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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:31 am
by qf2220
aryonoco wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Yes typically they would be offered a hotel room. In addition, for those with a pressing time need, QF would try to get them onto alternative services via BNE or SYD or with other carriers such as UA or VA though all of this obviously depends on whether there are seats on any of the other services.


My friend is on this flight, and as a QF FF, she's very much not impressed with QF's communication.

She's asked multiple times for an alternate arrangement but the only options they have offered her is to cancel the ticket, or fly one day or two days later. Also they have been less than clear about whether she's entitled to a hotel room at LAX, and just point her to the compensation section of the website.

She flies JFK-MEL at least twice a year, and is seriously thinking about moving her business to NZ as a result of this.

QF support also equivocated as to the reason for the delay. First they blamed Air Traffic Low(sic) Management . Then it turns out it's due to crew timing.

Delays happen and are understandable. Being unclear with passengers who are stranded is frustrating.


There is always a risk with travel that you won't arrive when you plan to - your friend should be aware of this. I don't think QF will really miss her 2 flights per year, esp if they are in economy. As noted by others it sounds like there is a legitimate reason and QF ground crews handled it well, the call centre (which it sounds like she spoke to first) had no other info to give, tho she should have spoken to ground crew in the first place.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:01 am
by EK413
aryonoco wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:

As to the reason for the delay, it doesn't sound like Qantas are being particularly shifty there, although I have no idea what you are alluding to about ATC. It sounds like there was a delay beyond their control which rolled on until the crew timed out. At that point the flight cannot depart even if ATC were going to dispatch them 2 minutes later. While frustrating, it is what it is and in those circumstances there is not much anyone can do to prevent it.


Yes, and I agree. Update on QF 94, the ground crew were lovely, and they of course took care of hotels etc during the delay. Good to hear that QF's JFK crew are still at the top of their game.


Sources indicate a mechanical delay which resulted in crew running out of hours. By the time crew ran out of hours (as already mentioned) their are no alternative other than rebook on the delayed service. Frustrating it may be I’d prefer the inconvenience than travel on a broken aircraft.

EK413

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:12 am
by acinvestigator
777Jet wrote:
F100Flyer wrote:
777Jet wrote:

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@acinvestigator: dnata also handle 3U on the ramp but it's not a daily operation.

@FlyDeltaJetsATL: I believe 26 June is the start date for the dnata / DL contract but could be wrong.


Could you please break-up your signature as it makes for difficult viewing on portable devices and forces the web page to be covered by the adverts - cheers.


First I've heard of that, thanks for explaining. That was the only way I could list those types without exceeding the space when I did it. I'll look into it.

@acinvestigator - Dnata also picked up LATAM but not sure of start date.


Thanks for your insights @ 777JET.

If you know anything else that could help please share.

Cheers!

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:50 am
by TasFlyer
getluv wrote:
Speaking of the NT, Qantas is launching thrice (Wed/Fri/Sun) weekly DRW-BME flights from October 27 on Fokker 100s. At this stage the route is running until the end of March 2020.

Link (Paywalled)


https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/flying-tourism-boost-for-the-territory/

Coincident with this, DRW-ASP is downgauging to the F100 because the 73H, which had replaced the 717, is too big!

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:39 pm
by FL420FT
qf789 wrote:
Qantas schedules one time SYD-LAX-MCO on 19 Jan 20, return sector departs 24 Jan 20

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 92193?s=20



If anyone is interested here are the timings for this SYD LAX MCO and return flights ...

QF17/19Jan SYD - LAX - MCO ...

ETD SYD 1025
ETA LAX 0515
ETD LAX 0730
ETA MCO 1455

QF18/24Jan MCO - LAX - SYD

ETD MCO 1800
ETA LAX 2020
ETD LAX 2235
ETA SYD 0835 +2

I've been told it is a charter, not who the charter is for.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:42 pm
by FL420FT
EK413 wrote:
aryonoco wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:

As to the reason for the delay, it doesn't sound like Qantas are being particularly shifty there, although I have no idea what you are alluding to about ATC. It sounds like there was a delay beyond their control which rolled on until the crew timed out. At that point the flight cannot depart even if ATC were going to dispatch them 2 minutes later. While frustrating, it is what it is and in those circumstances there is not much anyone can do to prevent it.


