CaliguyNYC wrote:aarbee wrote:CaliguyNYC wrote:Given the current state of Indian aviation, I am not disputing their choice. I would rather focus on why. Why is it no Indian airline can fly wide bodies profitably from India? I mean India is a huge source market for traffic (the source market usually gets to control a good chunk on the travelers). Plus inbound tourism, while not France, is still not bad. If I remember correctly India has more inbound tourists than Brazil or Israel. So what is the issue. Taxes (we know this), ME3 bilaters/competition, poor management, lack of capital?? The GOI has to create the right business environment. They can't solve bad management, but something tells me it is structural rather than management.
Too late in the game
Failed to create new markets
Focus remained on BOM/DEL/LON/NYC.
For inbound tourism why would (say) EU tourist want to travel Jet Airways? Existing carriers provided
What did Jet provide for the tourists, which they did not already have (hence failure to create market).
- More familiarity
- Flexibility - Italian tourists did not have to travel 3 hours in wrong direction to reach India),
- Affiliation to their mileage gathering
- Could already use FSC 9W/AI for travel beyond BOM/DELCaliguyNYC wrote:So right choice, but super sad. Just means a lot of Jet's market share INTL will go to foreign carriers.
On the other hand Indigo. Hey Vietnamese tourists, you want to visit Rajasthan. We'll get you there via CCU and saving you time.
Hey US VFRs from 10 cities (in USA) ME3 will get you to AMD, ATQ, JAI and 8-10 other cities with one stop, without hassle of NYC and BOM.
The indigo flight will target Indian tourist not Vietnamese (I am willing to bet that few from Hanoi will vacation in CCU or India). Btw I think the route will fail (unless someone can show me the data that people are flying between the two countries - and we can double that number because of this new flight - 0 X 2 = 0
Of course not initially. Neither I have the data, nor I'm betting the flight will be runaway success. But I'm sure Indigo has some data points.
WRT to not being used by Vietnamese tourists, if there is an opening, budget airline is more possible. If the fares are way lower than the usual FSC fares and the right vacation packages might lure some. I'm sure back in 2000 not many Indians were clamoring to vacation in Dubai, maybe some Vietnamese might start thinking to vacation in India.
CaliguyNYC wrote:Your point about the ME3 is exactly the point I was making. How is that a win for India. Those jobs lie with the ME3 not India for Indians. Remember you always had the option to fly the ME3 but wait....so so so so many people did not fly them and have no desire to fly them. Choice was lost. That is always a negative. I don't want the ME3 to not fly to India the flip side also holds true - I don't want India to not have airlines that fly long haul when India is a HUGE long haul source country.
IT IS. Providing easy access to world wide destinations to the rest of ping pong playing India outside of BOM is a huge benefit. As a a matter of fact it has relieved the load on BOM and reliance on BOM/DEL for India's passengers.
And that's where you are wrong my friend. I didn't have an option to to fly ME3. For years there was NO option. The only mechanism was to have 40+ hours door-to-door journey on a sub-par product via EU (not great customer service, shaky DC-10s/B747-200s, IFE, food, you name it) , feeling the brunt of BOM in late hours and NO artwork to admire. ME3 provided an option - 24 hr door-door journey, enjoyable products.
So the choice was NOT lost. ME3 created a choice. On top of that because of the convenience, frequency of the visits people to India have increased. Also if there is a need to make shorter trips (1 weekish) its opens up opportunities.
Just because airlines of India cannot figure out on how to cater to this market and failure of one private FSC does not mean Indian aviation has suffered. Indian aviation just registered a blip and moved forward. Just because you do not want to fly ME3 does not mean the passengers of daily 5X EK flights to BOM do not want to.
As far as on the job front, it is also a plus for India. Consider visiting UAE airport and see how many Indian ex-pats are there.
- There are jobs for people who did not even have an opportunity in India. People who have comparatively better life, sacrifice to staying with their families for the advancement of their families in India.
- On the other end of the spectrum white collar skill set are also flourishing there.
I'm not trying to paint a rosy picture, but where do you think the money ends up eventually. Significant percentage pumped backed into Indian economy.