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Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:49 pm
by Fargo
Once the new terminal opens at SLC, could we see DL expand SLC closer to 400 flights and add more destinations? There are still some regional destinations in the west that UA serves out of DEN that DL at SLC does not cover, and the frequencies on some of the routes are not as great as UA at DEN.

For example, I am looking to fly BNA-FLG this fall and DL is not even an option. And even if it were, DL sometimes only offers 1-2 frequencies on BNA-SLC while BNA-DEN on UA usually has at least 3, thus providing more connecting opportunities.

DL has a great asset at SLC, you'd think it would be bigger. Maybe it will be eventually?

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:52 pm
by intotheair
Maybe. As a DEN homer, I applaud SLC's terminal redevelopment, but I do feel like it's too small compared to the airport's potential.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:55 pm
by tphuang
Also question is how much does SLC compete against sea for Delta?

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:07 pm
by DL747400
tphuang wrote:
Also question is how much does SLC compete against sea for Delta?


The same question could be asked about DTW versus MSP. They seem to coexist quite well. In the decade since the DL/NW merger, a great deal of refinement has been done on adjusting specific traffic flows through DTW and MSP in order to minimize the amount of compete traffic. Over the past couple of years, I have witnessed indications that DL is doing the same with SEA versus SLC traffic flows.

The SLC hub needs to grow. No question about that. Numerous opportunities to grow the SLC short/medium haul routes using the A220. SLC also has many opportunities for additional nonstops to the east coast.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:48 pm
by compensateme
Yes, I believe that once SLC’s new terminal opens, DL will build the hub up to rival DEN. SLC will grow from 157 mainline/281 total peak flights to 222 mainline/504 peak flights than UA offers at DEN. Therefore, I expect DL to place an order for ~50 aircraft soon, just to account for SLC growth.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:51 pm
by Fargo
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around, DTW is more of a connecting point while MSP is more O&D. Could someone provide more data on this?

Regardless, I have long contended both SLC and DTW are underutilized for a connecting standpoint in the DL network.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:53 pm
by oosnowrat
I think the hub will certainly grow. The airport advisory board has already said the redevelopment will meet the airport's needs for only five years after completion.

I don't get the impression that SLC competes with SEA. It seems more that DL looks at whole of SLC, LAX and SEA as a complimentary system.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:56 pm
by Fargo
oosnowrat wrote:
I think the hub will certainly grow. The airport advisory board has already said the redevelopment will meet the airport's needs for only five years after completion.

I don't get the impression that SLC competes with SEA. It seems more that DL looks at whole of SLC, LAX and SEA as a complimentary system.


Could they add additional concourses beyond what is being built if needed?

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:10 pm
by oosnowrat
Fargo wrote:
oosnowrat wrote:
I think the hub will certainly grow. The airport advisory board has already said the redevelopment will meet the airport's needs for only five years after completion.

I don't get the impression that SLC competes with SEA. It seems more that DL looks at whole of SLC, LAX and SEA as a complimentary system.


Could they add additional concourses beyond what is being built if needed?


There is another concourse in the master plan, but it would require moving a fair amount of infrastructure. I've not heard of a timeframe for that.

Edit to add link.

https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php? ... type=CMSID

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:30 pm
by umichman
Fargo wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around, DTW is more of a connecting point while MSP is more O&D. Could someone provide more data on this?

Regardless, I have long contended both SLC and DTW are underutilized for a connecting standpoint in the DL network.


They are pretty close. MSP is 60.6% O&D while DTW is 58.3%. Thats total airport traffic, but DL's percentage of overall traffic at both airports is fairly similar (in the low 70% range), so it's reasonable to extrapolate that O&D numbers for DL are similar (since the non-DL traffic will almost be entirely O&D). For reference, ATL is only 38.3% O&D and I believe CLT has an even lower percentage (don't have the exact number off hand). The notion that DTW is somehow a proxy for the City of Detroit is quite flawed. Many of the people and jobs that left the city simply migrated to the suburbs in Macomb, Oakland, Livingston, Washtenaw and western Wayne counties. DTW continues to serve as the primary airport for these locations. It has also benefited somewhat from the reductions in service at nearby TOL and FNT airports over the years.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:32 pm
by MIflyer12
Fargo wrote:
Once the new terminal opens at SLC, could we see DL expand SLC closer to 400 flights and add more destinations?