Yes, and I agree. Update on QF 94, the ground crew were lovely, and they of course took care of hotels etc during the delay. Good to hear that QF's JFK crew are still at the top of their game.


Sources indicate a mechanical delay which resulted in crew running out of hours. By the time crew ran out of hours (as already mentioned) their are no alternative other than rebook on the delayed service. Frustrating it may be I’d prefer the inconvenience than travel on a broken aircraft.

EK413


Update on this, the 'mechanical' was a catering truck that hit the rear of the wing damaging the flaps, requiring replacement. Rego was VH-OQA (poor old Nancy, in the wars again)

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:30 pm
by Boof
FL420FT wrote:
I've been told it is a charter, not who the charter is for.


There was a little bit of talk it might be the Exclusive Brethren again - going to Disney apparently. Just forum gossip of course but they did charter an A380 a couple of years ago so has some credibility.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:23 pm
by SeaEagle8
Looking at those BITRE figures again and specifically AUS-NZ.

I didn't realise at first glance but VA actually flew fewer passengers to NZ in March 2019 vs March 2018 despite a 17% increase in capacity.
I thought the lower LF was just not absorbing the increase in seats but to fly even fewer passengers? That's not good.
This has been the trend since the VA/NZ divorce.
I think they will have to cut more than just what they are planning.
All other carriers saw decent increases in passengers flown.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:45 pm
by eamondzhang
SeaEagle8 wrote:
Looking at those BITRE figures again and specifically AUS-NZ.

I didn't realise at first glance but VA actually flew fewer passengers to NZ in March 2019 vs March 2018 despite a 17% increase in capacity.
I thought the lower LF was just not absorbing the increase in seats but to fly even fewer passengers? That's not good.
This has been the trend since the VA/NZ divorce.
I think they will have to cut more than just what they are planning.
All other carriers saw decent increases in passengers flown.

If I have to bet it must be one of the underperforming sectors that the new CEO is talking about. Also goes to show who is hurt more from the VA/NZ divorce.

I can only bet cuts are coming if they want to focus on profitability, but it's only smoke at the moment.

Michael

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:17 am
by qf789
SeaEagle8 wrote:
Looking at those BITRE figures again and specifically AUS-NZ.

I didn't realise at first glance but VA actually flew fewer passengers to NZ in March 2019 vs March 2018 despite a 17% increase in capacity.
I thought the lower LF was just not absorbing the increase in seats but to fly even fewer passengers? That's not good.
This has been the trend since the VA/NZ divorce.
I think they will have to cut more than just what they are planning.
All other carriers saw decent increases in passengers flown.


To be fair one contributing factor is that Easter fell in late March last year versus mid April this year which has had some impact on those numbers. Of course VA where going to fair off worse than NZ after the break up but I still think it needs to be given more time. Also I would advise others to look at VA trends including that VA does reasonably well in peak periods though in the quieter months some of their numbers are the complete opposite. Should they cut HKG as well with an average 66% LF since starting the route. The new strategy Scurrah has been working on will likely be announced at the group result in August and hopefully that would be a clearer indication on how VA is planning for the coming years.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:53 am
by tullamarine
Today's Herald Sun has coverage of updates to MEL T3 where the old Hightide cafe has been closed and will converted into an AFL themed cafe/sports bar. It is unclear if this is just using the old Hightide footprint or also part of the old Irish bar also. Design sketches look pretty schmick and the area was due for an update; the Hightide and its predecessors had been pretty unchanged for over 30 years. Apparently this is a joint venture between AFL and Emirates Dining. It is due to open in November.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:17 am
by QF744ER
Have just arrived home in Perth after a trip to NYC.

