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Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:33 pm

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... te-458674/

Alaska Airlines plans to add a new route from Paine Field, adjusting its network at the Seattle-area airport less than a year after beginning service.

The Seattle-based carrier will announce a new route later this week with service beginning in November, Alaska network planning Noelle Fredrickson tells FlightGlobal on the sidelines at the Airports Council International-North America's JumpStart conference in Nashville today.

"We've got some adjustments coming to Paine Field later this week, stay tuned," she told conference attendees.



This is quite interesting, anyone have any insight? Seems quite earlier to be making changes, but maybe that is a good sign!
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:43 pm

My guess is that some of the routes are not working out for AS...maybe there will be new mainline service. It appears AS is replacing a LAX flight with a PHX flight. Or UA is reducing their flights at PAE already.
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:45 pm

I think HNL would work.
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:48 pm

Actually the airport has only been in service for about 3 months. This is great. I recently used the airport and it was awesome.

AS is already adding one flight at PHX and reducing one from LAX.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:08 pm

Knowing by now what's working and what isn't. My guess for the new destination would be GEG.
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:20 pm

I'm really surprised DL hasn't started service to SLC or even MSP... They have to have FFers north of Seattle that would love to fly out of PAE right?
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:30 pm

DBCoop3r wrote:
I'm really surprised DL hasn't started service to SLC or even MSP... They have to have FFers north of Seattle that would love to fly out of PAE right?


The airport is capped at 24 flights per day. Initially Alaska had 13, Southwest 5 and United 6. Southwest decided not to serve Paine Field and sold their slots to Alaska so there are no slots left for Delta.
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:54 am

The 2 routes offering the greatest capacity from PAE are PDX and LAX (4 daily flights each.) One LA flight is already to be moved to PHX in the fall.

My thought is that perhaps they'll pull one from PDX and use it for another (new) route. If LAX has been doing well with their 4 flights, then upgrading to mainline on the 3 remaining flights is a sensible solution. And of course they could always upgrade PDX if necessary. Several routes have double-daily service so obviously if mainline upgrades are on the table, they could reduce one of those routes to a single daily (mainline) flight.

I'm just not sure if AS is ready to attempt mainline service at PAE yet. That would affect congestion at the small terminal big time (affecting UA as well as AS) so I think of that as iffy.

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Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:13 am

Is it possible that UA is reducing frequencies and AS is picking up a few more?
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:28 am

In a strange sort of way, I kind of wish AS does an early morning departure/late night arrival between SEA and PAE for better connectivity. But I'm pretty sure it won't happen...not cost effective.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:48 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
In a strange sort of way, I kind of wish AS does an early morning departure/late night arrival between SEA and PAE for better connectivity. But I'm pretty sure it won't happen...not cost effective.

Honestly I would just fly back and forth on that all day
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:50 am

PAEGEG would be great. What about PAEPSP? (Is that already served?)
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:02 am

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PAEGEG would be great. What about PAEPSP? (Is that already served?)


Not currently served, but that seems like a good bet if it's not GEG.
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:08 am

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there are no slots left for Delta.


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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:38 am

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PlanesNTrains wrote:
PAEGEG would be great. What about PAEPSP? (Is that already served?)


Not currently served, but that seems like a good bet if it's not GEG.


I’m just thinking that with frequencies at PAE not as competitive as those at SEA, the biz routes like LAX might not be earning the revenue premium (pergaps cannibalizing higher yielding SEA passengers) so the more leisure destinations might ultimately perform better overall.
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:40 am

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Knowing by now what's working and what isn't. My guess for the new destination would be GEG.