Bulk up like [email protected]? No - SLC hasn't even 40% of the O&D traffic of DEN. FSDan's work on hub departures by aircraft show SLC is going to feel some upgauging pain, with 44 CR2s and 77 CR7/CR9/E75 out of SLC's total 281 DL flights. viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420613

For the airports as a whole - not specifically [email protected] vs [email protected] - the O&D percentages are pretty close per a 2018 MCO Airport study.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:43 pm
by Pi7472000
I would be surpriaed to see SLC grow like DEN. I was just there and it was a small city. Yes, it is growing and isolated, but compared to Denver it felt small. SLC seems to have great service for a city of its size. Maybe a few more frequencies would be nice, especially to the East.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:46 pm
by LAXdude1023
SLC is so much smaller than DEN as an O&D market, so no I cant really see them matching DEN.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:46 pm
by compensateme
SLC surpassed CLT last year in terms of local traffic...

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:55 pm
by ual763
It surpassed CLT for one reason and one reason alone, all the skiers going there for winter vacations. Whereas most airports are busiest in Summer, SLC is unique in that it is very busy in Winter.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:51 pm
by Fargo
Pi7472000 wrote:
I would be surpriaed to see SLC grow like DEN. I was just there and it was a small city. Yes, it is growing and isolated, but compared to Denver it felt small. SLC seems to have great service for a city of its size. Maybe a few more frequencies would be nice, especially to the East.


The SLC CSA is over 2.6 million and growing, not huge, but not small potatoes either.

To clarify, I am not saying DL at SLC matches UA at DEN, as UA is over 500 flights and growing. However, I don't see why getting it to around 400 with more regional destination adds isn't feasible.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:54 pm
by klm617
compensateme wrote:
Yes, I believe that once SLC’s new terminal opens, DL will build the hub up to rival DEN. SLC will grow from 157 mainline/281 total peak flights to 222 mainline/504 peak flights than UA offers at DEN. Therefore, I expect DL to place an order for ~50 aircraft soon, just to account for SLC growth.



This might be the seceret plan for the A220. While most think they are to build the AUS focus when no one is looking they are going to make SLC the super hub of the western US.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:55 pm
by klm617
ual763 wrote:
It surpassed CLT for one reason and one reason alone, all the skiers going there for winter vacations. Whereas most airports are busiest in Summer, SLC is unique in that it is very busy in Winter.


It doesn't matter why they di

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:59 pm
by slcdeltarumd11
I mean what is delta really missing at SLC? Its not like they do not have good coverage right now. What cities specifically do you think united flys too that delta doesn't that need coverage? Delta has anything the local business community really needs.

United has to be more competitive at Denver because southwest and frontier and fighting for customers too, they have a little more of a captive audience in SLC.

Biggest low hanging fruit are some cities in the east , and a few I bet we see come back when delta has a little more slack in gates. I don't see a major shift in strategy though delta has been very profitable for a long time. Anything missing would not be important business routes delta has made sure those are covered.

A220 could open Ric, Jax,buf, bdl, sat only btv /syr/alb places like that. Nothing Earth shattering.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:05 pm
by klm617
Fargo wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's the other way around, DTW is more of a connecting point while MSP is more O&D. Could someone provide more data on this?

Regardless, I have long contended both SLC and DTW are underutilized for a connecting standpoint in the DL network.



I agree 100% there sure are but it's all politcal. MSP has diversity where Detroit doesn't so hence Delta has no need to grow at DTW until the WCAA takes an active intiative to attract more diverse traffic.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:31 pm
by compensateme
ual763 wrote:
It surpassed CLT for one reason and one reason alone, all the skiers going there for winter vacations. Whereas most airports are busiest in Summer, SLC is unique in that it is very busy in Winter.


I doubt it was for that reason alone. SLC has seen around a 40% increase in local traffic in the past several years. That may be the largest percentage growth in the country for medium/large airports.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:36 pm
by TWA772LR
Not knowing anything about the growth of the SLC metro population and economy, would the area really support a UA-in-DEN sized operation? Denver is growing like a weed.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:43 pm
by compensateme
TWA772LR wrote:
Not knowing anything about the growth of the SLC metro population and economy, would the area really support a UA-in-DEN sized operation? Denver is growing like a weed.