We were booked on JFK-LAX-MEL (departing Wednesday 12th NY time) however the night before departing we received a notification via the app that QF94 had been re-timed to a 10am departure the following day, however later the evening we received further communication to check the app for our amended itinerary, upon checking we'd been rebooked on QF12 then QF575 (which later changed to 581 due to 12's late departure ex LAX due to 'Tarmac congestion'.

QF handled it textbook and their communication was first-class, this was due to the knock-on effect of -OQA being grounded in LAX.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:26 am
by EK413
FL420FT wrote:
EK413 wrote:
aryonoco wrote:

Yes, and I agree. Update on QF 94, the ground crew were lovely, and they of course took care of hotels etc during the delay. Good to hear that QF's JFK crew are still at the top of their game.


Sources indicate a mechanical delay which resulted in crew running out of hours. By the time crew ran out of hours (as already mentioned) their are no alternative other than rebook on the delayed service. Frustrating it may be I’d prefer the inconvenience than travel on a broken aircraft.

EK413


Update on this, the 'mechanical' was a catering truck that hit the rear of the wing damaging the flaps, requiring replacement. Rego was VH-OQA (poor old Nancy, in the wars again)


As a result of -OQA Sunday's QF11 will be operated by a B744 ;)

EK413

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:37 pm
by qf789
EK413 wrote:
FL420FT wrote:
EK413 wrote:

Sources indicate a mechanical delay which resulted in crew running out of hours. By the time crew ran out of hours (as already mentioned) their are no alternative other than rebook on the delayed service. Frustrating it may be I’d prefer the inconvenience than travel on a broken aircraft.

EK413


Update on this, the 'mechanical' was a catering truck that hit the rear of the wing damaging the flaps, requiring replacement. Rego was VH-OQA (poor old Nancy, in the wars again)


As a result of -OQA Sunday's QF11 will be operated by a B744 ;)

EK413


The 744 saves the day again

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:38 pm
by qf789
Cathay says codeshare with Qantas will increase tourism to Australia

https://australianaviation.com.au/2019/ ... n-tourism/

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:46 pm
by qf789
Qantas offering a $5 million grant package to regional communities over the next 5 years

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... l-flights/

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:53 pm
by EK413
qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
FL420FT wrote:

Update on this, the 'mechanical' was a catering truck that hit the rear of the wing damaging the flaps, requiring replacement. Rego was VH-OQA (poor old Nancy, in the wars again)


As a result of -OQA Sunday's QF11 will be operated by a B744 ;)

EK413


The 744 saves the day again


Certainly does & we can add Tuesday 18th to the list QF11 B744 Ops in lieu of A380 ;)

EK413

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:09 pm
by aryonoco
EK413 wrote:
Certainly does & we can add Tuesday 18th to the list QF11 B744 Ops in lieu of A380 ;)

EK413


This makes me think, when the 747s are all gone, if the A380 ever goes tech and has to be replaced, it would have to be replaced by the 789, no? That's a huge drop in capacity, and a lot of stranded passengers that QF would have to find another way to fly.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:11 pm
by aryonoco
What do you guys think about cabotage for Darwin and Broome? Would any foreign airline be interested if such rights were granted?

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:20 pm
by NTLDaz
aryonoco wrote:
What do you guys think about cabotage for Darwin and Broome? Would any foreign airline be interested if such rights were granted?


I'd be shocked if there's a mad rush by foreign carriers to fly from Broome or Darwin domestically. Maybe Air Asia ? They could use it as a scissor hub.

Darwin is reasonably served for a city of 150 000 people. Granted airfares can be high in the dry. You can usually get decent fares if you're prepared to fly JQ.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:07 am
by EK413
EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:

As a result of -OQA Sunday's QF11 will be operated by a B744 ;)

EK413


The 744 saves the day again


Certainly does & we can add Tuesday 18th to the list QF11 B744 Ops in lieu of A380 ;)

EK413


One of two things QF will regret retiring the B747’s & secondly I’d say once the B747’s are gone QF would have dispersed their U.S. flights. The SFO route already has services operated from MEL & BNE announced, DFW has been rumoured, and ORD to be confirmed.