I was surprised when GEG wasn't chosen in the first place, but I realized for a destination like GEG to be profitable, AAG would need at least 3 x daily r/t, that would significantly diminish a few cities, if not eliminate an entire destination from PAE given they are capped for arrivals & departures. I think whomever guessed PSP may be on to something, there sure are quite a few snowbirds that have second homes there. The article does not mention if it's a seasonal or year round add, AS certyainly sees merit in less than daily markets for vacation destionations, so maybe a 738 to HNL/OGG may happen too, for the winter.
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:45 am

I would try SMF before GEG.
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:24 am

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In a strange sort of way, I kind of wish AS does an early morning departure/late night arrival between SEA and PAE for better connectivity. But I'm pretty sure it won't happen...not cost effective.

Why just go connect in Portland!
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:30 am

I know AS isn’t WN, but maybe the new destination will be weekend only, thereby not affecting weekday frequencies?
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:38 am

PAE-SMF sounds right.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:04 am

32andBelow wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
In a strange sort of way, I kind of wish AS does an early morning departure/late night arrival between SEA and PAE for better connectivity. But I'm pretty sure it won't happen...not cost effective.

Why just go connect in Portland!


Because SEA offers far more connection opportunities. I'm sure there are plenty of folks that connect at PDX.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:07 am

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PAE-SMF sounds right.


That’s my guess too. PAE-OAK is my next guess.

I don’t see PAE-GEG being that big of a market, but I could be wrong.

Something like PAE-OGG could be a dark-horse if they are able to start mainline there.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:25 am

DL has had no interest in PAE. Right or wrong believed PAE would merely come at expense of SEA route performance.

DBCoop3r wrote:
I'm really surprised DL hasn't started service to SLC or even MSP... They have to have FFers north of Seattle that would love to fly out of PAE right?
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:38 am

PDX isn’t working at 4x day on E75. Outside of prime biz travel times, loads are weak. Maybe they throw the Q on it as well. ,

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The 2 routes offering the greatest capacity from PAE are PDX and LAX (4 daily flights each.) One LA flight is already to be moved to PHX in the fall.

My thought is that perhaps they'll pull one from PDX and use it for another (new) route. If LAX has been doing well with their 4 flights, then upgrading to mainline on the 3 remaining flights is a sensible solution. And of course they could always upgrade PDX if necessary. Several routes have double-daily service so obviously if mainline upgrades are on the table, they could reduce one of those routes to a single daily (mainline) flight.

I'm just not sure if AS is ready to attempt mainline service at PAE yet. That would affect congestion at the small terminal big time (affecting UA as well as AS) so I think of that as iffy.

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I’d guess 1xDAL or 1xORD (Boeing Express)
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:19 am

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I’d guess 1xDAL or 1xORD (Boeing Express)


Right, because an airplane full of Boeing employees travel everyday between the Everett sites and Chicago HQ. :)

I would more see UA starting PAE-ORD.
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:45 am

If AS follows their tradition, I would expect the announcement/updates regarding PAE to be: 1st choice) Wednesday morning, or 2nd choice) Thursday morning.

The fact that this new PAE route is supposed to begin flying in November, it might be logical to think of a warm, sunny winter destination -- such as PSP or maybe even TUS -- rather than a more business-oriented or northern (read: colder in the winter) city such as SMF, GEG or BOI. (Unless they go for a ski destination such as HDN, which I doubt.)

As I mentioned above, I just don't know if AS is ready to do mainline yet so I would be quite surprised to see a flight to the Islands or Mexico.

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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:16 pm

n7371f wrote:
DL has had no interest in PAE. Right or wrong believed PAE would merely come at expense of SEA route performance.

DBCoop3r wrote:
I'm really surprised DL hasn't started service to SLC or even MSP... They have to have FFers north of Seattle that would love to fly out of PAE right?


That's probably a reason why WN decided against PAE.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:20 pm

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UPS757Pilot wrote:
PAE-SMF sounds right.


That’s my guess too. PAE-OAK is my next guess.

I don’t see PAE-GEG being that big of a market, but I could be wrong.

Something like PAE-OGG could be a dark-horse if they are able to start mainline there.