Sure, why not? It’s a.net after all. Plus, don’t forget that DEN has not one but three hubs. All that weed... made DEN grow like a weed! Pretty soon, the hub will be mushrooming out!

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:47 pm
by Bobloblaw
CLT and SLC maybe close in local passengers but CLT revenue is likey much higher thanks to banking. Charlotte is the #2 or 3 banking center in the USA

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:58 pm
by klm617
Bobloblaw wrote:
CLT and SLC maybe close in local passengers but CLT revenue is likey much higher thanks to banking. Charlotte is the #2 or 3 banking center in the USA



Let's be clear banking and financial center are not the same thing. Just because it's the number 3 banking center doesn't mean really much of anything if it was a finantial center then there might be some credability to your statement.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:03 pm
by Bobloblaw
klm617 wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
CLT and SLC maybe close in local passengers but CLT revenue is likey much higher thanks to banking. Charlotte is the #2 or 3 banking center in the USA



Let's be clear banking and financial center are not the same thing. Just because it's the number 3 banking center doesn't mean really much of anything if it was a finantial center then there might be some credability to your statement.

Are you even remotely familiar with CLT?

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:10 pm
by TTailedTiger
Delta can't even keep consistent service to large cities like MIA, FLL, TPA, CLT, RDU, PIT, CMH from SLC. The have all been stopped and started multiple times. Dela can't just add capacity to SLC and hope it works. The demand has to be there. As far as a transpacific flight goes, their ownly hope is KE using a 787 to ICN.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:01 am
by MastaHanky
I do see growth potential - although nothing to resemble DEN. I would expect some eastern markets like RDU and CLT increase to 2x daily (on smaller aircraft of course - I think both of those are perfect for 2x A220), and maybe adding back some regional markets that have lost service like BFL, MRY and DGO. The SLC metro area isn't huge by any means, but is creeping up on the 3 million mark which I wouldn't exactly call tiny.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:42 am
by PSU.DTW.SCE
My head is spinning reading this thread... I can’t comprehend what is fact, fiction, fake news, or typical a.net hypothetical nonsense.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:49 am
by N649DL
Not until the new terminal opens. Compared to UA at DEN, you're probably not going to see some of the new UAL additions on DL to SLC like BTV or PWM and I doubt NRT is going to ever come back. They have done a nice job of up-gauging certain routes like SLC-EWR used to be an A320 and it's now a 737-900ER most of the year.

In terms of general terminal improvements, SLC gets the shaft by DL more or less compared to other hubs (like CVG). The gate areas still have the older digital displays and occasionally not functioning properly.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:56 am
by IPFreely
tphuang wrote:
Also question is how much does SLC compete against sea for Delta?


This is the first thing I thought when I saw the topic. Along with LAX. DEN is an much larger O/D market than SLC. It is also perfectly positioned geographically as a hub in UA's network. For DL, SLC somewhat duplicates SEA and LAX.

DL at SLC "bulked up" to be like UA at DEN? That's laughable. SLC is a lot more likely to end up like CVG for DL. Although the lack of competition at SLC probably means it outlasts SEA as a DL hub.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:18 am
by Fargo
IPFreely wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Also question is how much does SLC compete against sea for Delta?


This is the first thing I thought when I saw the topic. Along with LAX. DEN is an much larger O/D market than SLC. It is also perfectly positioned geographically as a hub in UA's network. For DL, SLC somewhat duplicates SEA and LAX.

DL at SLC "bulked up" to be like UA at DEN? That's laughable. SLC is a lot more likely to end up like CVG for DL. Although the lack of competition at SLC probably means it outlasts SEA as a DL hub.


Don't you have anything better to do with your time than bash DL?

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:19 am
by Fargo
N649DL wrote:
Not until the new terminal opens. Compared to UA at DEN, you're probably not going to see some of the new UAL additions on DL to SLC like BTV or PWM and I doubt NRT is going to ever come back. They have done a nice job of up-gauging certain routes like SLC-EWR used to be an A320 and it's now a 737-900ER most of the year.