Edit: Plus Project Sunrise aircraft would fill the gap left behind with the departure of the B747.

Sources have indicated -OQA is still AOG in LAX & waiting on replacement parts.

EK413

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:14 am
by undertheradar
aryonoco wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Certainly does & we can add Tuesday 18th to the list QF11 B744 Ops in lieu of A380 ;)

EK413


This makes me think, when the 747s are all gone, if the A380 ever goes tech and has to be replaced, it would have to be replaced by the 789, no? That's a huge drop in capacity, and a lot of stranded passengers that QF would have to find another way to fly.


It's no different to ANY airline when an aircraft 'goes tech'. There are various alternatives that could be used (eg..other scheduled flights, if seats available/other airlines, if seats available/flights from other airports, if seats available....) Could involve no delays, a few hrs to a couple of days delay to get passengers to their final destination as quickly as possible..it may not be on the same day, but these situations happen to EVERY airline. It's actually just fortunate that currently QANTAS has some slack in the B744 flying schedule AND they have the AVAILABLE (flight and cabin) CREW. Not ALL crew can operate both/all types of aircraft. Once the B744s retire QANTAS will do what EVERY other airline will do when in such circumstances. Get all passengers to their final destination AS QUICKLY AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE. When a Virgin Australia B777 'goes tech' (they don't have a similar size aircraft to 'use as an alternative'), they do the same thing, and use various alternatives available to them at that time to get all passengers to their final destination as quickly as humanly possible :)

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:18 am
by moa999
And when the 747s go, QF will have more 789s.

When aircraft go tech a long way from home on almost any airline they will have issues.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:26 am
by undertheradar
EK413[/quote]

One of two things QF will regret retiring the B747’s & secondly I’d say once the B747’s are gone QF would have dispersed their U.S. flights. The SFO route already has services operated from MEL & BNE announced, DFW has been rumoured, and ORD to be confirmed.

Sources have indicated -OQA is still AOG in LAX & waiting on replacement parts.

EK413[/quote]

I don't see how 'dispersing' their flights to the U.S (sans B744) is a 'regret' for QF. Flying from MORE ports in OZ to MORE ports in the U.S. MORE choices. MORE PREMIUM seating, MORE profit. Seems like a win for QF AND travellers.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:35 am
by EK413
Perhaps read my quote again.

One of two things QF will regret retiring the B747’s & secondly I’d say once the B747’s are gone QF would have dispersed their U.S. flights. The SFO route already has services operated from MEL & BNE announced, DFW has been rumoured, and ORD to be confirmed. & adding to it once flights are dispersed an aircraft with the capacity of B747/A380 wouldn’t be necessary in the event of disruption management.

EK413

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:43 am
by aryonoco
undertheradar wrote:

It's no different to ANY airline when an aircraft 'goes tech'.


Yes I didn't say it was. It was just that QF was fortunate in the past decade or so to have two long haul aircraft with similar-ish capacities that could cover for one another. This will change when the 747s are gone. It was just an observations.

undertheradar wrote:

I don't see how 'dispersing' their flights to the U.S (sans B744) is a 'regret' for QF. Flying from MORE ports in OZ to MORE ports in the U.S. MORE choices. MORE PREMIUM seating, MORE profit. Seems like a win for QF AND travellers.



undertheradar wrote:

It's no different to ANY airline when an aircraft 'goes tech'.


Yes I didn't say it was. It was just that QF was fortunate in the past decade or so to have two long haul aircraft with similar-ish capacities that could cover for one another. This will change when the 747s are gone. It was just an observations.

undertheradar wrote:

I don't see how 'dispersing' their flights to the U.S (sans B744) is a 'regret' for QF. Flying from MORE ports in OZ to MORE ports in the U.S. MORE choices. MORE PREMIUM seating, MORE profit. Seems like a win for QF AND travellers.



EK413 never said QF regrets retiring the 747. Just that things are now different.