AS doesn't really have any interest in OAK. Loads between SEA and OAK are pretty weak during the off-peak periods at times. Some people mentioned PSP (and maybe TUS), which I think is actually a pretty good bet. Lots of people up here like to go to the warmer desert during the rainy months here.

Lastly, it's not a matter of if they can start mainline. It's more like when loads are good enough to warrant mainline. AS (and UA) already have the authority to fly mainline to PAE.

It will be interesting to see what's announced. It could very surprising or it could be "yeah...it was expected."
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:07 pm

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gunsontheroof wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
PAEGEG would be great. What about PAEPSP? (Is that already served?)


Not currently served, but that seems like a good bet if it's not GEG.


I’m just thinking that with frequencies at PAE not as competitive as those at SEA, the biz routes like LAX might not be earning the revenue premium (pergaps cannibalizing higher yielding SEA passengers) so the more leisure destinations might ultimately perform better overall.


This might be some of it, PAE is getting lower yielding traffic. Fares to/through PAE tend to be lower right now but then that makes sense for newer service. And AS is selling connecting options through PAE to/from PDX...kind of interesting. But wasn't one of the reasons for PAE service to relieve congestion at SEA? That works for AS with a lot of O&D from the Puget Sound area but not for DL that is more of a hub in SEA.
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:16 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
UPS757Pilot wrote:
PAE-SMF sounds right.


That’s my guess too. PAE-OAK is my next guess.

I don’t see PAE-GEG being that big of a market, but I could be wrong.

Something like PAE-OGG could be a dark-horse if they are able to start mainline there.


AS doesn't really have any interest in OAK. Loads between SEA and OAK are pretty weak during the off-peak periods at times. Some people mentioned PSP (and maybe TUS), which I think is actually a pretty good bet. Lots of people up here like to go to the warmer desert during the rainy months here.

Lastly, it's not a matter of if they can start mainline. It's more like when loads are good enough to warrant mainline. AS (and UA) already have the authority to fly mainline to PAE.

It will be interesting to see what's announced. It could very surprising or it could be "yeah...it was expected."


They've to date had no interest in OAK, but that could (I would suspect will) change at some point. It's the most obvious outlier in their California strategy. They're spending a lot on marketing in the Bay Area and then entirely declining to try to leverage it at one of the three major airports. That probably won't change soon, but it could.
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:23 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
DL has had no interest in PAE. Right or wrong believed PAE would merely come at expense of SEA route performance.

DBCoop3r wrote:
I'm really surprised DL hasn't started service to SLC or even MSP... They have to have FFers north of Seattle that would love to fly out of PAE right?


That's probably a reason why WN decided against PAE.


Right. The SEA area is not that important in their route strategy. It is for AS.

A lot of people, including myself, are really sold on this PAE service. I know people as far south as the Greenwood area of Seattle who have chosen to fly out of PAE instead of SEA, when able. Compared to the joke that SEA can be to even get in and out of, PAE is incredibly easy and convenient. I think it will do well. I just hope the fares don’t start getting higher than SEA.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:28 pm

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And AS is selling connecting options through PAE to/from PDX...kind of interesting.


I wouldn’t read too much into that. When fares are built a bunch of non-hub airports may be added as allowable connections in a fare. Alaska allows connections in STS for most fares, for example. I don’t know if Alaska does this more than other carriers, but it seems like it.
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:31 pm

LAXBUR wrote:
cschleic wrote:
And AS is selling connecting options through PAE to/from PDX...kind of interesting.


I wouldn’t read too much into that. When fares are built a bunch of non-hub airports may be added as allowable connections in a fare. Alaska allows connections in STS for most fares, for example. I don’t know if Alaska does this more than other carriers, but it seems like it.


AS's pricing system is a bid-price system, so they don't really care how the passenger is routed since they'll still get the yield they're looking for on each segment. The big 3, in contrast, use an OD driven pricing system, so "fencing" the permissible routings is very important to protect yield.
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:32 pm

gunsontheroof wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
PAEGEG would be great. What about PAEPSP? (Is that already served?)