In terms of general terminal improvements, SLC gets the shaft by DL more or less compared to other hubs (like CVG). The gate areas still have the older digital displays and occasionally not functioning properly.


The gate areas should all be fixed with the new terminal, right?

So markets like FLG will never be served from SLC? I think there is more that could be done at SLC once the new terminal is done.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:20 am
by 77H
compensateme wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Not knowing anything about the growth of the SLC metro population and economy, would the area really support a UA-in-DEN sized operation? Denver is growing like a weed.


Sure, why not? It’s a.net after all. Plus, don’t forget that DEN has not one but three hubs. All that weed... made DEN grow like a weed! Pretty soon, the hub will be mushrooming out!


I see what you did there.

77H

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:01 am
by 717atOGG
IPFreely wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Also question is how much does SLC compete against sea for Delta?


This is the first thing I thought when I saw the topic. Along with LAX. DEN is an much larger O/D market than SLC. It is also perfectly positioned geographically as a hub in UA's network. For DL, SLC somewhat duplicates SEA and LAX.

DL at SLC "bulked up" to be like UA at DEN? That's laughable. SLC is a lot more likely to end up like CVG for DL. Although the lack of competition at SLC probably means it outlasts SEA as a DL hub.

How are SLC and CVG similar? CVG was profitable for DL until it started becoming too reliant on CRJs and fuel subsequently spiked, but SLC has a good mainline-regional ratio that's been steadily getting better over the years. Also, SEA and LAX can't replace SLC. Neither airport could absorb the capacity, neither are well-geographically positioned to serve small Mountain West airports (e.g PIH, LWS, BTM, etc.), and there's no way that DL will have nothing between SEA/LAX and MSP. I will admit that after the new terminal opens, SLC will need to figure out how to keep operating costs down to prevent a situation like PIT/US Airways post-9/11, but other than that, I think the hub has a good future for DL.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:09 am
by TWA902fly
Bobloblaw wrote:
klm617 wrote:
Bobloblaw wrote:
CLT and SLC maybe close in local passengers but CLT revenue is likey much higher thanks to banking. Charlotte is the #2 or 3 banking center in the USA



Let's be clear banking and financial center are not the same thing. Just because it's the number 3 banking center doesn't mean really much of anything if it was a finantial center then there might be some credability to your statement.

Are you even remotely familiar with CLT?


SLC is actually the #1 industrial banking center in the US.

'902

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:20 am
by jplatts
There are still some nonstop routes to domestic destinations east of SLC such as SLC-BHM, SLC-BIS, SLC-CID, SLC-FAR, SLC-XNA, SLC-GRR, SLC-BDL, SLC-TYS, SLC-LNK, SLC-SDF, SLC-MEM, SLC-MLI, SLC-ORF, SLC-FSD, SLC-ICT, and SLC-ISN that could be added by DL once the new terminal at SLC opens.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:25 am
by redzeppelin
The Salt Lake Tribune ran an article in October featuring an interview with DL CFO Paul Jacobsen, which is directly related to many issues in this thread.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... big-delta/

I thought this quote was interesting:
While Salt Lake City is Delta’s fourth largest hub (behind Atlanta, Detroit and Minneapolis), it is the airline’s fastest-growing, adding 25 percent more seats since 2014. Salt Lake is part of a Western tri-hub structure for Delta with Los Angeles and Seattle.
Salt Lake “is more important and more valuable than it was as a stand-alone hub with a smaller West Coast presence prior to the merger," Jacobson said.


My interpretation of the Jacobson quote is that the growth in LAX and SEA has boosted DL's west coast market share enough that SLC has become more valuable as a hub to serve those new western customers. SEA provides synergy to SLC, rather than competition.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:39 am
by redzeppelin
I've lived in the SLC area for a long time. I also lived in Bozeman (BZN) for many years while working a travel-heavy job. I love the SLC airport, and view DEN as a rival. But from my time living in BZN and booking lots of connecting flights, I came to realize that DL uses MSP for a lot of the flows that UA sends via DEN. It's impossible to compare hubs directly between carriers. Each airline has their own hub strategy. It's easy to assume that SLC and DEN must have similar purposes in each network, but they don't. DEN is a bigger market, but it is also about 400 miles further east. Both factors are important here.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:55 am
by questions
When the new terminal is built, Delta is going to launch SLC-HKG.