And what's with the selective capitalisation? People generally don't like being shouted at.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:00 am
by waoz1
Direct Busso - Melb flights looking they might be getting closer

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/melbourn ... 881230719z

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:27 am
by undertheradar
My caps are used to highlight words..I grew up in a generation where caps were used to highlight/accentuate ceratin words in print, not the recent generation 'meaning' of shouting.
Also some posts can be misinterpreted when punctuation is lacking, in the wrong place or not used at all.
Cheers.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:03 am
by EK413
undertheradar wrote:
My caps are used to highlight words..I grew up in a generation where caps were used to highlight/accentuate ceratin words in print, not the recent generation 'meaning' of shouting.
Also some posts can be misinterpreted when punctuation is lacking, in the wrong place or not used at all.
Cheers.


It’s a discussion thread not a yelling debate. As for highlighting certain words perhaps use the tools made available to all users

You are implying my post lacks punctuation?!?

EK413

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:33 am
by RyanairGuru
undertheradar wrote:
My caps are used to highlight words..I grew up in a generation where caps were used to highlight/accentuate ceratin words in print, not the recent generation 'meaning' of shouting.
Also some posts can be misinterpreted when punctuation is lacking, in the wrong place or not used at all.
Cheers.


bold
underline
italics

These are normal ways of accentuating words in print. Capitals are yelling. It's the height of arrogance to try and defend your use of capitals.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:02 am
by qf789
As per forum rules regarding all caps

Thread titles and post content should not be typed in ALL CAPS, non-English characters, etc., and sources/links should either be in English or have an English translation provided by the poster.


Now can we get back to discussing Australian Aviation

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:09 am
by ben175
waoz1 wrote:
Direct Busso - Melb flights looking they might be getting closer

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/melbourn ... 881230719z


This is really exciting.

I would imagine some more RPT services on PER-BQB to allow for connections from East coast arrivals may hopefully be on the cards too.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:16 am
by EK413
Brisbane currently dealing with bad weather and thunderstorms. The QF620, QF532 & QF538 are diverting to OOL.

EK413

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:12 am
by QF742
waoz1 wrote:
Direct Busso - Melb flights looking they might be getting closer

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/melbourn ... 881230719z


I remember this was discussed not too long ago. Hopefully this time things finally get going.

South-west WA is so beautiful, direct flights could really bring a lot of tourism to the area. For now, I quite enjoy how (relatively) uncrowded it is!

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:36 pm
by jman
Qantas to announce non-stop flights from BNE to SFO and ORD today

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-non-sto ... paign=news

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:00 pm
by x1234
In my opinion QF should be flying BNE-SFO & BNE-DFW. DFW offers MORE connections via AA's megahub than ORD ever will. Plus with ANZ flying AKL-ORD non-stop it negates the ORD factor.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:12 pm
by smi0006
I wonder how much longer before we see a further top up order of 789 for QF. I’m sure they have proved their ability to make a return on their investment. Would they order ya the same times as project sunrise? Or try and keep the announcements seperate and spread the good news?

Hopefully we hear from AA on their plans soon too.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 12:28 am
by QF742
[twoid][/twoid]
jman wrote:
Qantas to announce non-stop flights from BNE to SFO and ORD today

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-non-sto ... paign=news


Does this mean the JV is now formally approved? I understood from initial media release that these routes would be launched when JV is formally approved.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:14 am
by aryonoco
ben175 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
Direct Busso - Melb flights looking they might be getting closer

https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/melbourn ... 881230719z


This is really exciting.

I would imagine some more RPT services on PER-BQB to allow for connections from East coast arrivals may hopefully be on the cards too.


These are the kind of routes that make me think that The A220 could fill a useful niche in the Australian market.

Hope the route materialises.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:26 am
by moa999
But are they routes that a much cheaper 717/F100 couldn't fly?

Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:35 am
by EK413
QF A380 VHOQA damaged last week by a catering truck under going repairs at the LAX Hangars.

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Source https://www.instagram.com/p/Byya0G5BRM2 ... 8os87qwp1m



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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:45 am
by SeaEagle8
QF742 wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
jman wrote:
Qantas to announce non-stop flights from BNE to SFO and ORD today

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-non-sto ... paign=news


Does this mean the JV is now formally approved? I understood from initial media release that these routes would be launched when JV is formally approved.