Not currently served, but that seems like a good bet if it's not GEG.

Anchorage?
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:56 pm

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LAXBUR wrote:
cschleic wrote:
And AS is selling connecting options through PAE to/from PDX...kind of interesting.


I wouldn’t read too much into that. When fares are built a bunch of non-hub airports may be added as allowable connections in a fare. Alaska allows connections in STS for most fares, for example. I don’t know if Alaska does this more than other carriers, but it seems like it.


AS's pricing system is a bid-price system, so they don't really care how the passenger is routed since they'll still get the yield they're looking for on each segment. The big 3, in contrast, use an OD driven pricing system, so "fencing" the permissible routings is very important to protect yield.


Interesting details, thanks. Makes sense that most carriers would want to protect certain routes so leisure fare connecting traffic doesn't use a typically higher margin seat on one of the flights in the routing. But it must work for AS.

Big picture, the PAE service is a great idea and time will tell which routes / times work and which don't. Adding mainline certainly would pack the terminal at a peak time. Is UA limited to the ground-loading gate?
 
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:34 pm

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gunsontheroof wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
PAEGEG would be great. What about PAEPSP? (Is that already served?)


Not currently served, but that seems like a good bet if it's not GEG.

Anchorage?


I’d see that more as summer seasonal, but you never know.
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Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:37 pm

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LAXBUR wrote:
cschleic wrote:
And AS is selling connecting options through PAE to/from PDX...kind of interesting.


I wouldn’t read too much into that. When fares are built a bunch of non-hub airports may be added as allowable connections in a fare. Alaska allows connections in STS for most fares, for example. I don’t know if Alaska does this more than other carriers, but it seems like it.


AS's pricing system is a bid-price system, so they don't really care how the passenger is routed since they'll still get the yield they're looking for on each segment. The big 3, in contrast, use an OD driven pricing system, so "fencing" the permissible routings is very important to protect yield.


This is off-topic from this thread, but I’d like to better understand what bid-price and OD driven mean.

I have seen exactly what you refer to on AA.com. Say I’m investigating a possible trip, so looking at different days and routings. I’ve seen times where it simply will not show the best routing. For example, I want to fly EZE-SEA on a given day. My preferred routing is EZE-DFW-SEA. There are flights that would connect well, but AA.com won’t show it. It will show routings through MIA or JFK and stuff like EZE-DFW-PHX-SEA. Or maybe will show one stop through DFW but it’s a much later connecting flight with an all day layover, not the best connection.

What you describe seems to explain this.
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:04 am

Good job SANFan!! It’s now bookable on alaskaair.com as well as the app... PAE-PSP!!

Schedule:

Departs PAE @12:20pm
Arrives PSP @3pm

Departs PSP @4pm
Arrives PAE @6:25pm

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Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:10 am

USAavdork wrote:
Good job SANFan!! It’s now bookable on alaskaair.com as well as the app... PAE-PSP!!

Schedule:

Departs PAE @12:20pm
Arrives PSP @3pm

Departs PSP @4pm
Arrives PAE @6:25pm

Operated with a QX E175


Nice work. So what frequency is reduced to another destination?
 
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Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:20 am

Right now there is nothing reduced... but what’s odd is the 2nd PAE-PHX hasn’t showed up nor has LAX reducing to 3x. I’m thinking they’re still working on it but here’s a few possibilities:

1) SNA gets cut seasonally (I always thought this was the oddball

2) LAS gets reduced to 1x seasonally (it gets cold in
winter)

3) United gives up 1 slot to AS!
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:36 am

Yes, I just took a quick look at the Nov. 5 skeds and except for the PAE-PSP flight being added, no other changes have been made yet (to any system skeds.)