Seriously... I’m always surprised at the amount of West Coast traffic that flows through MSP, DTW and ATL. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some of the traffic that flows though ATL to go through SLC. When traveling to the Southeast I’d rather fly through SLC than ATL.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:12 am
by N649DL
Fargo wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Not until the new terminal opens. Compared to UA at DEN, you're probably not going to see some of the new UAL additions on DL to SLC like BTV or PWM and I doubt NRT is going to ever come back. They have done a nice job of up-gauging certain routes like SLC-EWR used to be an A320 and it's now a 737-900ER most of the year.

In terms of general terminal improvements, SLC gets the shaft by DL more or less compared to other hubs (like CVG). The gate areas still have the older digital displays and occasionally not functioning properly.


The gate areas should all be fixed with the new terminal, right?

So markets like FLG will never be served from SLC? I think there is more that could be done at SLC once the new terminal is done.


I'd imagine so. I was just in MSP last week and I guess there's a "Phase 2" to the gate areas with illuminated (fluorescent) backgrounds and desks. They looked sharp. That's not to say SLC looks bad per say, the gate areas are always clean and fine, they just don't get the latest and greatest like JFK does.

SLC is NOT like CVG as a hub at all. First off, CVG is now officially a DL Focus City, SLC is a stable hub. Second, DL enjoyed 70-80% of a hub captive audience. For a small city, this is incredible much like what UA enjoyed in CLE until they ditched it.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:26 am
by slcdeltarumd11
You have to remember Delta has to work with a very old terminal in SLC not designed to handle even a quarter of the traffic it sees today. Alot of improvements will come out of the new terminals.

The airport nor delta is going to pour money into something set to be totally replaced. Alot of routes that were cut are just not as important as other routes. They only have so many mainline gates right now, their options will greatly improve.

Delta was a huge player in all parts of new terminal designs. Delta has then gone and put their own additional money out for additional improvements by their own choice and they are paying 100% of those costs. Lots of improvements coming, and it will be an even better airport for connections coming.

The airport has 0% chance of becoming a PIT. They were sitting on piles of cash they have built up for so many years of being a Delta hub to use for the terminal construction. Unlike other airports they are not taking on some huge unpayable debt to fund this with too high airport fees. Fees will remain very low. They easily can afford this, SLC was sitting on the biggest pile of cash of any airport. They raked in Delta money for so long and really have had very low operating expenses and few major projects. Kind of the opposite of the NYNJ Port Authority its been very well managed. Cash reserves for the airport were going up for years and expenses low. Building this only makes sense and will meet much-needed earthquake standards too. Tons of needed improvements coming and Delta will have alot more flexibility and ability to do things with the new terminals built with their feedback and design specs. I think alot of people when they see the new SLC will consider it more often for connections! They were pretty conservative on construction costs considering how massive a project this is.

From a customer choice perspective Right now if you connect thru Denver and SLC there is no question which is newer, more modern looking, has more seating, etc etc. Denver wins in ever way. Denver really sets the standard as Americas best connection airport. The new SLC will really get them back to a more competitive position and SLC has less turbulence and better weather. Again they have cash, and boardings keep going up, this will not create a massive increase in fees for airlines/customers. They are not making a PIT mistake here, these improvements are just needed for a place growing as fast as SLC and to enter this century.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:05 am
by ADent
TTailedTiger wrote:
Delta can't even keep consistent service to large cities like MIA, FLL, TPA, CLT, RDU, PIT, CMH from SLC. The have all been stopped and started multiple times. Dela can't just add capacity to SLC and hope it works. The demand has to be there. As far as a transpacific flight goes, their ownly hope is KE using a 787 to ICN.

United does not do DEN-MIA. DEN-CLT is ERJ175 which I do not think will make it SLC-CLT.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:48 am
by BTV290
Is there not going to be a reduction in number of gates after this construction is done, though? Looking at the easily accessible plans online, it looks as though far fewer planes can be parked at the new terminal than the old. Especially if you count all the E gates as actual gates... Would this not be somewhat limiting to growth?