No. Like most new routes though they are announced “subject to XXX” approval. Unless there aren’t any restrictions in place.
QF will formally announce the routes subject to JV final approval. I’m sure QF and AA are fairly confident the approval is now just a formality.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:07 am
by CraigAnderson
The question is, where are these 789's coming from? They can't be part of the additional order, as this was supposed to be 747 replacement, so what current QF 789 routes could be dropped? SYD-HKG is an obvious one, back to an A330, but that's just one aircraft and for ORD and SFO you'd need, what, five or six? Obviously less if these are not daily, so maybe 3-4?

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:14 am
by SCFlyer
CraigAnderson wrote:
The question is, where are these 789's coming from? They can't be part of the additional order, as this was supposed to be 747 replacement, so what current QF 789 routes could be dropped? SYD-HKG is an obvious one, back to an A330, but that's just one aircraft and for ORD and SFO you'd need, what, five or six? Obviously less if these are not daily, so maybe 3-4?


QF55/56 (x3 BNE-LAX) gets replaced with BNE-SFO, reducing BNE-LAX from 10x weekly back to daily QF15/16 BNE-LAX-JFK & v.v. Pretty simple.

The 7x weekly BNE-ORD/SFO frequencies are shared between 2 aircraft from the existing 4x BNE based 789s. Leaving one city with x3 weekly (e.g SFO) and the other city (e.g ORD) with x4 weekly.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:25 am
by Pcoder
I haven't heard too much on what American will add with the joint venture. The second daily flights to LAX from BNE and MEL could become theirs, with a DFW to either MEL or BNE. It's a bit surprising we haven't heard too much from American on new possible destinations.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:55 am
by RyanairGuru
Pcoder wrote:
I haven't heard too much on what American will add with the joint venture. The second daily flights to LAX from BNE and MEL could become theirs, with a DFW to either MEL or BNE. It's a bit surprising we haven't heard too much from American on new possible destinations.


AA have said that they will not add any new routes until Northern Winter 2020/2021, which is 16 months away. We probably won't hear much from them until early next year.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:58 am
by CraigAnderson
BNE-ORD and BNE-SFO both confirmed, but not until "end of April 2020" https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-brisban ... co-flights

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:03 am
by smi0006
QF press release is out;

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... francisco/

ORD is 4 weekly
SFO is 3 weekly

Expected to start before April, no schedule just yet.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 3:14 am
by SeaEagle8
SCFlyer wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
The question is, where are these 789's coming from? They can't be part of the additional order, as this was supposed to be 747 replacement, so what current QF 789 routes could be dropped? SYD-HKG is an obvious one, back to an A330, but that's just one aircraft and for ORD and SFO you'd need, what, five or six? Obviously less if these are not daily, so maybe 3-4?


QF55/56 (x3 BNE-LAX) gets replaced with BNE-SFO, reducing BNE-LAX from 10x weekly back to daily QF15/16 BNE-LAX-JFK & v.v. Pretty simple.

The 7x weekly BNE-ORD/SFO frequencies are shared between 2 aircraft from the existing 4x BNE based 789s. Leaving one city with x3 weekly (e.g SFO) and the other city (e.g ORD) with x4 weekly.


Looks like you nailed it and how it’s going to be fleeted. Is that a word? So easily all handled with the 4 BNE based Dreamliner fleet. So a net gain of 3-4 flights per week to the US on QF.

So now we just need to speculate on what AA will do.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2019

Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:16 am
by qf2220
x1234 wrote:
DFW offers MORE connections via AA's megahub than ORD ever will.


What does ORD offer that DFW doesn't though? Perhaps better connections to the NE and maybe through to central and eastern Canada? Plus ORD traffic can now travel longer on QF metal, making more money for QF.

EDIT: Per the press release
Qantas wrote:
giving Qantas customers access to 30 additional unique one-stop destinations from Australia.


Plus, refer to qf789s comment re caps above.