might not like that. They generally say no to the dominant carriers joining forces (eg QF/CX) thought the QF/AA JV is a counterpoint to this. Perhaps they could cooperate over SIN where SQ (incl VA) can compete with them but not permit it on the direct flights?
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:19 am

Two questions re QF/AA JV
1. What are the items that QF and AA need to review and go back to the DoT with responses for to move from preliminary to final approval? What are the remaining unaddressed issues?
2. What criteria makes AA or QF the better operator for a route? Eg MEL-LAX, why is QF hading this to AA? And why should QF start BNE-ORD? I am not of an opinion either way with regards to these decisions but am interested to understand how QF and AA have decided who does what. Fleet will be one thing I'm sure, though i don't know the nuances of the AA fleet to understand why.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:55 am

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Two questions re QF/AA JV
1. What are the items that QF and AA need to review and go back to the DoT with responses for to move from preliminary to final approval? What are the remaining unaddressed issues?
2. What criteria makes AA or QF the better operator for a route? Eg MEL-LAX, why is QF hading this to AA? And why should QF start BNE-ORD? I am not of an opinion either way with regards to these decisions but am interested to understand how QF and AA have decided who does what. Fleet will be one thing I'm sure, though i don't know the nuances of the AA fleet to understand why.


I think in the Australian market at least, AA will need to ride on QF’s brand power. For example, QF will not exit MEL-LAX entirely but AA will join them with supplementary flights. I think it would be much harder to market an AA flight here than a QF flight. AA would have very limited brand recognition here and what brand recognition it has might not be that positive (I say this anecdotally from what many people I come across think about US airlines, as opposed to say Asian and ME airlines). A lot of it will be fleet as well - I don’t think AA have 789s in a configuration which would allow them to do BNE-ORD.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:05 am

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Two questions re QF/AA JV
1. What are the items that QF and AA need to review and go back to the DoT with responses for to move from preliminary to final approval? What are the remaining unaddressed issues?
2. What criteria makes AA or QF the better operator for a route? Eg MEL-LAX, why is QF hading this to AA? And why should QF start BNE-ORD? I am not of an opinion either way with regards to these decisions but am interested to understand how QF and AA have decided who does what. Fleet will be one thing I'm sure, though i don't know the nuances of the AA fleet to understand why.


I think in the Australian market at least, AA will need to ride on QF’s brand power. For example, QF will not exit MEL-LAX entirely but AA will join them with supplementary flights. I think it would be much harder to market an AA flight here than a QF flight. AA would have very limited brand recognition here and what brand recognition it has might not be that positive (I say this anecdotally from what many people I come across think about US airlines, as opposed to say Asian and ME airlines). A lot of it will be fleet as well - I don’t think AA have 789s in a configuration which would allow them to do BNE-ORD.



AA don’t do a lot long haul ex ORD, they have cut back a heap I think mainly due to UA being more dominant there, still a large AA domestic hub however.

QF have a much smaller fleet so will cover a daily LAX service ex SYD/MEL/BNE while AA will provide additional capacity there. SFO is a large market from Australia but not an AA hub so QF operate it, DFW is I think an easier sell for QF given its location as a connecting hub, then AA from there.

Basically I’m not sure I’d see AA operating to Australia outside of LAX, I could see DFW-AKL on AA however, QF are very unlikely to to operate long haul ex AKL with their limited fleet among other things.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:40 am

^^Just some comments from one who loves civil aviation and all that goes with it, but totally out of the industry (meaning me).
1. I think AJ would be very happy to accept the Max if he got a sizeable discount on the list price, and I am sure Boeing would love an early order from QF (back scratching anyone)
2. I think we all respect each other on this Aussie forum, and should continue to do so until one poster proves he/she is full of B......T. I can understand that sources need to be protected, so let's give the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. I find the term "anon somebody" somewhat regretful to be honest.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:52 am

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Two questions re QF/AA JV
1. What are the items that QF and AA need to review and go back to the DoT with responses for to move from preliminary to final approval? What are the remaining unaddressed issues?


There is a link to the draft ruling in the other thread. From my reading, there are no outstanding issues that AA/QF need to resolve but the parties that had lodged an objection to the application have 14 days to respond to the decision.
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:39 am

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Two questions re QF/AA JV
1. What are the items that QF and AA need to review and go back to the DoT with responses for to move from preliminary to final approval? What are the remaining unaddressed issues?


There is a link to the draft ruling in the other thread. From my reading, there are no outstanding issues that AA/QF need to resolve but the parties that had lodged an objection to the application have 14 days to respond to the decision.


Thanks RG. Though it says on qantasnewsroom.com.au that "Qantas and American will review the Order, with a final decision from the DOT expected in the next few weeks." SO not sure what they're reviewing if there are no outstanding points. Im surprised that Corporate Comms would have a line there like that if there are no review issues.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:15 am

Miami Ricks (twitter pilot) has some awesome cockpit footage of 744 Atlas Freighter coming into the Sydney today

https://twitter.com/miami_rick/status/1 ... 9517682688
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 pm

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VH-EBG has just arrived into BNE from AKL, usually it’d be towed to domestic and operate QF767 to PER but that’s op by a 737 tonight. There’s no QF A332 flights from BNE tomorrow could it be there to get refitted?


How long would it take to get refitted? It was only on the ground for a day which seems too short for a refitting.
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