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:12 am
by toltommy
oosnowrat wrote:
I think the hub will certainly grow. The airport advisory board has already said the redevelopment will meet the airport's needs for only five years after completion.


According to the link provided that five year timeline was with the North concourse not being fully built out as part of the initial build. SLC decided last year to fully build out that second concourse, giving 15 additional gates. It also appears the third concourse can be built, it's the fourth that would need the infrastructure moves. The link was very helpful.

I forget, is there a train in the tunnel between concourses?

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:28 am
by Fargo
toltommy wrote:
oosnowrat wrote:
I think the hub will certainly grow. The airport advisory board has already said the redevelopment will meet the airport's needs for only five years after completion.


According to the link provided that five year timeline was with the North concourse not being fully built out as part of the initial build. SLC decided last year to fully build out that second concourse, giving 15 additional gates. It also appears the third concourse can be built, it's the fourth that would need the infrastructure moves. The link was very helpful.

I forget, is there a train in the tunnel between concourses?


Do you have a source stating SLC will build out the remaining 15 gates on the satellite?

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:36 pm
by ADM94
Fargo wrote:
toltommy wrote:
oosnowrat wrote:
I think the hub will certainly grow. The airport advisory board has already said the redevelopment will meet the airport's needs for only five years after completion.


According to the link provided that five year timeline was with the North concourse not being fully built out as part of the initial build. SLC decided last year to fully build out that second concourse, giving 15 additional gates. It also appears the third concourse can be built, it's the fourth that would need the infrastructure moves. The link was very helpful.

I forget, is there a train in the tunnel between concourses?


Do you have a source stating SLC will build out the remaining 15 gates on the satellite?


Here's this from the airport's website, seems like it's now part of the plan:

Image

https://slcairport.com/thenewslc/renderings-and-images/

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:47 pm
by Fargo
ADM94 wrote:
Fargo wrote:
toltommy wrote:

According to the link provided that five year timeline was with the North concourse not being fully built out as part of the initial build. SLC decided last year to fully build out that second concourse, giving 15 additional gates. It also appears the third concourse can be built, it's the fourth that would need the infrastructure moves. The link was very helpful.

I forget, is there a train in the tunnel between concourses?


Do you have a source stating SLC will build out the remaining 15 gates on the satellite?


Here's this from the airport's website, seems like it's part of the plan:

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https://slcairport.com/thenewslc/renderings-and-images/


Yes, the plan allows for the satellite to be expanded to the east, but nowhere does it indicate the scope of the current plans has been expanded to include it. I would imagine it won't be long before it is needed though, so perhaps in the latter half of the 2020's it will be built.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:14 am
by N649DL
Fargo wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
I would be surpriaed to see SLC grow like DEN. I was just there and it was a small city. Yes, it is growing and isolated, but compared to Denver it felt small. SLC seems to have great service for a city of its size. Maybe a few more frequencies would be nice, especially to the East.


The SLC CSA is over 2.6 million and growing, not huge, but not small potatoes either.

To clarify, I am not saying DL at SLC matches UA at DEN, as UA is over 500 flights and growing. However, I don't see why getting it to around 400 with more regional destination adds isn't feasible.


IDK, to me that's quite small for the amount of service DL serves from the hub. I used to live in DEN and I thought that was small as it's the #19 largest metro in the US and SLC is #47.

Re: Will DL bulk up SLC to be more like UA at DEN?

Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:18 am
by ADM94
Fargo wrote:
ADM94 wrote:
Fargo wrote:

Do you have a source stating SLC will build out the remaining 15 gates on the satellite?


Here's this from the airport's website, seems like it's part of the plan:

Image

https://slcairport.com/thenewslc/renderings-and-images/


Yes, the plan allows for the satellite to be expanded to the east, but nowhere does it indicate the scope of the current plans has been expanded to include it. I would imagine it won't be long before it is needed though, so perhaps in the latter half of the 2020's it will be built.


Yeah, I sort of thought "future expansion" implies that it's going to happen (as opposed to "potential expansion", I guess?), but that may be a bad assumption on my part. It does seem like a given, though, there's plenty of demand for gate space and it appears to be a fairly simple extension of the concourse.