In order to make an educated guess as to what is being eliminated to allow PAE-PSP to start, I looked at flights that now exist departing PAE around noon. Ironically, the current PHX flight is a noon departure and there's a LAX flight about 11:30am. (This was based on the assumption that AS might want to leave the PAE skeds alone for the most part and simply substitute PSP for an existing flight.) That doesn't seem to be the solution so I'm thinking either there will be an upgrade or 2 to AS mainline or else there could be a complete makeover of the PAE skeds as we know them.

My guess is this will be resolved strictly by AS; I cant see any reason UA would surrender what they have now.

Yes, the issue at SNA is that the single PAE flight uses a valuable slot so if the flight is not performing very well, they may want to add a different flight out of John Wayne and use the PAE flight for something else, such as PSP!

Thanks for the recognition guys but I wasn't the only -- or even the first one -- to suggest PSP as the new route. But I did try to rationalize it...

We'll see what the actual announcement from AS discusses. I'll be waiting to see it tomorrow or Thursday. (And hey, it's nice to see something coming from AAG's Network Planning for a change!)

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Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:41 am

USAavdork wrote:
Right now there is nothing reduced... but what’s odd is the 2nd PAE-PHX hasn’t showed up nor has LAX reducing to 3x. I’m thinking they’re still working on it but here’s a few possibilities:

1) SNA gets cut seasonally (I always thought this was the oddball

2) LAS gets reduced to 1x seasonally (it gets cold in
winter)

3) United gives up 1 slot to AS!


Actually the reduction to LAX 3x does show for October, but not yet November. I looked because it could potentially affect a certain itinerary I have booked.

SNA isn’t the oddball. Just seems like the times aren’t great for it.
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:56 am

USAavdork wrote:
Good job SANFan!! It’s now bookable on alaskaair.com as well as the app... PAE-PSP!!

Schedule:

Departs PAE @12:20pm
Arrives PSP @3pm

Departs PSP @4pm
Arrives PAE @6:25pm

Operated with a QX E175


Daily year-round service, or seasonal?
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:09 am

USAavdork wrote:
Good job SANFan!! It’s now bookable on alaskaair.com as well as the app... PAE-PSP!!

Schedule:

Departs PAE @12:20pm
Arrives PSP @3pm

Departs PSP @4pm
Arrives PAE @6:25pm

Operated with a QX E175


Thanks for scooping out the schedule, this new route currently is available through their current booking window. While Planes & Trains got it first by my count, SANFan or as I know him B-, deserves something special all his own for the things he does around here.
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:16 am

I apologize Planes and Trains for not giving you credit too! I’ve been going back and forth between this thread and others I forgot you mentioned PSP first.
And RWA380: I agree about SANFan/ B- -!
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:52 am

Alaska could also axe the 9pm PAE-PDX and 7amish PDX-PAE flight without causing uproar. Well it might piss off 2 or 3 passengers.
xx
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:25 am

usxguy wrote:
Alaska could also axe the 9pm PAE-PDX and 7amish PDX-PAE flight without causing uproar. Well it might piss off 2 or 3 passengers.


Are the load factors on those flights low?
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:06 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
My guess is that some of the routes are not working out for AS...maybe there will be new mainline service. It appears AS is replacing a LAX flight with a PHX flight. Or UA is reducing their flights at PAE already.

I have ridden on a number of flights and inside intel indicates routes are doing very well. Honestly thought it would take a bit for routes to catch on. From what I have observed it didn't take long at all. The only issue so far is crew staffing is only a third of what was originally planned. The other two thirds is being staffed out of SEA and PDX and apparently is very inefficient and costly. The company has other options so don't see it as a deal breaker.
 
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Re: Alaska to announce new Paine Field route this week, along with other changes (June 3rd, 2019)

Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:46 pm

USAavdork wrote:
I apologize Planes and Trains for not giving you credit too! I’ve been going back and forth between this thread and others I forgot you mentioned PSP first.
And RWA380: I agree about SANFan/ B- -!


It was a just an educated guess on my part.
-Dave


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